end of another year

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any fun plans to celebrate the end of another year? well the end of my intern year? in path, the PGY years are more similar than in other specialties, but thought it'd be a good excuse for a nice dinner or something. does anyone mark the June 30th holiday?

 

[Thrombus]

I view it quite differently.

500 or so new graduates looking for a job, competing for my job, or being leveraged against my job/reimbursement by hospitals, insurance companies, other physicians, the federal government.

500 or so new medical students entering a career that is already oversaturated because they enjoy it.

Hey I enjoyed athletics at one time but it held no future for me. People need to get the honest memo. Currently they are getting the deceitful one from lazy academics so they will have a stable supply of gross monkeys.

 

[WEBB PINKERTON]

Remember, EVERYONE will find a job. Thats all that matters. 🙄

People following "their dream" or doing what they love has gotten this country in the mess its in. We badly need more engineers where I live. The town has been taken over by Lakhwinders and Sandeeps in recent years but I cant blame the companies because US students are too busy studying subjects with no demand.

 

[Thrombus]

Remember, EVERYONE will find a job. Thats all that matters. 🙄

People following "their dream" or doing what they love has gotten this country in the mess its in. We badly need more engineers where I live. The town has been taken over by Lakhwinders and Sandeeps in recent years but I cant blame the companies because US students are too busy studying subjects with no demand.

LOL I compare academic pathologists to academics in general who encourage people to get degrees in things such as "political science", "english", "journalism", "communications", "sociology", "psychology" for 6 figures (+) of debt and four years of life. Might as well get a degree in underwater basket weaving (or pathology ).

 

[rollwithit]

Remember, EVERYONE will find a job. Thats all that matters. 🙄

People following "their dream" or doing what they love has gotten this country in the mess its in. We badly need more engineers where I live. The town has been taken over by Lakhwinders and Sandeeps in recent years but I cant blame the companies because US students are too busy studying subjects with no demand.

Why are you a pathologist and not an engineer?

 

[Thrombus]

Why are you a pathologist and not an engineer?

I will take a stab at it and say WEBBPINKERTON was probably hoodwinked by an academic pathologist when deciding what field of medicine to enter. A decade out of college and 15 years from deciding he/she wanted to become a doctor (with a several hundred K in the hole) is a little too late to decide to become an engineer

Ya think?😎

 

[rollwithit]

I will take a stab at it and say WEBBPINKERTON was probably hoodwinked by an academic pathologist when deciding what field of medicine to enter. A decade out of college and 15 years from deciding he/she wanted to become a doctor (with a several hundred K in the hole) is a little too late to decide to become an engineer

Ya think?😎

If somebody gets hoodwinked into pathology and subsequently get pissed off they aren't at the top of the medicine food chain, it's their own damn fault.

 

[gbwillner]

I will take a stab at it and say WEBBPINKERTON was probably hoodwinked by an academic pathologist when deciding what field of medicine to enter. A decade out of college and 15 years from deciding he/she wanted to become a doctor (with a several hundred K in the hole) is a little too late to decide to become an engineer

Ya think?😎

I'm sure WEBBPINKERTON is crying himself/herself to sleep every day over his/her career choice in his/her office chair where he/she makes ~$150-400K/yr without having to as much as lift his/her ass off the chair for more than a potty break from 9AM to 4PM.

 

[2121115]

I view it quite differently.

500 or so new graduates looking for a job, competing for my job, or being leveraged against my job/reimbursement by hospitals, insurance companies, other physicians, the federal government.

500 or so new medical students entering a career that is already oversaturated because they enjoy it.

Hey I enjoyed athletics at one time but it held no future for me. People need to get the honest memo. Currently they are getting the deceitful one from lazy academics so they will have a stable supply of gross monkeys.

Yes, yes, and yes.

 

[Path or bust]

I view it quite differently.

500 or so new graduates looking for a job, competing for my job, or being leveraged against my job/reimbursement by hospitals, insurance companies, other physicians, the federal government.

500 or so new medical students entering a career that is already oversaturated because they enjoy it.

Hey I enjoyed athletics at one time but it held no future for me. People need to get the honest memo. Currently they are getting the deceitful one from lazy academics so they will have a stable supply of gross monkeys.

👍

 

[Thrombus]

I'm sure WEBBPINKERTON is crying himself/herself to sleep every day over his/her career choice in his/her office chair where he/she makes ~$150-400K/yr without having to as much as lift his/her ass off the chair for more than a potty break from 9AM to 4PM.

