DS with a family... Is it possible?

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Does anyone have any advice on how to get through ds with a family? My son is 1 now. I'm planning on applying June 2010 and if I get in 1st time applying he'll be 3 when I start ds. Plus we'd like to have another in a couple of years.
I'm lucky that i have a very supportive hubby that shares all duties so it isn't like I'll be expected to do everything at home but still... Am I nuts???
 
When I went to my interview at Howard, just about every student I talked to had a family, and they were saying that while it is hard and requires lots of dedication and focusing of time, it is doable, and is an incredible investment for the future. They were saying that the hardest part of spending so much time away from your spouse, and then once you get home you need to study or sleep, and that you need to make the most of your free time when you do get it.

Good luck!
 
It is possible! I don't have kids but even If I had kids I would still work towards getting a medical degree. I don't know what your financial situation is like but think about the time when you'll be done from school and will be earning decent salary. Most important thing, you'll have enough to pay for your kids' education and life will be great.

I just don't want my kids to struggle as hard as I did to survive. That's what keeps me going.
So you are not nuts! You're one smart mom.
 
thanks!!
providing for my family, and ensuring my kids don't have to struggle is one of the many many reasons i'm am returning to school (got my ba in 1999). i've spent the last x years trying to make it in more 'artistic' fields and got tired of working over 40 hrs a week, making 13 bucks an hour and not having nearly enough for food, let alone putting away for nugget's college fund. plus i hated knowing that i wasn't doing anything to better the world. so what if i'm i know how to use photoshop? fixing a photo or editing video doesn't really have any long-term benefit, you know?

i just got a little scared reading everyone else's reports of D2 etc. i know i'm not the first person to go through ds with kids but... eek. :xf:
 
ask dmdstudent.com
 
I was in the exact same boat, I was a web designer when my daughter was born. I came to realize that my work was so senseless, unimportant and rediculous that I couldn't take it another minute so I quit and went back to school.

I'll be in DS with a 5 year old daughter at home, my wife is very supporitve.
 
I know! I was expected to care about useless things and survive off the paltry paycheck. Yes, I'm making even less while in school but that will end and then we'll be ok.
Congrats on getting in NYU! I was pondering about applying there but rent! daycare! How are you going to do it?? My husband is an accountant so there would be plenty of jobs for him, but ... daycare!!!
 
I'm lucky that I'm past daycare, so she will be starting kindergarden which saves me a bunch of money. My wife will work pt, she is a pre-dent too.

As for the rent and expenses. I'm looking at living in Queens and commuting. The rent in Queens is very resonable and the schools are pretty good (for my daughter), best of all I could actually keep one of my cars.
 
that does help! we would need probably 2 years of daycare before kindergarten. queens sounds like a good plan. maybe i'll present that option! 🙂 would you commute by car or subway?
 
From Astoria or Ridgewood Queens it's a 45 minute trip via subway door to door.
 
70% of current dental students are married and have families, so tell me can it be done
 
That high, really?
my husband and i were talking about it last night and we're of the opinion that:
it will end. it might blow for 4 years but then it'll be over. we can make it through and we'll make sure to have things like date nights and 15 min here and there to touch base etc. And after it is over, we'll laugh at it and we'll appreciate all our free time.
 
Hey - I have to say I think it will be a tough road for your child. No one wants to really say that, and that doesn't mean you shouldn't go for it, but know the reality. My kids are 11 and 14 (boys) and I'll be starting UCLA in the fall, but I'm also a single mom (dad is very involved though). The thing is, when kids are little, they really do need their "mommy", and you probably won't be there that often. 3 years old is a hard time because they are not in school yet, and they need you to entertain them, talk to them, teach them, love them... If your hubby likes to take on that responsibility, it can be done, but your baby will grow up before you know it, and those years are so very precious - they go by fast and then that innocence is over... Once they get into elementary school (you'll graduate and he will be 7) they kind of develop their own friends and don't look to you (as much) for their entire world. I say 3 years old is really hard to be away from a child. I feel guilty about mine - one entering high school and one still in middle school - but at least my input and influence on them isn't quite as critical as when they were 3 years old. I hope to just be able to help them with homework in the evenings.

