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for applying to endocrine fellowship
what all the program director needs?

if i have cardiology research can it help me in endocrine application?

other thing is as an endocrinoligst,hows the lifestyle?
what all cases do they see?is it outpt or inpt?
do they hv to work as hospiitalist too to survive and to earn?
 
for applying to endocrine fellowship
what all the program director needs?

if i have cardiology research can it help me in endocrine application?

other thing is as an endocrinoligst,hows the lifestyle?
what all cases do they see?is it outpt or inpt?
do they hv to work as hospiitalist too to survive and to earn?


There are no real requirements. They just want to see someone who is interested and looks willing to work hard and learn. Here is some hints from someone who just finished fellowship.
1. Always say you are interested in academics. Even if you want to go into private practice (like I am now). The fellowships are moving toward trying to keep fellows on as faculty and they don't want to waste too much time training people who don't stay. You can always change your mind later (I did).

2. Know something about recent Endo research before you go for the interview

3. get letters of rec that are meaningful. Program director, cardiology, Endo...that's fine

Yes cards research is fine. Cards is part of endocrine...we do a lot of HTN, CAD risk factors, and metabolic syndrome.

You really need to know someone who has influence...either at the fellowship you're interested in or is known.

There are now fewer endocrine spots because of funding, so you have more competition.

Life style is great. But pay is less than a hospitalist. I see 10-15 patients a day, my call is 1 week in 6 weeks in the group, I get maybe 4-5 inpatient consults a week, and I have most weekends off. My private practice only takes PPO insurance, or out of network, and of course cash. If you work for an HMO you have to see more patients than this...up to 40 a day in order to make money. I do not do Internal Medicine...it's 100% endocrinology. But some places make you do IM, and you sometimes get "screwed" and end up doing more IM than endo...so you need to be careful when getting a job.

Academics doesn't pay. I was offered $110K at an academic center...and also required to do research.

good luck.
 
thanks a lot for reply
but this wasnt i expected...earn less than hospitalist? wow
this is subspecialty..

anyways..cant u do ur clinics and take lecture in an academic center once in a while...can we do that or we need to be full time academician?

thanks again
 
I think endogal makes many great points - thanks! Just to address the issue of compensation:

1. Academics: definitely agree that pay is rather pathetic *sigh* - but remember, there are many upsides to academic medicine. I'm seriously considering this route.

2. Private practice: there are plenty of jobs that offer 190-250K + sign-on bonus (15-30K) + relocation (10-15K). However, they are typically in suburbs (sometimes almost rural) and not necessarily in close proximity to a major metropolitan area. I even received an offer for 300K (and in a decent area/city). However, you will probably be seeing more like 20-40 pts/day and you will be transitioned to productivity after a couple of years (not sure if that is better or worse).

3. "Hybrid": you could also look for positions based at university-affiliated/community programs. This gives you some academic benefits and a bit better pay. Probably not great for bench research - but may work for clinical research (?)
 
How much research do applicants have typically before they apply? If one knows that they definitely want to do endo, do you have recommendations of what they should do from the very beginning?
Also, how typical is it for endos to do procedures (thyroid biopsies or US) themselves?
I do hear that they can make less than general internists. This makes no sense to me. Why???
 
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