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Hi MSV. I just pm-ed you about the book list.

According to the preview day info, you can bring your family to the retreat. You would just have to pay a flat fee of $50. It is free if you room with three classmates.
 
Retreat -- you can bring whoever you wish. From what I remember though, there was a fee for each additional person. But I could be wrong or they could have changed things.

Big Sibs = us 2nd years. 🙂 We're there in our infinite wisdom to guide you through the woes of 1st year medical school. hehe. It's not that bad. But we are basically there to answer questions. Help you out whenever we can. Traditionally, the source of old exams. And let me tell you, I have a huge crate of first year exams that go back years and years (for some classes, back to the 80s!). You will find that old tests will come in very handy. I dunno -- I lucked out. Most people don't receive as extensive a collection as I did. But in general, many sibs have some tests to offer. Also, a lot of times, big sibs will give/lend a book to their lil sib. But this isn't the case with all, of course. I know that I in particular, am rather partial to my books (that sense of security of having a book there "just in case") 😱 I'm such a paranoid nutcase. :laugh: Occassionally, big sibs will beat up people who are pickin on ya. 😀

Equipment -- Stethescope.
If you don't have one yet, then WAIT! The salesman (esp Welch Allen ... the other big name is Littman, but I preferred W-A ... 10 year warranty vs. 3 yr on the more expensive but more aesthetically pleasing Littman? Gimme the W-A!) offer an exceptional deal when they come to the school. Better than what you would even get online. I bought a $180 steth for $115 I think it was. He's great! You won't need it until 2-3 months into school. But stop by the bookstore and ask them when the guy's going to be by the school with the sale. They'll usually post a sign up anyhow.
*Scrubs -- not exactly necessary if you plan on getting it for anatomy. If you have any "throw away" clothes you don't care about, then don't worry about scrubs. Contrary to popular belief, you *can* get the smell pretty much out after 5 straight washes at the end of the semester. Although I guess if you sniff REALLLLLLY hard, you can still catch a faint musty smell. But don't mind me. I've been told I have the sniffing abilities of a dog by several people. :laugh:
 
the Cheap Man's secret: GO TO THE LIBRARY!

The library is SUCH an under-used resource unless a professor specifically says that such and such is only available at the library and that it will be on the test.

A lot of times, you don't have the buy the books. Just check them out at the library. ESPECIALLY that Rohen book and another photo atlas I don't remember the name too. It's a white softback book. The Rohen in the library is a black hardback. Both are great and helped me immensely, especially since I HATED anatomy. Anatomy depends a lot on group dynamics and well, although I'm friends with most of the people in my group, we didn't have a very good study dynamic. So for me, labs were mostly just butcher sessions. Only time I ever got anything out of it was if a prof came over, a literally did part of the dissection and explained things as he did it. But this individual attention without a huge crowd surrounding them is a rare treat. lol. Competition for the attentions of professors during anatomy lab is fierce. Very amusing though to hear people scheme of ways to get attention. :laugh:
 
anath, do they professors esepcially for anatomy and histology specifically refer to recomendde dbooks or can you get a book and as long as it has that topic in it, use that? know what i mean?

i am partial to my books also and tend to write in them so i probably wont' be handing them down to anyone.

are you going to hand that huge test file down to your little sib? i'd be willing to buy them off of you. name your price! 😀

okya, one mroe quetsion. is there a website that has a list fo all of the student organizations at evms? New gal, did they give you such a list at preview?
thanks!

BTW my is Vanessa. i think we should exchange first names so that we can say hello in the halls of evms. otherwise i'll be looking fo Anath and KSBO, UNC walley and any other screen names!
 
How horrible and (wrong!) of me. This whole time, I had thought you were male. Dunno why. I'm Katrina.

Organizations ... actually, yes there is. I remember seeing a list on some page one day when I was bored and roamed the evms site. But don't remember where that was. But dont' worry. There's a day, either in the first or 2nd week (prolly first) when people from all the different organizations sit outside and beg you to join their club, etc. You end up signing a bunch of lists. 🙂

They dont' exactly "recommend" books. They barely mention books actually, other than to say, these are the books I've put on the syllabus. In fact, and I have never understood this -- in histology the recommended or assigned text is Ross' Histology and the Gartner Alas. However, she doesn't teach from either of those. She actually teaches and sometimes, in almost the exact same outline, from a Histology book by Junqueira. I don't think she makes this fact public, but every now adn then, you see her with it and if you look in it, she follows it. Junqueira is actually teh book that I believe is more of a standard in medical schools than Ross. I guess Ross has a lot more clinical correlations (which you WILL be tested on, even if not discussed in class -- they're in blue boxes) and it is has great pictures.