I'm so sorry to tell you this, I'm just trying to be honest, and looking back at the growth of my kids, and putting myself in your shoes, I think it will be tough on your child - especially if you want another one. BUT - depending on the daddy - how involved he is and how much free time he has to commit to your child's emotional development, things can be OK. I just think those few years between birth and 5 years old are the most important, formative years to spend with your child. You wouldn't want them to have abandonment issues later in life.

Maybe can you put off your enrollment for another 2 years, or maybe you can't. Just remember, having children is a huge sacrifice, so just consider other possibilities for their benefit. Of course, it may not be feasible for you, but sometimes you may need to sacrifice a bit of your own needs, (temporarily), so that your child gets everything he deserves - just weigh everyone's needs. Note that a lot of people told me the same thing when I wanted to go back to school too, even with older kids. They worried that I wouldn't be able to be an involved parent, but I didn't let that dissuade me and I'm going forward with it anyways - because it feels really right for me.

Good luck and I hope it all works out for you and your family.
 
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thanks for your honesty. and yes, i do think about it a lot.

maybe i'm wrong, but i look at it this way:
whether i'm at work or at school, i'm going to be gone from 8-5 at least (plus commute time) and my son will be in daycare. mornings will always be a rush of showers and getting ready and evenings will always be dinner->bath->bed. he goes to bed by 8 and as far as i'm concerned should continue to do so for a number of years. his father is very involved and loves to play/cuddle/read/teach/spend time with him. (he also does laundry and cleans and makes my lunches etc. we both make dinner.) so if i can make time for dinner/bedtime a couple of times during the week and on the weekend, i can always study after he goes to bed. and maybe a 2 or 3 nights a week i might miss bedtime, but i don't think that will constitute abandoment.

as far as putting it off for a couple of years: i'm 31 now. i'll be 33 when i start dental school and 37 when i'm done. i think i'd like to get this started. and the older he gets, the more time he's going to require. soccer games or piano or friends or whatever... it isn't going to decrease. i know these first few years are a big deal, but at least he won't remember it as well as the older years (eg 5-9).

i want this, and i know our family can handle it. i just also know that others have done it and i can learn from their mistakes and successes.

good luck to you and i know your kids will be ok too!
 
It seems like you really have thought this through, and that's all I was trying to say. Good for you! I'm sure it will all work out, just keep your eyes open for those challenges. Take good care!
 
thanks and best of luck to you too! we'll have moments when we question or need a hug or whatever. but after 4 years we'll be able to provide a much better life for our little nuggets!

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thanks for your honesty. and yes, i do think about it a lot.

maybe i'm wrong, but i look at it this way:
whether i'm at work or at school, i'm going to be gone from 8-5 at least (plus commute time) and my son will be in daycare. mornings will always be a rush of showers and getting ready and evenings will always be dinner->bath->bed. he goes to bed by 8 and as far as i'm concerned should continue to do so for a number of years. his father is very involved and loves to play/cuddle/read/teach/spend time with him. (he also does laundry and cleans and makes my lunches etc. we both make dinner.) so if i can make time for dinner/bedtime a couple of times during the week and on the weekend, i can always study after he goes to bed. and maybe a 2 or 3 nights a week i might miss bedtime, but i don't think that will constitute abandoment.

as far as putting it off for a couple of years: i'm 31 now. i'll be 33 when i start dental school and 37 when i'm done. i think i'd like to get this started. and the older he gets, the more time he's going to require. soccer games or piano or friends or whatever... it isn't going to decrease. i know these first few years are a big deal, but at least he won't remember it as well as the older years (eg 5-9).

i want this, and i know our family can handle it. i just also know that others have done it and i can learn from their mistakes and successes.

good luck to you and i know your kids will be ok too!

This is pretty much my sentiment as well! With little ones, early bed times are unavoidable. And unless you are a stay at home Mom, you are pretty much guaranteed to miss that day-time interaction as well.

Dentalmama makes good points, but it just doesn't apply really.

