Easy A's or Useful Classes??

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Hey all,
I'm gearing up for my final semester in undergrad and am faced with a dilemma. My cGPA is looking to be around 3.5, which isn't great, and my ECs are fantastic. To graduate on time I'm going to need to load up on credits this coming semester and take nearly twice the course load of an average full time student at my school.
The problem right now is what sort of classes to take?

I really have a huge interest in the sciences and want to take the last of the upper level sciences my school offers. The problem is, my cGPA isn't stellar and I could take one or two writing courses (or what have you) for an extremely easy A.

Do I go for the easy A's and sacrifice potentially useful knowledge? or do I risk slightly lower grades (B+) for a more compelling and useful class?

For the record I've taken this many classes in a semester before. I'm confident I'll get around a B+ average with some serious work. But those A's are appealing.

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Hey all,
I'm gearing up for my final semester in undergrad and am faced with a dilemma. My cGPA is looking to be around 3.5, which isn't great, and my ECs are fantastic. To graduate on time I'm going to need to load up on credits this coming semester and take nearly twice the course load of an average full time student at my school.
The problem right now is what sort of classes to take?

I really have a huge interest in the sciences and want to take the last of the upper level sciences my school offers. The problem is, my cGPA isn't stellar and I could take one or two writing courses (or what have you) for an extremely easy A.

Do I go for the easy A's and sacrifice potentially useful knowledge? or do I risk slightly lower grades (B+) for a more compelling and useful class?

For the record I've taken this many classes in a semester before. I'm confident I'll get around a B+ average with some serious work. But those A's are appealing.

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Translation: don't hate the playa, hate the game

Unfortunately, the current academic climate for pre-meds favors gunning for the highest GPA possible (without cheating, ofc) over satisfying the thirst for intellectual curiosity. It'd be ideal to be achieving both at the same time. The solution to your problem is simple: play the pre-med game correctly 😉
 
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Get an A in the useful classes.

I know it sounds like I'm ruling that out too quickly. But the workload of one or two useful science classes at my school is at least quadrupedal that of a liberal arts class. So the pressure that the added work will put on all the other reqs I have to take would realistically have a significant effect on the grade outcome. So expecting straight A's from myself, taking double the full-time credits and in some of the heaviest classes I could, is slightly unrealistic.

Seems like the easy A's are winning out. Thanks for the quick reply! It just kind of feels like cheating. But, whatever it takes to be MD I guess.
 
I wouldn't take a writing class if my life depended on it. The thought of having to write English papers again makes me cringe... and I did very well in writing and in philosophy courses (all A+s).
 
I know it sounds like I'm ruling that out too quickly. But the workload of one or two useful science classes at my school is at least quadrupedal that of a liberal arts class. So the pressure that the added work will put on all the other reqs I have to take would realistically have a significant effect on the grade outcome. So expecting straight A's from myself, taking double the full-time credits and in some of the heaviest classes I could, is slightly unrealistic.

Seems like the easy A's are winning out. Thanks for the quick reply! It just kind of feels like cheating. But, whatever it takes to be MD I guess.

If your university has given you permission to take whatever course load you are taking, then I would assume that it is possible (given an adequate amount of work) for you to do well in all of those courses. That being said, you know yourself better than I do so you are much more aware of your capabilities. I would still suggest taking courses which you are genuinely interested in, regardless of their difficulty.

If you are not very interested in those easier courses, you might not do well in them either. But if you actually do well in them, no one will care that you took easy courses to increase your GPA.
 
Don't assume all humanities are easy A's. rateyourprofessor will be able to tell you which are easy A's.
 
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At the risk of being the complete minority, I would say go for the useful/fun/interesting classes. You only go through college once, no point in wasting time taking classes that don't interest you.
 
Quandary: how is the material from upper level science courses "useful"?
 
Speaking from experience, a supposedly easy A class will not be an easy A if you go in with no interest. That is because you will lack motivation to take it seriously, thus that may hurt you in the end.

