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Hey gamerEMdoc, I hope I’m not asking a redundant question (I’ve read through some of the recent posts before asking). Basically I am an IMG with decent step scores in the 240s, I had 2 SLOEs by October 1 that I’m pretty sure are at least top 1/3, I was an EM scribe before med school and I’ve got a bit of research experience. So far I’ve only got 2 interviews from auditions. I know you’ve said to wait until Nov 1 for LOIs, but is that just a recommendation for US students or does this apply to us IMGs as well? I’ve only received 1 rejection of the 140ish programs I applied to so I’m just completely unsure where my application is sitting right now. Any advice would be appreciated as far as waiting until November, or sending some LOIs now, etc. Thanks!

I would guess that many programs filter out IMGs in general. So if you want your app to be considered, you may need to send some LOIs. The yield will still oftentimes be low, the number of programs that match IMGs for EM is pretty low these days.
 
Hey gamerEMdoc, thanks so much again for doing this -- helps add some clarity to a stressful process. In regards to LOIs, around what time should we be submitting them? You mentioned earlier that you really only have one shot at it, so I don't want to email too early on. But at the same time, I don't want to submit too late when there's no interviews available. Also, in regards to content, is it just pretty much highlighting what you like about the program and how you'll be a good fit there? I've only gotten IIs from places I auditioned at so far and applied broadly, so panicking a little bit right now.

Content: having something that makes it look like genuine interest is a nice touch. describe something unique about the program that makes you want to end up there (so it doesnt just look like a copy and paste job sent to 200 places).

Maybe you have relatives in the region, previously lived in the area, have visited there, are interested in a fellowship they have after residency, etc. Find something that can let the program know you are genuinely interested and not just copying the same email 200 times.

When to do it? Idk theres no magic to this. Usually people can dig up a handful of interviews in early Nov with strategic emails, and personally I think waiting makes the most sense for people with most of their invites already. For those with few, if any, you may want to send some to the places you view as your best shots a little earlier, maybe during acep if you arent going to the fair and meeting those programs directly.
 
Content: having something that makes it look like genuine interest is a nice touch. describe something unique about the program that makes you want to end up there (so it doesnt just look like a copy and paste job sent to 200 places).

Maybe you have relatives in the region, previously lived in the area, have visited there, are interested in a fellowship they have after residency, etc. Find something that can let the program know you are genuinely interested and not just copying the same email 200 times.

When to do it? Idk theres no magic to this. Usually people can dig up a handful of interviews in early Nov with strategic emails, and personally I think waiting makes the most sense for people with most of their invites already. For those with few, if any, you may want to send some to the places you view as your best shots a little earlier, maybe during acep if you arent going to the fair and meeting those programs directly.
Am I gonna look like a slob at the residency fair in slacks, untucked button-down w/o a jacket?
 
****ed up my interview with the PD (couldn't answer questions, etc), did pretty well with the rest. How ****ed am i?

The interview is a huge part of the rank process in my opinion. That being said, this is one interview and has no bearing on how any other program will view you. Assuming you have more, you just move on and learn from it.
 
Seeing as you say interviews are a huge part of the rank process, what exactly would put someone into the "top 1/3" on their interview performance? Am I wrong to assume the vast majority (greater than 80%) of candidates are going to be able to hold a conversation and provide a solid answer for most if not all questions about why EM, why this program, ect...? It seems like it would be so hard to stand out in a conversational "get to know you" type of interview to the extent you would greatly increase your rank order. All I can think of is that it is more of a nonspecific "vibe" type thing so if you are a good fit for the program personality wise it will just happen by being yourself? I guess I am just curious if it really is that subjective or if you "lose points" for certain specific things. Thanks!
 
Seeing as you say interviews are a huge part of the rank process, what exactly would put someone into the "top 1/3" on their interview performance? Am I wrong to assume the vast majority (greater than 80%) of candidates are going to be able to hold a conversation and provide a solid answer for most if not all questions about why EM, why this program, ect...? It seems like it would be so hard to stand out in a conversational "get to know you" type of interview to the extent you would greatly increase your rank order. All I can think of is that it is more of a nonspecific "vibe" type thing so if you are a good fit for the program personality wise it will just happen by being yourself? I guess I am just curious if it really is that subjective or if you "lose points" for certain specific things. Thanks!