Good luck to you 30! You're going to rock!
 
thanks! do you have little ones too?
the amount i rock remains to be seen (either 100% or 99% ha ha!!!:laugh::laugh:) but i will definitely do my best. i'm sure dentalmama is doing her best too. it is a difficult situation all around. i'm glad i didn't go straight from h.s. to bs to ds because i wasn't ready and i wouldn't have been a good dr. i got my bs when i was supposed to but had no idea what else to do with myself. now i'm ready and i have a couple of other obstacles to work around, but all in all, i'm better for it and my patients will get better care too.
 
thanks for your honesty. and yes, i do think about it a lot.

maybe i'm wrong, but i look at it this way:
whether i'm at work or at school, i'm going to be gone from 8-5 at least (plus commute time) and my son will be in daycare. mornings will always be a rush of showers and getting ready and evenings will always be dinner->bath->bed. he goes to bed by 8 and as far as i'm concerned should continue to do so for a number of years. his father is very involved and loves to play/cuddle/read/teach/spend time with him. (he also does laundry and cleans and makes my lunches etc. we both make dinner.) so if i can make time for dinner/bedtime a couple of times during the week and on the weekend, i can always study after he goes to bed. and maybe a 2 or 3 nights a week i might miss bedtime, but i don't think that will constitute abandoment.

as far as putting it off for a couple of years: i'm 31 now. i'll be 33 when i start dental school and 37 when i'm done. i think i'd like to get this started. and the older he gets, the more time he's going to require. soccer games or piano or friends or whatever... it isn't going to decrease. i know these first few years are a big deal, but at least he won't remember it as well as the older years (eg 5-9).

i want this, and i know our family can handle it. i just also know that others have done it and i can learn from their mistakes and successes.

good luck to you and i know your kids will be ok too!

We parents have to do what works for our family. I've been dragging applying for ever just waiting for my kids to be a little older. My husband has been working from home for 8 years, so that really helps our situation.

They are now 6 and 9, and I'm finally applying this summer!!! I decided to compromise with the age (mine) thing. I just turned 34 and hopefully I will be done by age 40! Wow! It may sound super old to some people here, but it can be done and I'm doing great.

Check out mommd.com for women in medicine--thousands of women in that website are doing it with 1,2,3,4 and even 6 children! And remember that medicine is a lot longer than dental. Those ladies have lots of advise.

Welcome to the club! And no, we are not nuts!
 
There was already a thread by dentalmama about the chalenges of being a mother and a dental student. Here is a link: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=605223

I am in the same boat as you guys, I have the same reservations, but I am not holding back. Honestly, I decided not to stress about it, just do it and take one day at a time. I get asked a lot how I am doing it school and children, and I just tell people that I do not realy seat and think about it, because I will feel sorry for myself. It actually makes the time you spend together as a family more valuable, because both the kids and me appreciate it better and it feels special every time. All I am going to say is that I am much happier now persuing a carrier then I was when was a stay-at-home mother. Good luck to all of you.
 
thanks for the links!

there's always a give and take and a new balance that needs to be created. but as long as we try, it can't be that bad... and just think about the people who spend their spare time in bars! 🙂 we're just drinkin' at home!! hee hee 🙂

our families will be better off when we have careers we're happy with.
 
There was already a thread by dentalmama about the chalenges of being a mother and a dental student. Here is a link: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=605223

I am in the same boat as you guys, I have the same reservations, but I am not holding back. Honestly, I decided not to stress about it, just do it and take one day at a time. I get asked a lot how I am doing it school and children, and I just tell people that I do not realy seat and think about it, because I will feel sorry for myself. It actually makes the time you spend together as a family more valuable, because both the kids and me appreciate it better and it feels special every time. All I am going to say is that I am much happier now persuing a carrier then I was when was a stay-at-home mother. Good luck to all of you.

"I am much happier now pursuing a carrier than when I was a stay-at-home mother."

Same here 100% 👍 not matter how much stress I've added to our lives, the sacrifices, lack of sleep, the quick aging that comes with it, the pains and what not of mountains of stuff to study, no time for anything but the books.....but I'm happier than when I had none of these going on!

The only thing I miss besides tons of time with the kids, is that my hair and nails were gorgeous! LOL!!!!! Oh, and that the house was super-super spotless!

I'm exactly half way from my goal :soexcited:
 
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The only thing I miss besides tons of time with the kids, is that my hair and nails were gorgeous! LOL!!!!! Oh, and that the house was super-super spotless!

I'm exactly half way from my goal :soexcited:

i've never had gorgeous nails (not bad, mind you, but not 'manicured') so i won't miss that. and i don't think any house with a 1 year old is clean so.. yeah... there's that! 🙂

super congrats on half way to your goal!!!
 