To answer your question -- get what works for you! Especially since you don't need the books to pass most of the classes. Anatomy especially -- just get whatever Atlas you want (Netter's is good if you want to look at the same pictures that Dr. Goode uses in class although the assigned Atlas is by Grant). Although I buy most of the books that they assign (I know I shouldn't buy them, but I feel secure having them) ... anyhoo, I buy most of them, but I also tend to by books from the BRS (Board Review Series) or the High Yield books. Both are topical. I add my own notes to them as I go along if the teacher mentions something that isn't in them. They're great. Consise. And when you take the board exam, it'll come in handy to already have them, well used and worn by you.

When you get to school, ask around or ask you big sib, which classes to get the BRS series for and which to get High Yield books for. Ie, High Yield most especially for Embryo. Oh! DO NOT BUY THE EMBRYO TEXT. It is much too detailed and goes into too much genetics and molecular cell biology. Just get high yield. The assigned text is an expensive book for as little as it is too! High Yield for Neuro (although Neuro is actually the one class the text book was very helpful. But I used High Yield as a final study source). Anyhoo -- ask your big sib about these.

Oh! Sign up for AMSA (american medical student association) and AMA (american medical association). With AMSA sigh up you get the Stedman's Consice Medical Dictionary. It comes in handy when you least expect it and it's actually a really nice book. Also, with AMA, you get a free Netter's Atlas. Now, for both, you have to sign up and pay for a 4 year membership, but they are both a great deal.

Ah! This isnt' where I initially saw it. But the list of organizations is in the student handbook (you'll get it the first week). But here's a link to our handbook from last year. Go to page 42.

EVMS handbook

Oh. btw. I dunno if they stress this. I remember they actually did *not* when I had came here for my interview. But EVMS is big on community service and projects. There's is a ton of things going on if you keep your eyes peeled. And if you don't see opportunities that come your way, then you will be able to make those opportunities happen. Talk to someone. There are a lot of passionate faculty here. But note! None of this is required! 🙂 Don't feel pressured. But if you are interested in community service, learn to balance your time.
 
anath you are so helpful!
dont' feel bad i was telling kbso that i thought you were male also! 🙂 she mentioend you as a she and i was shocked. i think it's your avatar. 😀
i have junquiera. i'll have to see if it's the most current edition.

i found a usmle book guide from some school- MCV i think that has reviews of various books lik BRs or HY. if anyone wants it, pm me your email and i'll email it to you. how did you stick that handbook pdf in here, anath? anyway i have used that as a guide on which books to buy.

it's weird that they dont' have assigned readings from specific testbooks. that's a major differnt from udenrgrad and even other grad classes.
 
okya, i knew i had mroe questions! sorry 😳

someone told me that they do locker assignments and we have to have a cpr class before school starts? does anyone know anything about this? and i thought lockers were first come first serve.
 
🙂 There is a new edition of Junqueira (10th edition) that has come out this year. It includes a CD-rom. It has also jacked up the price to almost $60. It is *NOT* worth the money. Not too much has changed in histology. Scoville has a pretty old edition also and well, you will find that histo's Scoville and anatomy's Goode (both are the main professors) -- both of them tend to well, be outdated in terms of what they use. lol. Goode is still using a slide projector, which almost no other professor does in the school (at least first year).

If you have the 8th or 9th editions, you will probably be more than fine. Any if you're good at studying ahead of time, do the reading before class and if something is said differently from the text in class, make note of it. Actually, you wont' really have to do that either. The syllabus is pretty good in histo and you can note any differences from that.

Also, there's is a sort of "companion" to the Junqueira book -- it's called Basic Histology (I believe) by Paulsen. It's meant to complement Junqueira -- it is basically Junqueira in outline format. But it includes questions at the end of each chapter. And then interdisciplinary questions every several chapters.

