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That's map division is ridiculous because they're lumping Kansas in with Florida - both being in the SOUTH?! KS and MO should be in the same region as IL, NE, WI, etc.

 

[deleted109597]

Unless your tastes are so refined that they are silly, what is the functional difference between living in Indianapolis or San Francisco? You can get pretty much anything you could want to satisfy your materialism in either place.

Seriously, even if you are artsy every big Midwestern city has its pretentious arts community which is no different than any other. And you can be a metrosexual with facility in any city of 500,000 or larger.

Not to mention other big Midwest cities like St. Louis, Omaha, Kansas City or Chicago.

See, I have this saltwater requirement. And except for Salt Lake City, none of those other cities really have what I'm looking for. I mean, who wants to swim in Chicago?

 

[MJB]

I prefer the Lake of the Ozarks myself...

No sharks...but plenty of party and fun.

www.midwestboatparty.com

 

[8744]

See, I have this saltwater requirement. And except for Salt Lake City, none of those other cities really have what I'm looking for. I mean, who wants to swim in Chicago?

Fair enough. But having recently had my first look at the Great Lakes, let me just say that they look more like oceans.

 

[45408]

See, I have this saltwater requirement. And except for Salt Lake City, none of those other cities really have what I'm looking for. I mean, who wants to swim in Chicago?

Like PB said, I have a feeling you haven't seen the Great Lakes. Having been to the Atlantic, Pacific and Caribbean, I can't see the difference between those and the Great Lakes when I'm standing on the beach. When you fly over the Great Lakes, you can't even see both coasts.

My wife's friend was with my wife in Chicago just site-seeing, and they got near Lake Michigan, and my wife's friend says "WHAT'S THAT HUGE BODY OF WATER??" ummmm, Lake Michigan? "But it's so big!!" 😛

 

[deleted109597]

Like PB said, I have a feeling you haven't seen the Great Lakes. Having been to the Atlantic, Pacific and Caribbean, I can't see the difference between those and the Great Lakes when I'm standing on the beach. When you fly over the Great Lakes, you can't even see both coasts.

Flown over them. Been to Navy Pier in Chicago. Wouldn't want to swim in any of them. Plus, with the zebra mussels making them look all Technicolor, I don't know that anyone should be swimming in them.

And the difference between the great lakes and the oceans (at least the ones I want to live on) is December, January, and February. Back to that whole snow shoveling requirement.

 

[NjD00]

Ibn, you seem to know pretty much everything. Would you be able to post a graphic showing which state has the most beautiful women?

 

[Non-TradTulsa]

That's map division is ridiculous because they're lumping Kansas in with Florida - both being in the SOUTH?! KS and MO should be in the same region as IL, NE, WI, etc.

Ah, a man who knows his Southern culture!! I wholeheartedly agree... Kansas is NOT part of South - never has been, never will be. Missouri is a Southern "border" state as is Oklahoma - in Missouri, everything south of the Mason-Dixon line is definitely part of the South. In Oklahoma, everything east of the Cross-Timbers (roughly, Interstate 35) is very Southern - the western part of the state is not.

I don't know if I'll pack up after medical school and head to California where most of my surviving family live or not. I love the desert. However, Tulsa is a remarkable (and not very well known) Southern city of nearly one million. Until the second world war, more millionaires lived in Tulsa than anywhere else in the world. The arts are great and the Tulsa Ballet is often considered the best west of the Mississippi. It's a wonderful city that still has a lot of oil money and art deco architecture that is second only to Miami. I miss the beach - but there are dozens of lakes within an hour or two drive and having both a boat and a second home at the lake for weekends is extremely common here because the cost of living is very low. It's not flat here - it's actually very hilly and green.

I am appreciating Tulsa more these days since I'm having to do my basic science years in Oklahoma City before I can transfer back home.

(I never thought I would live long enough to hear Panda use the word "metrosexual" in a sentence. That just cracked me up!!! )

 

[Brown429]

i was considering ER...it is a great field...but I do not want to work the 3-11 or 10-8 "2nd shift" positions. I mean kind of sucks that when your kids/wife get home you have to work...oh well...