Hey I have a family and I am a current second year going into the third soon. I have a hard time studying at home and that has made my boards study difficult but it is great. A family helps to keep me motivated and focused on the job at hand. I have a great wife that is very supportive and that also makes it doable. It is difficult but if you have the desire to do it DS is possible even with a family.
 
Thanks!! I'm sure studying at home will get harder. It isn't that bad now (in fact, i'm supposed to be studying for my chem test tomorrow!!) mainly b/c my son goes to bed so early (normally). but as he gets older i'm sure it will get harder. Does your wife stay at home or does she work outside the home/go to school too? If my husband were a stay-at-home dad, it'd be so much easier! but i'm sure we'll make it work.
thanks for the confidence and good luck on wrapping up your 2nd year!!
 
i've never had gorgeous nails (not bad, mind you, but not 'manicured') so i won't miss that. and i don't think any house with a 1 year old is clean so.. yeah... there's that! 🙂

super congrats on half way to your goal!!!

Clean house??? HA! I learned how to look up the ceiling after I come home from school. 2 boys, 2 crazy puppies.....is like a tornado passed by! I'm super picky and border line clean freak...but I'm flexible and go with the flow.....time with the kids, sleeping & studying are top priority.....I love doing all the girly stuff, and waiting after exams are over is always OK to go do it 😎

Keep up the good work and always take time for you. I can't wait to hear where are we all moms going to get accepted!!! :xf:
 
most definitely. time with fam or sleep is a much better thing to spend time on....

we should start a site like mommd. or a branch off it. then we can meet up at ada meeting! 🙂
 
The question's not whether it'd doable, because it's certainly doable. The question is how it'd affect your children to not be there for your kids or to spend a significant amount of time away from your kids. You'll be gone from your child at the age of 3-7, and that's one of the most tender years in growing up.

Ask yourself how you'd make it work. How could you go to dental school and still have your kids not grow up all F 'd up in the head? At least you're not a dad with a daughter. If you were an absent dad away from his daughter, that daughter'll have a 80-90% chance of growing up to be a stripper or prostitute. Now the question is what'll happen to a son whose mom wasn't there for him while growing up.
 
The question's not whether it'd doable, because it's certainly doable. The question is how it'd affect your children to not be there for your kids or to spend a significant amount of time away from your kids. You'll be gone from your child at the age of 3-7, and that's one of the most tender years in growing up.

Ask yourself how you'd make it work. How could you go to dental school and still have your kids not grow up all F 'd up in the head? At least you're not a dad with a daughter. If you were an absent dad away from his daughter, that daughter'll have a 80-90% chance of growing up to be a stripper or prostitute. Now the question is what'll happen to a son whose mom wasn't there for him while growing up.


One of the most ignorant displays I've seen on this forum to date.

"80-90% chance of growing up to be a stripper".....really? Where did you get that fact?

These parents are going to dental school not the foreign legion. What parents can be there all the time for their kids? The answer...unemployed ones....do those kids grow up healthy? No, they grow up hungry. Ridiculous statement....in the end, these Moms will work very flexible and reasonable hours and have a stable income for their children...They will also be a great role model for their children....I would venture to say that DENTSTD is a 22 yr old, straight to dental school, parents are paying their tuition and with ZERO life experience and zero life adversity....I feel bad for your classmates and future patients.
 
most definitely. time with fam or sleep is a much better thing to spend time on....

we should start a site like mommd. or a branch off it. then we can meet up at ada meeting! 🙂

Yeah! I know the founder of mommd...yrs ago she told me that if she ever adds another medical career to the website it will be for female dentists! Hummmm, maybe the time has come! I'm the only dental mom there...it's kind of lonely! No one there likes teeth! LOL!!!!
 
have three kids, expecting #4. I'm lucky in that my wife stays home. It's challenging to say the least, but definitely doable. One of the D2s here has 4 kids, possibly 5 by now. Lots of students married and/or kids at LLU.
 
Yeah! I know the founder of mommd...yrs ago she told me that if she ever adds another medical career to the website it will be for female dentists! Hummmm, maybe the time has come! I'm the only dental mom there...it's kind of lonely! No one there likes teeth! LOL!!!!

Ok I'm in too! Lets definitely start a club for dental moms, for extra support when we really need it, and get together at meetings - that's such a great idea! How do we do it?:luck: (But do we let dental dads in too???)
 