Something I do wonder is how will medical school adcoms view optional pass/fail grades? If pass/fail grades genuinely do not hurt your application, then that can allow you to take those more challenging classes that interest you without having to stress out about the grade.
 
Easy As. Not worth the risk of dropping your GPA farther with the current climate.
 
Hey all,
I'm gearing up for my final semester in undergrad and am faced with a dilemma. My cGPA is looking to be around 3.5, which isn't great, and my ECs are fantastic. To graduate on time I'm going to need to load up on credits this coming semester and take nearly twice the course load of an average full time student at my school.
The problem right now is what sort of classes to take?

I really have a huge interest in the sciences and want to take the last of the upper level sciences my school offers. The problem is, my cGPA isn't stellar and I could take one or two writing courses (or what have you) for an extremely easy A.

Do I go for the easy A's and sacrifice potentially useful knowledge? or do I risk slightly lower grades (B+) for a more compelling and useful class?

For the record I've taken this many classes in a semester before. I'm confident I'll get around a B+ average with some serious work. But those A's are appealing.
I took classes that I was interested in (immunology, histology, etc) and it tanked my GPA. I got rejected on my first go because of GPA, and as a result had to spend two years getting a MS to bring it up.
 
How about don't graduate next semester. Taking 24 credits or whatever will make it much harder to get a 4.0 than the rigor of the classes you take.
I can't afford another semester and I know I can get done what I need to. I managed to set up a 'guaranteed' job at a pharmaceutical research lab, so I need to work that for a year to put myself in a credit position to afford medical school. Keep in mind that I can't begin this job until my degree is in hand and waiting an additional year after that is completely abhorrent to me.

Couple things I'm seeing that maybe I can address.
1) The classes I'm considering are easy A's. After writing for the sciences, writing for English professors is a joke. A solid 15 page lab report will take me up to 7 hours to work out and I'll have about 5 to 6 of those for every science class in a semester. The same length in an essay is maybe 2 hours worth of writing thoughts onto a page that don't need to be cited and need only be semi-coherent to get an A (and will only come about as a final).

2) The heavier and interesting course load involves taking Organic Chemistry 2 and Advanced Synthetic Organic Chemistry in the same semester. I have no doubt I could do well in both of these (despite one being a pre-req for another), but anything less than an A is just going to impede my goal. Also, I've taken pre-reqs along with the advanced courses before. It causes a lot of extra work but is totally doable. Anyway, this kind of throws a damper on the whole "you'll be good at what you're interested in" thing. It's true, but it will only get me so far when the due-dates start pouring in from every other class in addition.

3) All of my sciences have been useful to me so far. The job I have lined up began as an internship for the department and I used every bit of knowledge I had. Besides all of that, the point of being a scientist is to LEARN ABOUT THE WORLD AROUND YOU! Even if some of you consider a class like Advanced Synthetic Organic Chemistry to be useless, it's a chance to learn more detail about how the things that matter really work. Don't mind the soap box.

Glad this started sort of a discussion. But ultimately there is a game to be played because admissions don't give a crap how difficult some classes are if the GPA isn't all there.
It's a terrible shame to realize that this is a system that will take 3.8 history major over a 3.5 molecular biology major any day. Not to downplay the importance of liberal arts degrees, but I just think the science of medicine should matter a bit more. *sighs and takes drink*
 
I can't afford another semester and I know I can get done what I need to. I managed to set up a 'guaranteed' job at a pharmaceutical research lab, so I need to work that for a year to put myself in a credit position to afford medical school. Keep in mind that I can't begin this job until my degree is in hand and waiting an additional year after that is completely abhorrent to me.

Couple things I'm seeing that maybe I can address.
1) The classes I'm considering are easy A's. After writing for the sciences, writing for English professors is a joke. A solid 15 page lab report will take me up to 7 hours to work out and I'll have about 5 to 6 of those for every science class in a semester. The same length in an essay is maybe 2 hours worth of writing thoughts onto a page that don't need to be cited and need only be semi-coherent to get an A (and will only come about as a final).