You’d think so, but you would be wrong. Some people really stumble through the interview. Other than having decent Insight into EM you are trying to get to know the person, their interests, and how they will fit with your program.

I will say, if you rotated at a place, the interview is probably less important since they got extended time getting to know you and their opinion of you is formed over a month, not 20 minutes. The interview is much more important for those candidates that didnt rotate IMO.
 
Is taking step 2 CS at the end of November too late? I otherwise have good a step 1 and CK
 
You definitely want it to be back by rank list time. I’d want my Step 2 back by January at the latest.
The website says I have a 98-99% chance of having my score back by February 12, but possibly by the last Wednesday of January. Haven't been able to find anything earlier.
 
Should I email programs when I get my results back If I end up not having it back until mid February?
 
Question....how appropriate is it to cold call programs and ask them to pull your app and look at it now? Not asking for myself but the guy I’m rooming with on this rotation is currently doing this due to lack of interviews. He’s pretty sure he’s got a bad sloe but is basing it off his eval which he said had some pretty negative comments, to which he’s claiming the residents “threw him under the bus” so idk. I feel bad for the guy, but to an extent.
 
Question....how appropriate is it to cold call programs and ask them to pull your app and look at it now? Not asking for myself but the guy I’m rooming with on this rotation is currently doing this due to lack of interviews. He’s pretty sure he’s got a bad sloe but is basing it off his eval which he said had some pretty negative comments, to which he’s claiming the residents “threw him under the bus” so idk. I feel bad for the guy, but to an extent.

Wait, so he is calling programs and asking them to pull his app and look at it right now?! And he is wondering why he has a bad sloe?

Its ok to call program coordinators and state you are really interested in the program and would appreciate consideration. Personally, I'd just email, its easier. But calling and being demanding is 100% going to get you in the "no way I'm interviewing that person" list.
 
Wait, so he is calling programs and asking them to pull his app and look at it right now?! And he is wondering why he has a bad sloe?

Its ok to call program coordinators and state you are really interested in the program and would appreciate consideration. Personally, I'd just email, its easier. But calling and being demanding is 100% going to get you in the "no way I'm interviewing that person" list.
Yeah...so I wanted to tell him that it’s probably poor form to do this but I also have 4 weeks of living in the same room, on the same rotation with this guy so......
 
Yeah...so I wanted to tell him that it’s probably poor form to do this but I also have 4 weeks of living in the same room, on the same rotation with this guy so......

One less person to compete with for interviews...
 
Yeah...so I wanted to tell him that it’s probably poor form to do this but I also have 4 weeks of living in the same room, on the same rotation with this guy so......
Gunners gunna gun man.
 
Gunners gunna gun man.

Yep. They can't help but expose their psychopathology. They can get SLOEs that say they are overbearing or impossible to train, get few if any invites, and their answer is to double down and get more aggressive instead of looking in the mirror and realizing the way they are approaching people makes programs run away from them.
 
Always cool to meet some of the sdn folks at the fair or on the interview trail. I hope everyone had a successful fair. Of course, ERAS is down all weekend, so I cant look at any apps today, otherwise I was ready to sit down and start reviewing everyone I met todays app.
 
Always cool to meet some of the sdn folks at the fair or on the interview trail. I hope everyone had a successful fair. Of course, ERAS is down all weekend, so I cant look at any apps today, otherwise I was ready to sit down and start reviewing everyone I met todays app.
Dude, great to match a face to a name! Enjoying an Upslope Brewing Craft Lager right now!
 
Hey gamerEMdoc, thanks for fielding so many questions. I find myself in a bit of an unfortunate situation.

How do you view aberrant SLOEs? I have a suspicion that one of my 3 SLOEs is either poor or has negative comments on it, despite my other 2 being Honors with very strong comments. I could go on about my experience at that institution and the clerkship director responsible for the SLOEs but I will just say that it was written and uploaded during my 3rd week, I was only ever given good feedback, and there was an unprofessional racially-based "joke" I was subjected to by the clerkship director. I would later come to see negative comments on my school evaluation completed some time after my 4 week rotation there.

Unfortunately I trusted this person and uploaded the sloe as soon as it came out, so it was 1/2 of my SLOEs in my initial application. Since then, I've gotten vague questions about this specific program from interviewers as well as rejections from programs that are known to be very generous to students from my school.
 
