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You, my friend, are at risk. Maybe not now. Maybe not next week. Maybe not even next year. But, you are at risk if you think that way.

Now, have a bunny...

-copro

You're at risk too, regardless of what kind of BS you think you can talk yourself out of. Good luck w/it.

 

[coprolalia]

You're at risk too, regardless of what kind of BS you think you can talk yourself out of. Good luck w/it.

Yeah, I know. That's why I adopt the stance I do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant, a fool, or both.

-copro

 

[KNC]

I have had surgery a number of times for various reason.... I can tell you with all honesty, I really did not like the way the drugs made me feel.... I dont even like the way alcohol makes me feel...especially when I over do it.....I guess, looking back on things, I don't like feeling out of control of my own body or the thought processes that go along with it.....

The last time I had surgery, the anesthesiologist said that I was a light weight...maybe that has something to do with it...I'd just rather go to sleep...😴

 

[OB1🤙]

 

[dfk]

👍

 

[huktonfonix]

Dude, theyve gotta give you more call over there. You have way too much free time. I'll make some calls to the chiefs to adjust your schedule.

 

[OB1🤙]

Hey man, I'm on vacation. 😀

 

[GuP]

Hahahahahahahahhah

 

[bne_12mne]

Yeah, I know. That's why I adopt the stance I do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant, a fool, or both.

-copro

You probably don'tcare what I think, as I have no real credibility in this arena. I'm just a CA-2 and don't have very many publications. I'm also not very articulate, so don't expect too much.

Anyway, with that disclaimer, my general opinion is that your conclusions on this issue are wrong. Of course they are also safe...meaning that your advice to others is certainly better than telling people to "go be curious." So it's sort of a high-road tact that works well for you on this issue. But I will tell you that as the word is generally defined, if someone were to survey me, I would generally say that yes I am curious too. But in an extremely fleeting kind of way. Like when I hear the stories of other people and their abuse, I'm curious as to what sort of dosing they got into and all that. It's like a morbid curiousity. But it is also fleeting and no more consuming than wondering what evolutionary advantage is achieved by dogs who eat sh&t.

Anyway, as I read your opinion, you would be "worried about me" and that I'm "either a fool or ignorant or both." That's all fine, you can have your opinion. But I don't share it. I'm average. I don't have any particular high or low risk compared to the CA-2 next to me. Anyway that's just me. I don't know how to risk stratify people on this issue. I don't subscribe to Minority Report type thinking. I believe in free will.

I can't really speak for others, but I wonder if this is sort of what they meant when they were talking about their curiousities...

Thanks for your posts, always interesting to read...

BNE

 

[radslooking]

I'm curious as to what sort of dosing they got into and all that. It's like a morbid curiousity. But it is also fleeting and no more consuming than wondering what evolutionary advantage is achieved by dogs who eat sh&t.


BNE

dude, that was quality. thanks for that.

 

[coprolalia]

I believe in free will.

Without digressing too far, I will tell you that "free will" is an illusion. You are controlled more by your paleocortex than you realize, and you are simply a product of the summation of your experiences as well as your inherent programming garnered from your parents genetic make-up.

Thinking something and acting on something are clearly two different things. For those of us with a personal genetic and experiential disposition, within the expected realm of our collective human phylogeny born out of observing the human species often difficult to explain habits, more prone to those self-destructive behaviors deeply rooted in our reflexive lizard brain, you have to instead rely on a well-developed pre-frontal cortex to exert control.

-copro

 

[bne_12mne]

You are controlled more by your paleocortex than you realize, and you are simply a product of the summation of your experiences as well as your inherent programming garnered from your parents genetic make-up.

-copro

I'm not saying you're wrong. But since these things are not predictable, it's impossible to distinguish them from free will. Clearly our experiences influences our judgements and decisions/choices. This has been demonstrated in studies of people supposedly being sent off to a "Good Samaritan Seminar." Some were told they were late, some early, and randomly people were presented with someone in distress on the way to the conference. Whether they were late or early significantly impacted their willingness to help the fallen. Simple example but proves your point. Doesn't mean they didn't exert free will in whether to help or not...it couldn't be predicted in any statistically significant manner I don't think. Also not random.

But your point is interesting. Most people trust their beloved pets not to bite them or randomly turn on their kids etc. But in some cases this trust is misplaced. The primitive wolf in the domesticated dog.