2) The heavier and interesting course load involves taking Organic Chemistry 2 and Advanced Synthetic Organic Chemistry in the same semester. I have no doubt I could do well in both of these (despite one being a pre-req for another), but anything less than an A is just going to impede my goal. Also, I've taken pre-reqs along with the advanced courses before. It causes a lot of extra work but is totally doable. Anyway, this kind of throws a damper on the whole "you'll be good at what you're interested in" thing. It's true, but it will only get me so far when the due-dates start pouring in from every other class in addition.

3) All of my sciences have been useful to me so far. The job I have lined up began as an internship for the department and I used every bit of knowledge I had. Besides all of that, the point of being a scientist is to LEARN ABOUT THE WORLD AROUND YOU! Even if some of you consider a class like Advanced Synthetic Organic Chemistry to be useless, it's a chance to learn more detail about how the things that matter really work. Don't mind the soap box.

Glad this started sort of a discussion. But ultimately there is a game to be played because admissions don't give a crap how difficult some classes are if the GPA isn't all there.
It's a terrible shame to realize that this is a system that will take 3.8 history major over a 3.5 molecular biology major any day. Not to downplay the importance of liberal arts degrees, but I just think the science of medicine should matter a bit more. *sighs and takes drink*

I don' know anything about your university but SDN really downplays the difficulty of liberal arts classes. I have a major in both colleges (Sciences and Liberal Arts) and I see a lot of SDNers talking about humanities courses being jokes when all they have taken is "children's lit" or "intro to british lit" during their freshman year. If you can write a 15 page paper in 2 hours then more power to you but if I told my professor that's how much thought I put into a paper I wouldnt be surprised f they threw it directly in the trash.

I don't know anything about you so I have no idea how good of a student you are or what 24 credits is like at your university....but I do know that you have a 3.5 and I find it very hard to believe when B+/A- students say they are all of a sudden going to take a much harder courseload and earn an "easy" 4.0. 24 hours of anything at my university would be absolutely brutal. I took 21 one semester and it was absolutely awful (with a pretty "balanced" courseload in terms of class difficulty), I can't imagine having to handle one more class on top of that semester. If you believe that you can get a 4.0 taking 24 credit hours then all the more power to you, it's your life and I'm just some guy on the internet, but to be honest that just screams cognitive dissonance to me given your past academic performance. The B+ average you are confident in will drop your GPA but it might still be good enough to get in somewhere. Are you maxed on student loans? Has your financial aid been pulled or not offered for some reason? It might be more beneficial to go into a little bit more debt and take careful but sure steps forward rather than make a running leap over an abyss. If you can qualify for FAP then you might not need to save as much to apply as you think.
 
I don' know anything about your university but SDN really downplays the difficulty of liberal arts classes. I have a major in both colleges (Sciences and Liberal Arts) and I see a lot of SDNers talking about humanities courses being jokes when all they have taken is "children's lit" or "intro to british lit" during their freshman year. If you can write a 15 page paper in 2 hours then more power to you but if I told my professor that's how much thought I put into a paper I wouldnt be surprised f they threw it directly in the trash.

I don't know anything about you so I have no idea how good of a student you are or what 24 credits is like at your university....but I do know that you have a 3.5 and I find it very hard to believe when B+/A- students say they are all of a sudden going to take a much harder course load and earn an "easy" 4.0. 24 hours of anything at my university would be absolutely brutal. I took 21 one semester and it was absolutely awful (with a pretty "balanced" course load in terms of class difficulty), I can't imagine having to handle one more class on top of that semester. If you believe that you can get a 4.0 taking 24 credit hours then all the more power to you, it's your life and I'm just some guy on the internet, but to be honest that just screams cognitive dissonance to me given your past academic performance. The B+ average you are confident in will drop your GPA but it might still be good enough to get in somewhere. Are you maxed on student loans? Has your financial aid been pulled or not offered for some reason? It might be more beneficial to go into a little bit more debt and take careful but sure steps forward rather than make a running leap over an abyss. If you can qualify for FAP then you might not need to save as much to apply as you think.