Say you are making 250K and your family is enjoying the community and you are enjoying your "potty break" - you are doing 500-600K of COLLECTABLE work; hospital admin/corporate comes in and says take 210K and do even more work or we are hiring someone else, in fact we have them lined up for interviews. What do you do (this is a real life scenario that I and others I know can relate to)? - keep in mind inflation - commodities went through the roof in 2011 -- and keep in mind this scenario will likely play out many more times during your career regardless of your decision.

 

[gbwillner]

Say you are making 250K and your family is enjoying the community and you are enjoying your "potty break" - you are doing 500-600K of COLLECTABLE work; hospital admin/corporate comes in and says take 210K and do even more work or we are hiring someone else, in fact we have them lined up for interviews. What do you do (this is a real life scenario that I and others I know can relate to)? - keep in mind inflation - commodities went through the roof in 2011 -- and keep in mind this scenario will likely play out many more times during your career regardless of your decision.

I guess I would biatch about it ad nauseum on an internet forum.

I think everyone is getting pinched in this economy. We are not the exception. If you want more unrestricted sources of income I know there are private practices in montana desperate to pay you 100% of what you think you are worth.

 

[pathstudent]

Say you are making 250K and your family is enjoying the community and you are enjoying your "potty break" - you are doing 500-600K of COLLECTABLE work; hospital admin/corporate comes in and says take 210K and do even more work or we are hiring someone else, in fact we have them lined up for interviews. What do you do (this is a real life scenario that I and others I know can relate to)? - keep in mind inflation - commodities went through the roof in 2011 -- and keep in mind this scenario will likely play out many more times during your career regardless of your decision.

RIght that is the difference between being a sedentary clam (pathologist) vs being a shark (subspecialty surgeon). You are powerless as a clam. If the tide subsides at the hospital you are at, you are ****ed as you are desparate for the food supply from the O.R.s. You have no way of obtaining food otherwise. A shark can swim to another hospital and bring patients to that hospital. That is why busy surgeons get inducements to bring their cases to a hospital (i.e. BS title like pay 30k a year to be "director of robotic surgery") while pathologists get forced into taking lowball salary offers.

 

[rollwithit]

RIght that is the difference between being a sedentary clam (pathologist) vs being a shark (subspecialty surgeon). You are powerless as a clam. If the tide subsides at the hospital you are at, you are ****ed as you are desparate for the food supply from the O.R.s. You have no way of obtaining food otherwise. A shark can swim to another hospital and bring patients to that hospital. That is why busy surgeons get inducements to bring their cases to a hospital (i.e. BS title like pay 30k a year to be "director of robotic surgery") while pathologists get forced into taking lowball salary offers.

True, but if you weren't aware of these differences going into pathology, you're an idiot or incredibly naive.

 

[pathstudent]

True, but if you weren't aware of these differences going into pathology, you're an idiot or incredibly naive.

I might be an idiot and I might be incredibly naive, but I went into pathology because I found it most interesting. I had know idea about the reality of contracts, tc, pc, outpatient vs hospital and billing. I had no idea that the urologists and gastroenterologists could pay you 25% of your professional charge and they could pocket the rest, plus they could make the lucrative profit from making slides. I had no idea that procedure oriented physicians would be bribed by hospitals for their services while pathologists would be treated like housekeeping. I had no idea. I went into path because I loved it.

But i wasn't one of those antisocial introverted asberger med students who hated all the clinical rotations. I enjoyed everything.

Yes I am better off than most Americans. Yes I am doing a job I really enjoy. But I could have enjoyed a lot of things. And there is a big discrepancy between different specialties regarding pay, job security and respect. Much more so than what surveys show.

 

[path24]

I think this is why there is a lot of complaining/ranting about the pathology job market on here. Educate med students on how crappy the business side of pathology is. Gotta try and drill hope that it is a very tough market place for jobs and specimens (hence, stay away from pathology). Being a good pathologist doesn't mean much, who has the contract and will they actually share? With the oversupply, why would anyone share. Good or bad pathologist...you are easily replaced.

 

[Ishie1013]

Our program is quite social. We had an end of the year party to say hi to the new residents and fellows and goodbye to the fourth years and old fellows. This coincided with the whole hospital mixer so we could party hop to hit on members of more lucrative specialties. 😉

And there's always an open bar.

I didn't feel very "WOOO END OF INTERN YEAR!" though, I must say. Certainly nothing like second year med or fourth year med. I've been on CP for the last few months so I've felt particularly un intern-like. I'm just sad to lose my idiot excuse at tumor board.