Anyway, curiosity and urges are different in my mind. I'm curious about what **** tastes like but have no urges there.

I've often wondered what the outcome of the following 4-arm study might be:

Group 1 -- Anesthesia residents with strictly restricted access to narcotics, but no discussion or teaching about the dangers of addiction.

Group 2 -- Anesthesia residents with fairly loose access to narcotics, but lots of discussion about the dangers of addiction. Discussion of doses used, scenarios, why people did it, the high they felt, how the drugs were procured, warning signs in others...IOW full disclosure. Keeps the issue in the forefront of the mind.

Group 3 -- Restricted access like 1, and discussion like 2

Group 4 -- Loose access like 2 and absence of discussion like 1.

Which group would have the highest rate of abuse?

My gut tells me that Group 2 would have higher rate of abuse than 4. Bad commercials also attract customers. Remember "Head On"

Maybe by talking about it a lot, we make the thought of self-use of narcotics "pop" in to people's primitive brains more than it ordinarily would.

BNE

 

[coprolalia]

I'm curious about what **** tastes like but have no urges there.

Ohh... dude... That's just TMI.

And, for the record, I've never been curious about that. Disgusting.

-copro

 

[bne_12mne]

Ohh... dude... That's just TMI.

And, for the record, I've never been curious about that. Disgusting.

-copro

But aren't you curious why it is disgusting? Seriously...it's 50% bacteria that already lives inside of us, and we'd simply be giving that a roundtrip ticket home. The other part is the undigested portion of what we just ate...so what's the big deal...it was appetizing just a little while ago. Is it the lizard part of your brain or the human part that makes you think it's disgusting? Dogs apparently think it smells/tastes good... Which part of your brain is making the judgement about ****'s gustatory properties? Does admitting that you think the prospect is disgusting reveal that you have considered what it must be like, (ie curiosity)? You seem to also know what your likely response would be too tasting it...you would barf. So you've considered eating ****? If we keep talking about it, might you become even more curious about eating **** tomorrow? I imagine that to this point in life when you see some **** on the sidewalk you have never had to consciously decide not to eat it. But perhaps next time you see some **** on the sidewalk you will remember that we discussed it and you will think..."I'm not going to eat that." You will be relying on your free will to stop you, because the suggestion will have been there...thanks to me and our little conversation.

An absurd line of thinking, I agree. I can only thank you for indulging in it. I'm not really sure what my point is other than to suggest to you that I don't think curiosity is the answer.

Personally I could keep thinking about **** and wonder how much I could eat before I would feel sick and things of this nature all day, but it doesn't put me any closer to actually eating it. Same with fentanyl. I can be curious, think about it consciously and still not do it. Eventually I grow bored with myself and move on.

Is it just me?



BNE

 

[dhb]

But aren't you curious why it is disgusting? Seriously...it's 50% bacteria that already lives inside of us, and we'd simply be giving that a roundtrip ticket home. The other part is the undigested portion of what we just ate...so what's the big deal...it was appetizing just a little while ago. Is it the lizard part of your brain or the human part that makes you think it's disgusting? Dogs apparently think it smells/tastes good... Which part of your brain is making the judgement about ****'s gustatory properties? Does admitting that you think the prospect is disgusting reveal that you have considered what it must be like, (ie curiosity)? You seem to also know what your likely response would be too tasting it...you would barf. So you've considered eating ****? If we keep talking about it, might you become even more curious about eating **** tomorrow? I imagine that to this point in life when you see some **** on the sidewalk you have never had to consciously decide not to eat it. But perhaps next time you see some **** on the sidewalk you will remember that we discussed it and you will think..."I'm not going to eat that." You will be relying on your free will to stop you, because the suggestion will have been there...thanks to me and our little conversation.

😆 😆

 

[Gern Blansten]

But it is also fleeting and no more consuming than wondering what evolutionary advantage is achieved by dogs who eat sh&t.

Whoa! That is post of the day material. Well played my friend.

 

[Gern Blansten]

I've often wondered what the outcome of the following 4-arm study might be:

Group 1 -- Anesthesia residents with strictly restricted access to narcotics, but no discussion or teaching about the dangers of addiction.