The USMLE Guide book you are talking about is probably First Aid. In teh back, they list books according to class and give them a grade.

Oh! They *do* "assign" readings for lectures in most classes. It's usually on the first page of that day's lecture. But it is at times, very broad and can cover too much. Ie, I think the reading for the first anatomy class is 100 pages. I think that sometimes, the professors just feel obligated to have some pages written down, so they don't even pay attention to what they're really putting down. But rarely does anyone do those readings. There just isn't time. Read what you feel like you need to read on, but don't get too deep into the books. Also, you will find that a lot of times, esp in physiology, various professors have their own particular books they like to use, and will assign reading from that even though it's not the text. So really, the books aren't always the ideal. That's why you should find the books that really work for you and not what they tell you will work.

CPR = you do *NOT* have to have a CPR certification before you come (unless they changed things, but I doubt it). During the first year, you are required to find time at some point to go and they will send you an e-mail about it. You need to get a certification as a Health Professional (not the normal certifcation most people get). But that doesn't happen until towards the end of first semester or during second semester.

LOCKERS -- it IS first come first serve. Nothing is assigned. I almost wish it was because last year, no one told me about this. By the time I found out, all the lockers were taken. Although there are always some lockers thave have a couple of things in them. A lot of people took those things out and claimed the lockers (since there was no lock) but I don't like messing with people's things so I never did so. Kinda like taking someone else's underwear out of the washer or drier when you really need to use the machine. So when you come to school, go to Student Affairs to Carmen and ask for a lock. She'll give you one and go look for a locker as soon as possible. 🙂 I'll be arriving at school with a lock in tow. I learned my lesson last year.

No problem with questions! I hated my undergrad, but I honestly do love this school despite any whining and complainign I might do during the year. It feels good ta be able to toot 🙂 .
 
Hi Vanessa (MSV) and Katrina (Anath), my name is Wilson. That's great info Anath. We all appreciate it so very much.

Here are some sites that may be of help to you Vanessa, enkindu, and neurotracer:

http://scripts.cgispy.com/classifieds.cgi?user=evmshousing

http://student.evms.edu/webpage/index.php

http://www.thecityofnorfolk.com/apartment/


If you haven't signed on to your financial aid yet call and ask about incentive programs MedLoans, Medfunds, Citibank (www.studentloans.com), and www.northstar.org have to offer. It will make the signing easier.

Hey, Vanessa can I split that box of old exams with you🙂 ? I'll pay my share-hahhaha

If you guys need any housing information I have talked to some realtors and would be happy to forward that info to you.

ANATH or UNCWALLEY-Are there affordable places to eat near campus? For seafood?

My friend found this website from another school that has board review material to download-www.do2005.net.

If you guys need anything just tell me.
 
Define affordable. 🙂

There are tons of places to eat! Although I said to define affordable jokingly, it really is the case. The restaurants in Ghent itself are a lil pricey for my tastes. (ie, $7+ for lunch, 10+ dinner ... this is excluding Chinese).

But I really don't know much about any seafood restaurants. There's Captain D's which isn't really a restaurant at all. More like a fast food joint. Oh, and I always order catfish from a very nice soul food place called Harry's. Sorta like a fixture of downtown Norfolk that's been there for many years. Beyond that, I have mostly stuck to either my own cookign or chinese, Thai or Mexican.

If you have a car, there are a million places you can go! 😀
 
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thanks for the links! I still haven't figured out how to insert a pdf but if you pm me your email address, i'll send you the pdf file with the review book ratings.

restaurants: Downtown norfolk has some great restaurants. there is a mall called macarthur mall which has:

Castaldis- italian
Kincaids- american
Chilis- you know what that is but for some reason the food at this chilis is the best i have tasted in any chilis.
Cheescake factory cafe- this has the desserst and some salads and some wrap style sandwiches. not the full blown menu.
Max & Ermas- American.
Food court- the usual.