Ok I'm in too! Lets definitely start a club for dental moms, for extra support when we really need it, and get together at meetings - that's such a great idea! How do we do it?:luck: (But do we let dental dads in too???)

I've thinking for yrs how can I start something to help and connect with other moms and dads trying to become dentists. I think I have a very good idea and I'll email it to you.

The reason momMD is only for women is because of the unique challenges that we women face with this career. There are many-many things that come up on this path that are affecting women more than men. I think dads students or not do have challenges too and need support. As a family either the mom or the dad has to make sacrifices for the other one. I'm all for having the dads too--in school or not.
 
One of the most ignorant displays I've seen on this forum to date.

"80-90% chance of growing up to be a stripper".....really? Where did you get that fact?

These parents are going to dental school not the foreign legion. What parents can be there all the time for their kids? The answer...unemployed ones....do those kids grow up healthy? No, they grow up hungry. Ridiculous statement....in the end, these Moms will work very flexible and reasonable hours and have a stable income for their children...They will also be a great role model for their children....I would venture to say that DENTSTD is a 22 yr old, straight to dental school, parents are paying their tuition and with ZERO life experience and zero life adversity....I feel bad for your classmates and future patients.

Read a child psych book and we'll see who's really the ignorant one. The effect of absence of a parent, either physically or emotionally, are tremendous. Lots of parents try to provide the best for their children, but few are cognizant of the true effects they're having on their children.

There's more data on the effects of fatherless children than motherless children. Look up the "National Fatherhood Initiative." I could only imagine the effects of a child growing up without a mother, even if she's only emotionally unavailable. You think a child doesn't know when she's competing with "dental school" for her parents' love?

I certainly hope all your life experience somehow miraculously translated to understanding psychological development. Because in this situation, it matters more than knowledge garnered from living life from day to day (your so-called "life experience").
 
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The question's not whether it'd doable, because it's certainly doable. The question is how it'd affect your children to not be there for your kids or to spend a significant amount of time away from your kids. You'll be gone from your child at the age of 3-7, and that's one of the most tender years in growing up.

Ask yourself how you'd make it work. How could you go to dental school and still have your kids not grow up all F 'd up in the head? At least you're not a dad with a daughter. If you were an absent dad away from his daughter, that daughter'll have a 80-90% chance of growing up to be a stripper or prostitute. Now the question is what'll happen to a son whose mom wasn't there for him while growing up.

That's a little over the top. I don't know how hard you are working, but it must be much harder than I do. I have a kid and really don't think it is that bad. It is certainly no worse than it is for people who are lawyers, doctors, investment bankers, travelling salesman, military......and so forth. Sure it is stressful at times, but what job worth doing isn't.

You'd be amazed how much extra time you have when instead of going out drinking (I'm not saying this is you, but it certainly is alot of dental students), you spend time with your family.
 
Plus, I can say that I have certainly never had a job that included a month off every summer and three weeks off for Christmas (in addition to liberal school holidays). The extended time periods off are great.
 
That's a little over the top. I don't know how hard you are working, but it must be much harder than I do. I have a kid and really don't think it is that bad. It is certainly no worse than it is for people who are lawyers, doctors, investment bankers, travelling salesman, military......and so forth. Sure it is stressful at times, but what job worth doing isn't.

You'd be amazed how much extra time you have when instead of going out drinking (I'm not saying this is you, but it certainly is alot of dental students), you spend time with your family.

And my biggest point was you have to spend time with your child. Just make sure you can balance the hectic life of non-stop learning with raising a child. It would be imprudent to go to a school like Columbia, in this case.
 
And my biggest point was you have to spend time with your child. Just make sure you can balance the hectic life of non-stop learning with raising a child. It would be imprudent to go to a school like Columbia, in this case.

I totally agree. If I felt that school was interfering with the relationship I have with my daughter, it would be a different story. I should also point out that I have never gunned for the top. I'm already 32 and have no intention of specializing so I don't really care about getting a B instead of an A as long I feel that my ability to provide proper treatment isn't jeopardized.
 