Look, I'm not meaning to downplay those kinds of courses THAT much. They do require some work and aren't just nothing classes. I understand why you're being defensive if you put genuine work into the type of classes you think I'm talking about. I don't mean to say that ALL liberal arts classes are a joke by any means and it certainly depends on the student and professor. But, from what I've experienced (taking into consideration the type of professor and what the individual is good at) the amount of work that would go into a class like Cellular Biochemistry or Advanced Inorganic Chemistry is above and beyond that of a class like Advanced Composition or Technical Writing. At least at my school, the amount of writing required for a Cellular Biochemistry course alone is more than the entirety of Advanced Composition (which I've also taken), and that's just the writing (which requires nearly every sentences to be backed up with citation or data).

I'm also a transfer from another major that was more in the line of liberal arts. There is no comparison in difficulty. None. Perhaps one or two classes in the liberal arts were more difficult, but overall...
If I were in it just for the pre-med game I would've taken the med school pre-reqs and kept my old major. In addition, I know about what my friends in other majors have to do for school and sometimes it's just laughable what they think is hard work. Some of which are at extremely prestigious schools. Whether or not you think I'm talking out of my tush or think that my sources must be flawed somehow is up to you. But, I'm going to continue to operate under the assumption that if I take a couple of liberal arts course instead of sciences my course load would be much lighter.

Attacks on my intelligence aside, yeah my passed performance is precisely why I wanted to ask others what they thought I should do. Maybe I should've elaborated on my situation a bit more. I've overloaded on courses four other semesters and took as many sciences as I possibly could in addition to working, shadowing, volunteering, a couple different research projects, and a couple internships. I LOVED the classes and did alright, but the work was just too much to get straight A's and I'm paying for it with a 3.5 GPA. So, instead of potentially making the same mistake again I asked if I should cut the pride in science crap and play the game that likes easy classes. The answer seemed pretty unanimous.

I'm sure about my financial situation, though your curiosity is interesting. Without elaborating too much I have exhausted all options. Yes, I'm sure of this. No, I can't just (insert solution here).

EDIT: Also, I'm not sure if you all took those writing courses for the grade or because you're interested. When I've taken courses in writing it's easy to just read the professor and write what I think he/she will agree with/enjoy the most. I don't write essays for these classes to express my own opinions or creativity. It takes the soul out of it, sure, but it's an easy A.
OH! This also doesn't say anything about the differences in time allocated to the classes for each major. Every science class requires a lab that can be 3-5 hours to it. Yet, for more than double the class time, science majors get the same credits (some labs are even treated as there own classes with their own homework and due dates with none of the extra transcript credits).
 
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Look, I'm not meaning to downplay those kinds of courses THAT much. They do require some work and aren't just nothing classes. I understand why you're being defensive if you put genuine work into the type of classes you think I'm talking about. I don't mean to say that ALL liberal arts classes are a joke by any means and it certainly depends on the student and professor. But, from what I've experienced (taking into consideration the type of professor and what the individual is good at) the amount of work that would go into a class like Cellular Biochemistry or Advanced Inorganic Chemistry is above and beyond that of a class like Advanced Composition or Technical Writing. At least at my school, the amount of writing required for a Cellular Biochemistry course alone is more than the entirety of Advanced Composition (which I've also taken), and that's just the writing (which requires nearly every sentences to be backed up with citation or data).

I'm also a transfer from another major that was more in the line of liberal arts. There is no comparison in difficulty. None. Perhaps one or two classes in the liberal arts were more difficult, but overall...
If I were in it just for the pre-med game I would've taken the med school pre-reqs and kept my old major. In addition, I know about what my friends in other majors have to do for school and sometimes it's just laughable what they think is hard work. Some of which are at extremely prestigious schools. Whether or not you think I'm talking out of my tush or think that my sources must be flawed somehow is up to you. But, I'm going to continue to operate under the assumption that if I take a couple of liberal arts course instead of sciences my course load would be much lighter.