First off, may I say I'm sorry you had that happen to you. To answer your question:

I look at SLOEs as a whole. Usually there is a consensus despite sometimes there being outliers if there is more than 2. You may see 2 top 1/3s and a low 1/3, and if that's the case I'm assuming that candidate is somewhere between a top 1/3 and middle 1/3 candidate. But if I see a mid 1/3 and two low 1/3 sloes, then I'm assuming that person is probably truly a low 1/3 candidate (since I know most programs tend to overrate more than underrate.

My overall point is, one SLOE doesn't wreck you if others are good.
 
Hey @gamerEMdoc

I've got possibly a silly or even an un-answerable question: what could be some signs or indications that a medical student, like me, should pursue emergency medicine? I don't have an elective available to me anymore, so I've been coming into the local ED (community setting, low-acuity) to do shifts with an attending on my off-days from my actual scheduled rotations, and so far I've done 8 shifts already (weekdays, weekends, a few overnights). I get to see around 4 pts usually, follow-up on labs, and go in and discuss with the pt, etc. I've even done some IVs and helped with bedside ultrasound. I've liked it so far, but recognize my attending is risk-stratifying which patients I can see on my own while he tends to the more emergent cases which is totally understandable. In addition to being a scribe previously at a community ED, level II trauma for about 8 months before medical school, I feel I have somewhat a basic understanding of the specialty when taken altogether. Since I don't have an electives anymore for third-year, my goal has been to do enough shifts until December to equal what an EM elective would have been (so around 20 shifts I am estimating), and then make a decision around then I suppose. But, there has not been some "Aha" moment, or like some encounter that has crystallized or revealed that emergency medicine is right for me. Frankly, I think the reason why I've enjoyed coming to the ED on my off-days or weekends, is that the attending actually lets me do H&Ps and gives autonomy to students, like me, which I have not been experiencing with my other rotations as much. It's also possible that I am romanticizing this idea of falling in love with a specialty -- I'm not sure if I will ever have that feeling with any specialty (I've had the opposite feeling, of absolutely not enjoying certain fields, like surgery and psychiatry). And, it's also possible I may be getting cold feet because if I decide to go all-in for EM I suppose I'll always have some FOMO of the few other specialties that interested me, eg. anesthesiology, IR. Do you ever get that even as an attending, on what your life as a physician would have been like if you pursued such and such? Any recommendations or guidance on how to help me make as informed a decision on this as possible? This is kind of stream-of-conscious post, but I've struggled to come up with a cohesive thought process with deciding on a specialty -- it all seems rushed for a M3 to decide on something fairly significant!
 
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Hey @gamerEMdoc

I've got possibly a silly or even an un-answerable question: what could be some signs or indications that a medical student, like me, should pursue emergency medicine? I don't have an elective available to me anymore, so I've been coming into the local ED (community setting, low-acuity) to do shifts with an attending on my off-days from my actual scheduled rotations, and so far I've done 8 shifts already (weekdays, weekends, a few overnights). I get to see around 4 pts usually, follow-up on labs, and go in and discuss with the pt, etc. I've even done some IVs and helped with bedside ultrasound. I've liked it so far, but recognize my attending is risk-stratifying which patients I can see on my own while he tends to the more emergent cases which is totally understandable. In addition to being a scribe previously at a community ED, level II trauma for about 8 months before medical school, I feel I have somewhat a basic understanding of the specialty when taken altogether. Since I don't have an electives anymore for third-year, my goal has been to do enough shifts until December to equal what an EM elective would have been (so around 20 shifts I am estimating), and then make a decision around then I suppose. But, there has not been some "Aha" moment, or like some encounter that has crystallized or revealed that emergency medicine is right for me. Frankly, I think the reason why I've enjoyed coming to the ED on my off-days or weekends, is that the attending actually lets me do H&Ps and gives autonomy to students, like me, which I have not been experiencing with my other rotations as much. It's also possible that I am romanticizing this idea of falling in love with a specialty -- I'm not sure if I will ever have that feeling with any specialty (I've had the opposite feeling, of absolutely not enjoying certain fields, like surgery and psychiatry). And, it's also possible I may be getting cold feet because if I decide to go all-in for EM I suppose I'll always have some FOMO of the few other specialties that interested me, eg. anesthesiology, IR. Do you ever get that even as an attending, on what your life as a physician would have been like if you pursued such and such? Any recommendations or guidance on how to help me make as informed a decision on this as possible? This is kind of stream-of-conscious post, but I've struggled to come up with a cohesive thought process with deciding on a specialty -- it all seems rushed for a M3 to decide on something fairly significant!