Do ER Docs who do Administration get paid more...or is that just a title?

 

[deleted109597]

Ibn, you seem to know pretty much everything. Would you be able to post a graphic showing which state has the most beautiful women?

No. But a good rule of thumb appears to be that the warmer the weather, the less women wear, so the greater desire to be more attractive. Of course, some of that is plastic, and warm places have ugly people too.
However, there are beautiful women everywhere. I mean, Russia isn't warm, and they've got some hotties. So, still no.

 

[Non-TradTulsa]

Do ER Docs who do Administration get paid more...or is that just a title?

What kind of administration? Most emergency departments are "closed" and have a single group practice of physicians who cover the ED. The days of hospitals forking out big bucks for medical director positions are pretty much gone. I think an ED medical director stipend in going to be about $25K these days for a few hours of work a week - and it may be more headache than you want to deal with because, although there are few hours attached, there are lots of political hassles attached. An emergency medicine group practice probably pays their managing partner a bit more, but that's usually going to be the most senior partner who wants to scale-back his patient care responsibilities.

I'm not planning on going into emergency medicine - Panda is an expert - but, if second and third shift work sounds bad to you, at least consider that when you leave the hospital, you're gone. No call, no interrupted dinners. EM is by no means an easy life, but it does have some lifestyle advantages other specialties do not.

 

[Miami_med]

No. But a good rule of thumb appears to be that the warmer the weather, the less women wear, so the greater desire to be more attractive. Of course, some of that is plastic, and warm places have ugly people too.
However, there are beautiful women everywhere. I mean, Russia isn't warm, and they've got some hotties. So, still no.

The problem with the warm thing is that making an appearance in skimpy clothing is not significantly related to attractiveness.

 

[45408]

And the difference between the great lakes and the oceans (at least the ones I want to live on) is December, January, and February. Back to that whole snow shoveling requirement.

You can still swim during those months. I've done it (January 1st). Actually wasn't as bad as I feared, but there wasn't any snow on the ground at that time.

 

[OHMAN0125]

You can still swim during those months. I've done it (January 1st). Actually wasn't as bad as I feared, but there wasn't any snow on the ground at that time.

How cold was it? I've been in Michigan in Jan. It was friggin freezing, I can't imagine the water was any better.

 

[Termwean]

Louisiana has the prettiest women, a great physician compensation. Haha. No really. I came down here by way of the beautiful nurse I met while working as an RT in St Thomas, VI. She is from Baton Rouge. We married and ended up here. So I pretty much quit RT, went to LSU for undergrad, and now LSU-New Orleans for med school. I want to do a residency here (ER or Anesth) and never leave this area. Sportsman Paradise is what they call it. Southern doctors are some of the highest paid.

 

[beefballs]

i was considering ER...it is a great field...but I do not want to work the 3-11 or 10-8 "2nd shift" positions. I mean kind of sucks that when your kids/wife get home you have to work...oh well...


Do ER Docs who do Administration get paid more...or is that just a title?

I think the shift work would be most conducive for having a family. You can always plan around stuff if you have set times, it is the interuptions and unscheduled stuff that would cause the most frictions with the fam. My wife works three 12 hr shifts a week and loves it , she wants me to do EM because of the set hours.

 

[notdeadyet]

Unless your tastes are so refined that they are silly, what is the functional difference between living in Indianapolis or San Francisco?

What's the difference between living in Salt Lake City or Phoenix? Chicago or Saint Louis? Portland or Portland?

It has nothing to do with refined tastes. Some folks are just not city people. And if you aren't, all cities of similar size all pretty interchangeable.

This is also why folks who can't appreciate nature think that a forest of douglas firs in Washington is the same as a forest of dogwoods in Tennessee. Some think a tree is a tree, and some think a city is a city.

 

[8744]

What's the difference between living in Salt Lake City or Phoenix? Chicago or Saint Louis? Portland or Portland?

It has nothing to do with refined tastes. Some folks are just not city people. And if you aren't, all cities of similar size all pretty interchangeable.