Attacks on my intelligence aside, yeah my passed performance is precisely why I wanted to ask others what they thought I should do. Maybe I should've elaborated on my situation a bit more. I've overloaded on courses four other semesters and took as many sciences as I possibly could in addition to working, shadowing, volunteering, a couple different research projects, and a couple internships. I LOVED the classes and did alright, but the work was just too much to get straight A's and I'm paying for it with a 3.5 GPA. So, instead of potentially making the same mistake again I asked if I should cut the pride in science crap and play the game that likes easy classes. The answer seemed pretty unanimous.

I'm sure about my financial situation, though your curiosity is interesting. Without elaborating too much I have exhausted all options. Yes, I'm sure of this. No, I can't just (insert solution here).

EDIT: Also, I'm not sure if you all took those writing courses for the grade or because you're interested. When I've taken courses in writing it's easy to just read the professor and write what I think he/she will agree with/enjoy the most. I don't write essays for these classes to express my own opinions or creativity. It takes the soul out of it, sure, but it's an easy A.

i didn't mean to attack your intelligence, all I mentioned was that you have a 3.5. If you don't do anything differently, you will reap identical results, perhaps worse if this semester turns out to be harder than the others or more work. Again, taking 24 hours just sounds like a bad idea to me and I wanted to make sure your financial options were truly exhausted. Rarely is this actually the case with the more likely truth being that the option presented to you is undesirable for some reason - I guessed debt. Do what you want, but when you don't get the grades you want don't start acting all bitter about how much harder you had to work than others to receive worse results.
 
i didn't mean to attack your intelligence, all I mentioned was that you have a 3.5. If you don't do anything differently, you will reap identical results, perhaps worse if this semester turns out to be harder than the others or more work. Again, taking 24 hours just sounds like a bad idea to me and I wanted to make sure your financial options were truly exhausted. Rarely is this actually the case with the more likely truth being that the option presented to you is undesirable for some reason - I guessed debt. Do what you want, but when you don't get the grades you want don't start acting all bitter about how much harder you had to work than others to receive worse results.

Okay, I'm sorry I took it that way. I suppose I am a little bitter on the subject. All I initially said was that it was a shame that the harder work doesn't matter to med admissions (or at least until the interview really). I don't believe I'm necessarily owed anything (no one is), but forgive me in the mean time if I'm perturbed about an annoying situation.
 
Nonono all undergrad classes are useless
Pharm wasn't. Biochem wasn't. Anatomy, physiology, immunology, nutrition, molecular biology, microbiology weren't either. Med school is hard, but its a bit easier with a good foundation. Solid conceptual understanding of basic sciences will help you understand medical school.

And even classes that I haven't used in medical school broadened my horizons and taught me something. Obviously there are some useless hoops to jump through in undergrad, but in my experience they were fairly minimal, and SDN seems to swing way too far in the direction of "OMG if this didn't prepare me for medical school it was a waste of precious life!!1!1!"
 
Undergrad should be treated as a last chance to take courses where you find the topic to be interesting. Once you're in med school that opportunity will no longer exist.
 
Okay, I'm sorry I took it that way. I suppose I am a little bitter on the subject. All I initially said was that it was a shame that the harder work doesn't matter to med admissions (or at least until the interview really). I don't believe I'm necessarily owed anything (no one is), but forgive me in the mean time if I'm perturbed about an annoying situation.

Well, there's a difference between harder work and more work. There's no reason to make something artificially hard but doing a lot of it when you might gain more intellectual, emotional, financial reward doing less or something different. It's tough because we are taught in school to think that hard work deserves a reward or that it proves merit but it really does not. It is more worthwhile to be very selective with how one spends their time rather than slaving away for nothing. You have your own reasons for doing what you did and that's fine but I still urge you to find a better way.
 
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