Oh man, great questions here, honestly.

For me, EM didn't come as an "AHA!" moment where I rotated and knew from the first second thats what I should do. I liked EM, more than most of my rotations, but it wasn't overwhelming in one direction. I liked IM, critical care, I liked procedures but hated the OR and the life of being on a surgery service, and I liked most of my inpatient rotations like inpatient Peds along with medicine subspecialties. I also liked OB. So there wasn't one overwhelmingly positive EM experience, combined with negative experiences elsewhere, to truly push me in that direction.

For me, the biggest deciding factor was the undifferentiated patient. I love solving mysteries. i love figuring out cases. And nowhere do you get that to the degree that EM has. Most inpatient cases are already worked up and diagnosed. I went to medical school because in part I loved solving cases, and the ED for me was where I found that the most.

So as for the aspects of the field in terms of weighing what you may like or don't like. Some of these may be positives for some, negatives for others. The more of these that are a "positive" for you, rather than a negative, the more likely you'll enjoy EM as a specialty:

1. Undifferentiated cases. Rarely do patients show up with their diagnosis in hand before you even see them.
2. No idea what is coming in the door next and no control of what you get to see. Which means you will have to be the doctor for people no one else wants to see (peds rape cases, drug seekers, violent drunks, etc)
3. Short-term patient involvement means even if you dont like treating a patient, they are only yours for a short amount of time
4. Lots of resources available; no dealing with insurance preauths, etc
5. 24/7 operation means shift work, night shifts, working holidays, etc. And even if you like working weird shifts, your family may/may not like it.
6. Lots of procedures that are relatively quick
7. It's a true team field. You will work closely with nurses, techs, clerks, etc around the clock.
8. High stress field when you are on
9. Hours worked clinically less than many other fields and its a fairly lucrative field for the number of work hours
10. Constant interruptions while at work; focus and multi-tasking are essential to success
11. No call. Ever.
12. We get to say "clear" before shocking people. Just like on TV. And sometimes it works and the patients wake up. And snatching a life from the jaws of death is a high.
13. People die. All the time. You have to be ok with that.
14. It's a customer service field and you are the front door for the hospital.
15. Metrics. If you are a baseball player, you have to be ok that someone is measuring your BA, RBIs, OPS, WAR, etc. EM is the same. Tons of metrics that corporate medicine invents to try and measure your efficiency and productivity.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there are plenty more factors I didn't think of.
 
Hey @gamerEMdoc

I've got possibly a silly or even an un-answerable question: what could be some signs or indications that a medical student, like me, should pursue emergency medicine? I don't have an elective available to me anymore, so I've been coming into the local ED (community setting, low-acuity) to do shifts with an attending on my off-days from my actual scheduled rotations, and so far I've done 8 shifts already (weekdays, weekends, a few overnights). I get to see around 4 pts usually, follow-up on labs, and go in and discuss with the pt, etc. I've even done some IVs and helped with bedside ultrasound. I've liked it so far, but recognize my attending is risk-stratifying which patients I can see on my own while he tends to the more emergent cases which is totally understandable. In addition to being a scribe previously at a community ED, level II trauma for about 8 months before medical school, I feel I have somewhat a basic understanding of the specialty when taken altogether. Since I don't have an electives anymore for third-year, my goal has been to do enough shifts until December to equal what an EM elective would have been (so around 20 shifts I am estimating), and then make a decision around then I suppose. But, there has not been some "Aha" moment, or like some encounter that has crystallized or revealed that emergency medicine is right for me. Frankly, I think the reason why I've enjoyed coming to the ED on my off-days or weekends, is that the attending actually lets me do H&Ps and gives autonomy to students, like me, which I have not been experiencing with my other rotations as much. It's also possible that I am romanticizing this idea of falling in love with a specialty -- I'm not sure if I will ever have that feeling with any specialty (I've had the opposite feeling, of absolutely not enjoying certain fields, like surgery and psychiatry). And, it's also possible I may be getting cold feet because if I decide to go all-in for EM I suppose I'll always have some FOMO of the few other specialties that interested me, eg. anesthesiology, IR. Do you ever get that even as an attending, on what your life as a physician would have been like if you pursued such and such? Any recommendations or guidance on how to help me make as informed a decision on this as possible? This is kind of stream-of-conscious post, but I've struggled to come up with a cohesive thought process with deciding on a specialty -- it all seems rushed for a M3 to decide on something fairly significant!