Group 2 -- Anesthesia residents with fairly loose access to narcotics, but lots of discussion about the dangers of addiction. Discussion of doses used, scenarios, why people did it, the high they felt, how the drugs were procured, warning signs in others...IOW full disclosure. Keeps the issue in the forefront of the mind.

Group 3 -- Restricted access like 1, and discussion like 2

Group 4 -- Loose access like 2 and absence of discussion like 1.

Which group would have the highest rate of abuse?

I believe that experiment has already been done at the Tuskeegee Institute Department of Anesthesiology.

 

[coprolalia]

But aren't you curious why it is disgusting?

Dude, just stop. Please. Stop. **** smells bad for a reason: not to eat it. Same reason why garbage smells bad: not to eat it. Or, a lanced abscess full of necrotic pus: not to eat it.

I don't know why dogs eat ****. I don't really care. Probably has something to do with B12 deficiency, though.

Point is, if you know something is bad, why wonder about engaging in that activity, short of satisfying some fecophiliac urge.

Is it just me?

Yes!

-copro

 

[Trisomy13]

But aren't you curious why it is disgusting? Seriously...it's 50% bacteria that already lives inside of us, and we'd simply be giving that a roundtrip ticket home. The other part is the undigested portion of what we just ate...so what's the big deal...it was appetizing just a little while ago. Is it the lizard part of your brain or the human part that makes you think it's disgusting? Dogs apparently think it smells/tastes good... Which part of your brain is making the judgement about ****'s gustatory properties? Does admitting that you think the prospect is disgusting reveal that you have considered what it must be like, (ie curiosity)? You seem to also know what your likely response would be too tasting it...you would barf. So you've considered eating ****? If we keep talking about it, might you become even more curious about eating **** tomorrow? I imagine that to this point in life when you see some **** on the sidewalk you have never had to consciously decide not to eat it. But perhaps next time you see some **** on the sidewalk you will remember that we discussed it and you will think..."I'm not going to eat that." You will be relying on your free will to stop you, because the suggestion will have been there...thanks to me and our little conversation.

An absurd line of thinking, I agree. I can only thank you for indulging in it. I'm not really sure what my point is other than to suggest to you that I don't think curiosity is the answer.

Personally I could keep thinking about **** and wonder how much I could eat before I would feel sick and things of this nature all day, but it doesn't put me any closer to actually eating it. Same with fentanyl. I can be curious, think about it consciously and still not do it. Eventually I grow bored with myself and move on.

Is it just me?



BNE

great post. seriously. don't heed the minds incapable of thinking outside the societal norms constructed and ingrained since birth, i.e. don't be afraid to THINK. It separates us from the lower order vertebrates, and orthopods.

 

[radslooking]

great post. seriously. don't heed the minds incapable of thinking outside the societal norms constructed and ingrained since birth, i.e. don't be afraid to THINK. It separates us from the lower order vertebrates, and orthopods.

ah yes. the class orthopodia. very primitive indeed.

 

[periopdoc]

Or, a lanced abscess full of necrotic pus:

-copro

Yummm, lanced abscess full of necrotic puss. I find it best when served on linguine. Looks just like the clam sauce they serve at the hospital cafeteria but tastes better.

-pod

 

[kraphtymac]

UMMMMMMM, PLANK,

Are you ever curious what it'd be like to do something really risky?

I dunno, pick one....

1) Go over Niagra falls in a barrel

2)Jump out of an airplane without a chute and see if you can grab your buddy who has a chute before you become a lawn dart.

3)Surf PIPELINE even though you arent a really experienced surfer

4)Bring the front tire of a RICEBURNER off the pavement at 80mph

5)Try and swim the shark infested waters at night from Anna Maria, Florida, to Bird Key (a little island between Anna Maria and Egmont Key)...uhhhh, dude did it when I was a kid. They found half of him.

6)Jump off a bridge with a bungee cord attached to your ankle

Jet. Thanks for the list.

I've been looking for something to do on my upcoming week off, and all I could come up with so far was sit on my couch and huff model car glue.

 

[coprolalia]

Yummm, lanced abscess full of necrotic puss. I find it best when served on linguine. Looks just like the clam sauce they serve at the hospital cafeteria but tastes better.

-pod

Hmmm... the ones I've seen look more like gray cottage cheese and smell, quite simply, like death.

-copro