This is also why folks who can't appreciate nature think that a forest of douglas firs in Washington is the same as a forest of dogwoods in Tennessee. Some think a tree is a tree, and some think a city is a city.

That's my point. If you can make twice as much in Midwestern city and enjoy a lower cost of living then why kill yourself? On the other hand if you have just got to live in Boston there is nothing wrong with that either but you shouldn't complain, either.

 

[notdeadyet]

That's my point. If you can make twice as much in Midwestern city and enjoy a lower cost of living then why kill yourself?

Why live in Idianapolis versus a cheaper smaller town outside of it? I'm sure folks in those town think the townies in Indianapolis are nuts for paying more than them. It's just a matter of taste.

On the other hand if you have just got to live in Boston there is nothing wrong with that either but you shouldn't complain, either.

Yeah, I reckon I could rent a nice sized house in Indianapolis for what I pay in rent for a one bedroom in San Francisco. But I don't moan about it any more than someone from Indianapolis complains about a lack of selection of Vietnamese restaurants. Live where you're happy. Move if you're not.

 

[chocomorsel]

Oh man. The Midwest and the rural South so totally rock if you have a family, like having a big house and a lot of land. I realize that by living in Shreveport, Louisiana you may sacrifice some access to culture and the ability to order Punjabi food at 3AM but private schools are reasonable, they have Target, Wal Mart, and Home Depot, I'm not that into high culture anyways, and we even have passable Sushi and a few Starbucks.

200,000 a year puts you in the middle-class in San-San (San Francisco to San Diego). In Shreveport you are definitely in the top income bracket and can buy a house bigger than you can probably stand for what a little piece-of-**** bungalow would fetch in Monterrey. (Hey, I watch HGTV) You can live five minutes from the downtown and own enough acres to have horses or dogs or whatever you want.

There is practically no traffic, people are very friendly, and everything is just less stressful. Plus we have lots of sick people and a shortage of doctors which, all other things being equal, gives you better earning potential in a lower cost of living area which means a higher material standard of living.

Great point Panda. I am not that high into culture either. I want to get the most for my money without being stuck in some podunk town in the middle of nowhere. There's plenty of big cities in the south where your money can go a long way and you still have access to "culture". Say for example, Houston, Dallas and Austin. I don't know much about shreveport so I can't say. And you can live quite well with a six figure income and still have plenty of "culture". Some people call me cheap, I like to think of myself as economically savvy.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Yeah, I reckon I could rent a nice sized house in Indianapolis for what I pay in rent for a one bedroom in San Francisco. But I don't moan about it any more than someone from Indianapolis complains about a lack of selection of Vietnamese restaurants. Live where you're happy. Move if you're not.

You might not, but plenty of others do. I don't know what to direct you to search for, but there has been no shortage of whiny threads with people complaining about how little doctors earn, and how it's so hard to be a family practice doctor in the middle of L.A. and still make ends meat.

 

[LanceArmstrong]

I cant believe this map considers virginia and north carolina to be "northeast" you ask any yankee and they'll laugh.

I bet the salaries in NY NJ CT and maybe PA (especially metro areas) are like 30% less.

 

[OHMAN0125]

I cant believe this map considers virginia and north carolina to be "northeast" you ask any yankee and they'll laugh.

I bet the salaries in NY NJ CT and maybe PA (especially metro areas) are like 30% less.

I don't think 30% less. I know around NY, NJ they do get around that amount.

 

[chrisisinnocent]

Oh man. The Midwest and the rural South so totally rock if you have a family, like having a big house and a lot of land. I realize that by living in Shreveport, Louisiana you may sacrifice some access to culture and the ability to order Punjabi food at 3AM but private schools are reasonable, they have Target, Wal Mart, and Home Depot, I'm not that into high culture anyways, and we even have passable Sushi and a few Starbucks.

200,000 a year puts you in the middle-class in San-San (San Francisco to San Diego). In Shreveport you are definitely in the top income bracket and can buy a house bigger than you can probably stand for what a little piece-of-**** bungalow would fetch in Monterrey. (Hey, I watch HGTV) You can live five minutes from the downtown and own enough acres to have horses or dogs or whatever you want.