You think a child doesn't know when she's competing with "dental school" for her parents' love?
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you are ridiculous. you clearly have no experience with children or a positive family life because if you did, you would know there is no way anything would replace a parent's true love for their child. it is because of that true love that we want to provide the best life possible for them.
my father is a surgeon and not only was he doing his residency while i was 3-5 years old but he spent the next huge number of years setting up his practice and perfecting his office. he was hardly ever around when i was little but we're the best of friends now and he is the best possible grandfather to my son. am i stripper or a prostitute? no. i'm going to be a dentist.

i completely agree with the post that said: the only person that can be with their child all the time is the person who doesn't have a job. sometimes that happens to be a stay at home mom/dad, but if both parents are employed, or if it is a single family house-hold, then what? are you trying to say that every single child that is in daycare has issues??

i worked for the majority of my son's first year of life and being in school is definitely better than having a job i hated and was miserable at. this post was asking for advice from parents who have done it and are doing it and are about to do it, not for misguided and close-minded peanut-gallery comments from someone who has no clue what it is like to love another being so completely that you would be willing to sacrifice everything you have and know just to get them the basics they need. why don't you keep your comments to threads like the one about dental students sleeping with each other and leave the adult conversations to us.
 
I've thinking for yrs how can I start something to help and connect with other moms and dads trying to become dentists. I think I have a very good idea and I'll email it to you.

The reason momMD is only for women is because of the unique challenges that we women face with this career. There are many-many things that come up on this path that are affecting women more than men. I think dads students or not do have challenges too and need support. As a family either the mom or the dad has to make sacrifices for the other one. I'm all for having the dads too--in school or not.

we're re-hijacking this thread and bringing it back to what it was supposed to be about.
👍👍 about these ideas. i'm all for having dads in too. i know my hubby is 100% involved with all decisions are made and everything we go through affects all of us. no reason why they should be left out of the discussion! 🙂
here's an idea. we should make a message board on our site for babysitting offers and needs. trade nights or something. organize it by school. and all of us can post ideas on the things we do to make things smoother.
pm me if needed. or we can just start a new thread!! 😛
 
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you are ridiculous. you clearly have no experience with children or a positive family life because if you did, you would know there is no way anything would replace a parent's true love for their child. it is because of that true love that we want to provide the best life possible for them.
my father is a surgeon and not only was he doing his residency while i was 3-5 years old but he spent the next huge number of years setting up his practice and perfecting his office. he was hardly ever around when i was little but we're the best of friends now and he is the best possible grandfather to my son. am i stripper or a prostitute? no. i'm going to be a dentist.

i completely agree with the post that said: the only person that can be with their child all the time is the person who doesn't have a job. sometimes that happens to be a stay at home mom/dad, but if both parents are employed, or if it is a single family house-hold, then what? are you trying to say that every single child that is in daycare has issues??

i worked for the majority of my son's first year of life and being in school is definitely better than having a job i hated and was miserable at. this post was asking for advice from parents who have done it and are doing it and are about to do it, not for misguided and close-minded peanut-gallery comments from someone who has no clue what it is like to love another being so completely that you would be willing to sacrifice everything you have and know just to get them the basics they need. why don't you keep your comments to threads like the one about dental students sleeping with each other and leave the adult conversations to us.

It's ridiculous, because you don't even know what's being said. You like to agree with those who reconfirm your decision to go to school, like the person who made the reference to being unemployed, but you like to slap in the face any decision contrary to what you want to hear. What I'm partly saying is that while you intend on doing great things like providing for your family, you may inadvertently do negative things that you may not have intended. If you're going to go back to school, you have to be aware of the potential negative things that may arise. You don't want your child's emotional health to suffer as a consequence. You should definitely go to school, but you have to make plans as to how it'd work. But first things first, you don't even know what these potential problems are, because you're more concerned about attacking my statements than understanding what's truly being said.

Given everything I was taught about child psych development, I prefer to not start a family while in school. I don't think I can attend to all his needs. I know you want to do good things. I've read the posts. But raising an emotionally and psychologically healthy child requires more than good intentions. I'll let you fill in the blanks yourself.

And in regards to the stripper comment, exaggerations never go well. Everyone on here's so literal.
 
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It's ridiculous, because you don't even know what's being said. You like to agree with those who reconfirm your decision to go to school, like the person who made the reference to being unemployed, but you like to slap in the face any decision contrary to what you want to hear. What I'm partly saying is that while you intend on doing great things like providing for your family, you may inadvertently do negative things that you may not have intended. If you're going to go back to school, you have to be aware of the potential negative things that may arise. You don't want your child's emotional health to suffer as a consequence. You should definitely go to school, but you have to make plans as to how it'd work. But first things first, you don't even know what these potential problems are, because you're more concerned about attacking my statements than understanding what's truly being said.