I don't have anything meaningful to add other than please don't do 20 shifts in a month haha; you still have school to focus on. The average EM rotation is only 10-14 shifts.
 
Oh man, great questions here, honestly.

For me, EM didn't come as an "AHA!" moment where I rotated and knew from the first second thats what I should do. I liked EM, more than most of my rotations, but it wasn't overwhelming in one direction. I liked IM, critical care, I liked procedures but hated the OR and the life of being on a surgery service, and I liked most of my inpatient rotations like inpatient Peds along with medicine subspecialties. I also liked OB. So there wasn't one overwhelmingly positive EM experience, combined with negative experiences elsewhere, to truly push me in that direction.

For me, the biggest deciding factor was the undifferentiated patient. I love solving mysteries. i love figuring out cases. And nowhere do you get that to the degree that EM has. Most inpatient cases are already worked up and diagnosed. I went to medical school because in part I loved solving cases, and the ED for me was where I found that the most.

So as for the aspects of the field in terms of weighing what you may like or don't like. Some of these may be positives for some, negatives for others. The more of these that are a "positive" for you, rather than a negative, the more likely you'll enjoy EM as a specialty:

1. Undifferentiated cases. Rarely do patients show up with their diagnosis in hand before you even see them.
2. No idea what is coming in the door next and no control of what you get to see. Which means you will have to be the doctor for people no one else wants to see (peds rape cases, drug seekers, violent drunks, etc)
3. Short-term patient involvement means even if you dont like treating a patient, they are only yours for a short amount of time
4. Lots of resources available; no dealing with insurance preauths, etc
5. 24/7 operation means shift work, night shifts, working holidays, etc. And even if you like working weird shifts, your family may/may not like it.
6. Lots of procedures that are relatively quick
7. It's a true team field. You will work closely with nurses, techs, clerks, etc around the clock.
8. High stress field when you are on
9. Hours worked clinically less than many other fields and its a fairly lucrative field for the number of work hours
10. Constant interruptions while at work; focus and multi-tasking are essential to success
11. No call. Ever.
12. We get to say "clear" before shocking people. Just like on TV. And sometimes it works and the patients wake up. And snatching a life from the jaws of death is a high.
13. People die. All the time. You have to be ok with that.
14. It's a customer service field and you are the front door for the hospital.
15. Metrics. If you are a baseball player, you have to be ok that someone is measuring your BA, RBIs, OPS, WAR, etc. EM is the same. Tons of metrics that corporate medicine invents to try and measure your efficiency and productivity.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there are plenty more factors I didn't think of.

Thanks for the breakdown. I mean, truthfully, out of those 15 I'd say most of them I like and/or am comfortable being part of my attending life. Hmmm, I will however run by some of these points with my attending whenever I go back for another shift to get his input too! If I think of anymore Qs, I'll be sure to seek out your thoughts!
 
I don't have anything meaningful to add other than please don't do 20 shifts in a month haha; you still have school to focus on. The average EM rotation is only 10-14 shifts.

Oh no that would be brutal. No, my goal is to do 20 total shifts by late December and I've already done 8 already, but that is good to know about the average # of shifts in an EM rotation since I was totally ignorant as to what a med student would experience either third year or on an audition.
 
Hi gamerEMdoc, thanks for all the insight and information that you provide and thank you for taking the time to answer questions from neurotic med students like myself.

When it comes time to rank the candidates, is it predominately based on the interview, or does the ranking heavily weigh SLOEs, Step 1/2, etc.? I am hoping that by being granted an interview, the program has decided that my numbers and grades are good enough for their residency program and is now evaluating candidate fit. Additionally I think I might have 1 bad SLOE and I am hoping I don't fall to the bottom of the rank list of each program because of that SLOE, even if I do get 10 interviews.
 