There is practically no traffic, people are very friendly, and everything is just less stressful. Plus we have lots of sick people and a shortage of doctors which, all other things being equal, gives you better earning potential in a lower cost of living area which means a higher material standard of living.

I agree 100%. I have been to the South several times (GA and Mississippi) and I was surprised how pleasant both places were.

 

[sunnyjohn]

i was considering ER...it is a great field...but I do not want to work the 3-11 or 10-8 "2nd shift" positions. I mean kind of sucks that when your kids/wife get home you have to work...oh well...

Heck, for 10 shifts on, ten shifts off I'd do it. I'd sleep the first day off when the kids are at school and then it's on like popcorn!

 

[Just Joshin]

For you young, single guys, there are pretty girls everywhere. The prettiest girl I ever saw was from Vermont and I married her.

Shout out for the Green Mountain State. The prettiest girl I ever met was Miss Vermont.

 

[drlisa0318]

Ah, a man who knows his Southern culture!! I wholeheartedly agree... Kansas is NOT part of South - never has been, never will be. Missouri is a Southern "border" state as is Oklahoma - in Missouri, everything south of the Mason-Dixon line is definitely part of the South. In Oklahoma, everything east of the Cross-Timbers (roughly, Interstate 35) is very Southern - the western part of the state is not.

I don't know if I'll pack up after medical school and head to California where most of my surviving family live or not. I love the desert. However, Tulsa is a remarkable (and not very well known) Southern city of nearly one million. Until the second world war, more millionaires lived in Tulsa than anywhere else in the world. The arts are great and the Tulsa Ballet is often considered the best west of the Mississippi. It's a wonderful city that still has a lot of oil money and art deco architecture that is second only to Miami. I miss the beach - but there are dozens of lakes within an hour or two drive and having both a boat and a second home at the lake for weekends is extremely common here because the cost of living is very low. It's not flat here - it's actually very hilly and green.

I am appreciating Tulsa more these days since I'm having to do my basic science years in Oklahoma City before I can transfer back home.

(I never thought I would live long enough to hear Panda use the word "metrosexual" in a sentence. That just cracked me up!!! )

As a fellow Tulsan, I couldn't agree more about this area. And for those of you who love the New York skyline (who wouldn't? it's gorgeous) and miss seeing the Twin Towers, downtown Tulsa has the BOK Tower, a scaled-down version (about half-size) of the Twin Towers (same architect). http://www.michael.leland.name/tulsa/bok.html

And I do feel for you having to live in OKC right now....though I do envy them their Bricktown.

 

[LanceArmstrong]

I don't think 30% less. I know around NY, NJ they do get around that amount.

And I know people in those ares who are making 150-160...

 

[OHMAN0125]

And I know people in those ares who are making 150-160...

Of course we both are going to know ppl in those areas that make less and those that make more. But I do think that average is pretty on point. Anyways, it doesn't really matter since if you wanted to make more you'd move down south or west regardless of what field you're in. I think in general the Northeast is the lowest for physician reimbursement.

 

[Llenroc]

Couple of things to keep in mind about those salary surveys:

1) Some branches have much longer training than others. People doing things like Pediatric Surgery are training for 8-9 years with all the research and whatnot that they typically have to do. Plus brutal workhours.

2) Once you become an attending, you might still have to work like a dog in certain fields like most types of surgery, and cardiology. And take call.

<-- Hates the idea of ever being on call once done with residency... or even during residency.

3) In something like Allergy, you can work 40 hours a week with no call up until the age of 80 or beyond if you want, making your $250,000 a year comfortably. So even though the salary of an Anesthesiologist might be $340,000, there really aren't that many of those guys practicing who are over the age of 60. I recently talked to an Anesthesiologist, and he told me most guys burn out by the age of 55 or so. I don't think I've seen very many surgeons over the age of 60 or so.

 

[LJDHC05]

I recently talked to an Anesthesiologist, and he told me most guys burn out by the age of 55 or so.