Given everything I was taught about child psych development, I prefer to not start a family while in school. I don't think I can attend to all his needs. I know you want to do good things. I've read the posts. But raising an emotionally and psychologically healthy child requires more than good intentions. I'll let you fill in the blanks yourself.

And in regards to the stripper comment, exaggerations never go well. Everyone on here's so literal.

i know perfectly well what's being said. and i am more than open to educated comments, both positive and negative. take note: first, i titled this post "DS with a family... is it possible?" which opens the door for "Yes" answers and "No" answers. but that question also implies that the answer would come from someone who has first hand experience with going to DS with a family, not someone who is basing their comments off false statistics, pre-conceived notions and stereotypes.
Second, if you look up in this thread you will see other posts that were anti-family in DS, or stating the difficulty of it, and none of those were met with arguements or slaps. Why? because they were well thought out replies from people who have children and have the experiences that go along with it. In particular, note the post from dentalmama. we both said our opinions, in an open and differing manner. not like your attacking and rude comments, stemming from your own perceptions (based on no real facts) of what parenting is all about.

regarding your 80-90% "statistic", the people reading your numbers aren't the ones being too literal, you're the one being too liberal with your exaggeration. By saying 80-90% you're saying 'virtually all' daughters of dads that weren't around are strippers and prostitutes. That's just flat out not true. It is not a fact, yet you were presenting it as one. I'm sure many strippers and prostitutes had bad home lives, but that isn't to say that every bad home live leads to that kind of work. Also, you were implying, or outright stating, that parents in school, or away from the house all day, is a bad home life.

Do you really think that every parent immediately becomes a non-functioning part of society? You've never heard of a SuperMom or Dad? do you think that none of your dental professors will have families while teaching class and grading your exams and holding office hours and replying to emails and advising on clinical procedures? Do you think that every single person who works 40+ hours a week has a nanny at home taking care of their child? CEOs down to salespeople, dentists down to hygenists... just about every person with a family has a job. this isn't the 1950s. We don't live in single-income households anymore. We live in a world where both parents work and children are in daycare. In your insituation that every child with issues has parents outside of the home, you have conveniently sidestepped that portion of this discussion.

You have also negleted to think about all the time people without kids spend doing extraneous activities. You feel like sleeping in till noon on Sunday then playing golf and taking a nap and maybe reading some text book for an hour or two? You want to go out for happy hour on a random tuesday, which leads into going out to dinner, which leads into another bar, which leads into you doing your homework at 10 pm with more than a slight buzz? You feel like spending Friday night out on a date with Saturday night home on the couch watching movies? That's the time we spend with our families. And we love every second of it. You would never for a moment believe that someone would go into Dental School and give up all free time, or all drinking time, or all tv watching time, or all sex/dating/etc time, so what makes you think that people with familes don't have time for that? Instead of going out till 10 then doing homework, we go straight home, have dinner with the kids, put them to bed and get started on homework at 8. Instead of sleeping till noon, we wake up at 7 and have breakfast and get fresh air and study while the kids take a nap on a sunny sunday. We might actually spend more time studying than people without kids because we manage our time better.

Clearly I have thought of all sides of this. I have plans. No, they don't include time for drinkin' but I prefer it that way. My planning is demonstrated by the fact that I started this thread in the first place (with the intent of getting advice from people who have already made these plans), and is also demonstrated by my numerous posts detailing my thought process and the pros and cons of the situation. Plus you have no idea what plans are occuring and being discussed outside of SDN, in the real world. You're the one that doesn't know what's being said: a) because you have zero experience with having a family and juggling and b) you're not actually reading any of these posts that are written by parents who are currently doing it. You're filling in the blanks for us, without any background knowledge.
 
Just because you can see Russia from Alaska doesn't mean you have Foreign Policy experience! :corny:
 
Instead of sleeping till noon, we wake up at 7 and have breakfast and get fresh air and study while the kids take a nap on a sunny sunday. We might actually spend more time studying than people without kids because we manage our time better.

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dentstd, you're a dentist, lawyer and now a child psychologist. I'm borderline impressed.
 
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