Thats going to be very program dependent. Some use a scoring system for different parts of the app. Thats what I do, with the most weight going to sloes, then interview, then boards, then things like class quartile, 3rd year grades, leadership, etc. Each section is weighted for importance. That gives out a total candidate score and thats where we start for our rank list, but then we subjectively move people up and down a little from there based on fit.
 
Do you think the LOI is the same as the post-interview communication from the program. Both program, and applicant are sending out these emails. Without us really being able to trust their content, or know how many people also got them. Guess it's just a sign of the times.
 
Do you think the LOI is the same as the post-interview communication from the program. Both program, and applicant are sending out these emails. Without us really being able to trust their content, or know how many people also got them. Guess it's just a sign of the times.

LOIs are useless. Most post-IV communication, even from PDs is useless. The only time I'd even consider it a positive is the 1-3 weeks before rank lists are due when PDs are contacting applicants directly about their interest. Even then they can mean nothing as it is program dependent. Some places send out "You'll be ranked highly" to the top 25% of the programs rank list or contrast to some places that call their top few applicants only.
 
LOIs are useless. Most post-IV communication, even from PDs is useless. The only time I'd even consider it a positive is the 1-3 weeks before rank lists are due when PDs are contacting applicants directly about their interest. Even then they can mean nothing as it is program dependent. Some places send out "You'll be ranked highly" to the top 25% of the programs rank list or contrast to some places that call their top few applicants only.

Programs should rank candidates in the order they want them, not based on their perceived interest by the candidates (LOIs)

Candidates should rank programs in the order they want to go to them, not based on their perceived interest by the programs (LOIs)

LOIs are a fine gesture, but shouldn't change how programs or candidates make their list.
 
LOIs are useless. Most post-IV communication, even from PDs is useless. The only time I'd even consider it a positive is the 1-3 weeks before rank lists are due when PDs are contacting applicants directly about their interest. Even then they can mean nothing as it is program dependent. Some places send out "You'll be ranked highly" to the top 25% of the programs rank list or contrast to some places that call their top few applicants only.

Yup, that’s my point. A gentle reminder to not believe the emails we will start getting a couple months from now. Just more emails in the ether.
 
Don't believe a thing these programs say. I know people who were sent personalized Christmas cards from the program who went on to not match with them. All mind games.
Yup, that’s my point. A gentle reminder to not believe the emails we will start getting a couple months from now. Just more emails in the ether.

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Don't believe a thing these programs say. I know people who were sent personalized Christmas cards from the program who went on to not match with them. All mind games.

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I agree that both sides should take what each says with a grain of salt. There are definitely honest people on both sides in this process, but the ones that lie make it so no one can believe what anyone says.

However, in this example, the program may not have lied. Sending a Christmas card is hardly a lie. Even if it said we’ll be ranking you highly. Sometimes you just match higher than usual. Sometimes lower. The match is unpredictable. So if you on average always go to the middle of your list, and you have someone in the top 1/3, you are in fact ranking that person high on your list and they should match. But if the stars align and you match much higher than typical in a given year, the program wasn’t lying, they just matched better than anticipated.

Unfortunately, no one ever knows what actually happened in these situations. The only way you know if a program or student lied is if they told you “you are ranked to match” or a student says “I’m ranking you #1” and there isn’t a match. And this definitely happens. It’s usually 1-2 people a year that contact us to say they are ranking us #1 that don’t show up on our list. Hell I had a student last year that probably emailed and said this at least 5 times or more, and we went below his spot on our list and didn’t match him. You just have to take these comments with a grain of salt, and not change what you do based on them. My frustration with this post-interview emails is that there is real fear that if you don’t send out emails as a program/student, that it will hurt you because the other side will take that as disinterest. There isn’t any data that I know of to back that up. But the one year we didn’t send out any, we had our lowest match statistically. It may not have had anything to do with it, but it gives you a fear as a program that by not reaching out, students will take that as disinterest. I know students feel the same way. It’s all silly, and while its not a match violation, its not in the spirit of the intent of the match IMO.
 
Just had the PD of a program I'm currently rotating at (and from which I have not yet received an interview) tell me that it's still early...is this really the case, or is he/she just trying to be nice? FWIW the program has already interviewed at least 1-2 rounds of applicants...it's kinda awkward working in the ED and seeing a tour group of interviewees come through.
 
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