Downtown norfolk:
Freemason abbey- granby st- pretty good
Alice Maes- soul food
Coyote Cafe- mexican
Jack Quinn's- irish
subway
chesapeake bagel
gourmet gang
starbuck
schlotsky's
taste unlimited
Waterside- this is a festval mall on the waterfront that has Joe's crabshack, a chinese place and like a food court deal. joe's crab shack is okay.

but when i think of seafood i dont' think of norfolk. in fact we almost always go to Captain Georges' out in va Beach. the food there is off the hook and there is a all you can eat option. there is one that is almot always crowded and another that isn't because it is far out fo the way but it is right on the beach and we use it for speical occasions. there there's this place called Croakers. Fisherman's wharf is a little far out. there are quite a few places on shore drive but that is a bit of a drive. there is one on shore drive that is very popular called the duck in also. it's in va beach. of course there are places down on the strip in va beach also. there are so many in va beach but like anath said, you'lll need a car.
 
wouldn't it be great to have a class website before shcool begins? does anyone know how to do this? i used to know html. it woudl have to be a collaborativ eeffort beuca se as you can see i am clueless.
 
hey guys, does the bookstore give a discount to students?would it be better to buy the books from the bookstore or amazon or another discount store?
 
Hi guys! I have set up a yahoo group for our class. here is the web address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evms2007/. this is the subsrciption adress: [email protected]. i am not exactly sure how to tell the rest of the members of our class. maybe i could go through the office of admissions?

all of you who are in other classes, please come along to answer our questions.
it is bare bones now but i will work on it.
 
MSV-I sent you a PM concerning the Yahoo Grp. My email to you was before I knew that you started one already, but my offer still stands, I'll be happy to help it get off the ground.
 
Hey for any EVMS incoming 2003 classmates, MSV MD 2B has graciously set up a website just for you:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evms2007/

So please join us, we look forward to hearing from you and getting to know you.
 
Bump!

anath and unc_walley come and join us on yahoo! (please) everyone else is welcome also.
 
Anath and UNC-Walley,

Question, what is the parking like at Hague Club Apts? Is it assigned? Is there any covering? Do they have a laundry room in the complex?

Thanks,
KBSO
 
what good timing. I haven't checked this sub-forum in a while. Hague Club parking, if I'm correct, is not assigned. But luckily, it does have it's own parking. But it's pretty small. Parking in Norfolk is atrocious. It was one reason I picked the apartment I currentl live in over an actual house (a house that not only had a jacuzzi, but was cheaper!). I'm much too impatient of a person when it comes to parking/driving to ever have to deal with it. Side street parking is as bad, if not worse than that in DC.

Covering? :laugh: You aren't bringing a shiney new car with you, are you? 🙂 Either way, no -- there aren't any coverings. Just an open parking lot. I've only spent 1 year in Norfolk, and in my opinion, it rains a great deal down there. It also tends to flood in that area (esp where the Hague Club is) because you have the river right there, and there's no drainage for whenever it rains. As pretty as the river is when the water is nice, it can be a pain with it's flooding, so park your car away from the river if all the parking lot spaces are taken and you're forced to park on the street.

Norfolk in general has issues when it rains a lot. Issues with flooding I mean. It's not scarey proportion flooding, but enough that sometimes, they'll close off streets. Also, when it does rains and you're going down the residential streets (ie, Manteo), note that there are a ton of "dips" instead of speed bumps. So these tend to collect a LOT of water when it rains. Water would be deep enough that it would get into whatever is down there in the car (I know zilch about cars) and make turning my wheels a lot harder and resistant. Scared the heck outta me when it first happened cuz it felt like the car was doin it's own thing. But I've gotten used to it.

Norfolk is almost at sea level so that's why is always has these issues. bah. 🙂 But I still really like Norfolk
 
Anath,

Thanks. Actually, I might be a new car, but after the rain it won't be shiny anymore. Being 10 blocks from a grocery store doesn't appeal to me and when it rains and snows-I don't want to be walking or biking. 🙂 Thanks for the flood alert. Thunderstorming a lot out there-from checking the local paper here at home. Totally will be change of lifestyle for me-the rain that is.

Hey, you're invited to join our EVMS 2007 Group, unc_walley joined already. We would like to be graced by your presence.

When I interviewed there in Feb, I almost crashed coming out of the airport in a car. The first time I drove in snow-man was I relieved when the brakes finally responded-whew!!!! I guess I'll get more use to it in fall and stock up on food before the snow-🙂

Best Wishes,
KBSO
 
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