Endoscopic CABG

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Looks off pump too me.
 
Beating heart on the pump. The groins are cannulated.
 
At the beginning of the video they say the patient will be going on pump.
 
Oh, ok. I guess I should have turned my speakers on.

Sorry
 
This is another way to turn a simple everyday type of procedure into a big deal that costs more money, takes more time, and requires twice as many people.
I think the only advantage of this procedure is that the surgeon gets to wear these cool headphones and play video games in the OR while everyone else is working!
 
beating heart, no cardioplegia risk, smaller incisions, shorter hospital stay, lower post-op complication risk, lower infection rate, faster recovery, less pain... yes, the surgeon is the only one who gets to enjoy the advantages. 🙄
 
Nevermind... Should have looked at the video first!
 
beating heart, no cardioplegia risk, smaller incisions, shorter hospital stay, lower post-op complication risk, lower infection rate, faster recovery, less pain... yes, the surgeon is the only one who gets to enjoy the advantages. 🙄
All these advantages that you are imagining remain to be scientifically studied and above all the long term complications and mortality need to be evaluated, including the percentage of graft secondary occlusion, and the need for re-operation, until then it's all B.S. and impressive only to new guys like you.🙄
 
All these advantages that you are imagining remain to be scientifically studied and above all the long term complications and mortality need to be evaluated, including the percentage of graft secondary occlusion, and the need for re-operation, until then it's all B.S. and impressive only to new guys like you.🙄

imagining? how long, on average, are your post-CABG patients staying in the sicu let alone the hospital?

BACKGROUND: Minimimal access multivessel coronary artery bypass grafting with same day hospital discharge remains the ultimate goal. We evaluated the feasibility for achieving multivessel coronary bypass through minimal access. METHODS: From January to July 2003, 30 patients under went off-pump minimally invasive multivessel coronary bypass. Internal mammary arteries were harvested with robotic telemanipulation with three ports. A 2-inch to 3-inch incision with soft tissue retractor was used to perform coronary anastomosis. Robotic ports were used to introduce stabilization and cardiac positioning devices. Endoscopic harvesting of radial artery was done when necessary. RESULTS: Twenty-three patients (77%) had anterior throracotomy approach and 7 (23%) had transabdominal approach. Average number of bypass grafts was 2.6 (range 2-4). There was no mortality in hospital or on 30-day follow-up. Twenty-nine patients (97%) were extubated on the operating table. Two patients required reoperation for bleeding and 1 of those patients needed conversion to sternotomy for additional bypass grafting. Within 24 hours of surgery 50% of patients (n = 15) were discharged, 10% (n = 3) were discharged in 24 to 36 hours, 17% (n = 5) were discharged in 36 to 48 hours, 17% (n = 5) were discharged in 48 to 72 hours, and 2 patients stayed more than 3 days in the hospital. Two patients needed readmission to hospital within 30 days; 1 for pleural effusion and 1 for wound infection. CONCLUSIONS: Robotic harvesting of internal mammary arteries and port access stabilization and cardiac positioning allows multivessel coronary bypass to be performed through a small incision. Currently, the majority of the patients can be safely discharged within 36 hours of operation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

once the majority of CT surgeons work through the learning curve and get up to speed, this will become standard of care.
 
All these advantages that you are imagining remain to be scientifically studied and above all the long term complications and mortality need to be evaluated, including the percentage of graft secondary occlusion, and the need for re-operation, until then it's all B.S. and impressive only to new guys like you.🙄
Did you read what I posted???
 
Did you read what I posted???

did you read the study i linked? these are discussed.

likewise, this are not different vessels. this is not a different procedure, per se. the same lima is still divided and re-anastomosed in a similar fashion as an open bypass. we are not talking about a different patient population either.

why would you think that there would be a different long-term prognosis, graft secondary occlusion, or re-operation rate in the same patient population? the study i linked (and there are a lot of others) already account for this. now, if those studies showed that a disproportionately high number of patients had to convert to standard sternotomy, then i would think this procedure is crap. but, my inclination is to believe - and is backed by the data - that you are less likely to have peri-operative complications (eg, infections, pain, bleeding, etc.) with a minimally-invasive technique than an open one. as far as long-term complications (eg, re-occlusion, secondary surgeries, etc.), there is no reason to believe that cohorts would be different.

what is yet to be proven is whether additional cost and op time, as well as investment in the equipment and surgeon training, is substantianal enough to justify this technique over the long-term. but, i imagine that as the davinci becomes more accepted, widely available, and adopted and incorporated by training programs, you're going to see a lot more of this procedure done. it's clearly already proven far superior in, for example, radical prostatectomy.

the rest of your speculations are just that, and have already been studied and have disproven in this and other studies. it has been shown already to be beneficial to this patient population in capable surgical hands. in the meantime, you are reminding me of a reactionary who'd argue back in the day that open cholecystectomy was still superior to lap chole, simply because (perhaps) you are resistant to change.
 
When you use a new technique you have to prove that long term results, are at least comparable if not superior to the existing technique.
Even if it's the same procedure just using different sutures!
So, a study on 30 people for short term survival does not cut it.
They don't have the same control or access when doing the anastomosis, and we don't know if that anastomosis is as good as the open procedure.
This is not a gall bladder, this is someone's life.
 
Regardless of whether this really takes of or not, it's still pretty cool to see new technology applied. I'm sure applications will expand as innovative techniques and devices (end effectors on the robot "arms") continue to develop.

What I thought was very cool was the robot has "filtering" capabilities that can dampen some natural tremor of the surgeon's hands. Also, the magnification is super cool, as well as the size and precision of the "end effectors". Did I hear him say they were only 2mm long?? That seems hard to believe.

Interestingly, this DOES open the door up to telemetric surgery, where a surgeon from another country (perhaps) could be doing the procedure. It seems a bit far off, but who knows??
 
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