They retired because they had completed every crossword puzzle known to man...I have a feeling those careers will be extended by the flood of sudoku puzzles to atleast 58-60

 

[OHMAN0125]

They retired because they had completed every crossword puzzle known to man...I have a feeling those careers will be extended by the flood of sudoku puzzles to atleast 58-60

Haha...I agree. I don't see how you can burn out as an anesthesiologist. Honestly, one of the main reasons it's competitive now is because of the sweet lifestyle and +300K/year. Maybe they retired because they hit it big playing poker online in the OR. Lol.

 

[Llenroc]

Those are nurse anesthetists. The job of an actual anesthesiologist is quite stressful, and involves a lot of running around.

Also, do you want to come into work at 6:30 every day for the rest of your life? Most people don't even like waking up at 6:30, lol. And take overnight, in house call 1-2 times a week for the rest of your life? That stuff sucks. That's why anesthesiology pays well.

 

[OHMAN0125]

Those are nurse anesthetists. The job of an actual anesthesiologist is quite stressful, and involves a lot of running around.

Also, do you want to come into work at 6:30 every day for the rest of your life? Most people don't even like waking up at 6:30, lol. And take overnight, in house call 1-2 times a week for the rest of your life? That stuff sucks. That's why anesthesiology pays well.

It is still considered a "lifestyle" field along with ER. And what's wrong w/ being at work at 6:30? They get off at like 3 or 4! This is what I'm told from students who are going into anesthesiology (maybe they are lying, i dont know).

 

[jllander]

I just shadowed an anesthesiologist over winter break. She started at 6:45 and when I left at 3:30, she still had one more surgery to be in. So she has really long days. Granted, she's at a teaching institution and it's her choice but still, the hours were tough. Anesthesiology is one field, I believe, where you can go part time and choose your hours if you want. That why it can be a potentially nice lifestyle.

 

[HTD]

Midwest is an armpit (personally, if you like it, hey, you like it. Whoop de do)

You can make 3 bills on the beach too.

Insecure?

 

[Doctor Bagel]

What's the difference between living in Salt Lake City or Phoenix? Chicago or Saint Louis? Portland or Portland?

It has nothing to do with refined tastes. Some folks are just not city people. And if you aren't, all cities of similar size all pretty interchangeable.

This is also why folks who can't appreciate nature think that a forest of douglas firs in Washington is the same as a forest of dogwoods in Tennessee. Some think a tree is a tree, and some think a city is a city.

👍
I miss douglas firs, redwoods and mountains. 🙁 I also miss it being green, and I miss going to the coast on a regular basis (I concede that the Great Lakes might be a substitute -- no other lakes are). I miss living in an urban area where I could walk to the grocery store, to work, to school, to a pub, etc. All places aren't the same, and some things are worth paying for to some of us. Those of us who do care aren't illogical, bad, shallow people.

 

[MJB]

You can still walk to all those places...just might take you a little longer! 🙂

 

[Biscuit799]

Our med school had an ER doc come speek to EMSA, and he said it broke down like this:
you can have 2 of the following 3: the perfect job, the perfect location, or the perfect salary
Thus, you can have a great 7a-7p, 7 on 7 off job in the city you grew up in, but you may have to settle for 175. Or you could take 300K with the same hours, but you might have to live in Alabama.

 

[deleted109597]

Insecure?

What, about not wanting to live in the midwest?
Hardly. I just think it sucks.

 

[teedub]

i heart kansas city.

 

[MJB]

What, about not wanting to live in the midwest?
Hardly. I just think it sucks.

That seems well thought out. 🙂

 

[deleted109597]

That seems well thought out. 🙂

Ok. I've lived there. Small town midwest isn't as fun as small town coastal. Large city midwest isn't as fun as large city coastal. This isn't rocket science. I don't want a horse, corn, or soybeans. Or Indiana beach, because that is fake.

 

[MJB]

Enjoy Long Island...it's like paradise. 😉

 

[Llenroc]

What, about not wanting to live in the midwest?
Hardly. I just think it sucks.

What makes you think anyone gives a flying **** about your opinion?

 

[deleted77919]

What makes you think anyone gives a flying **** about your opinion?

Ok, no more opinions should be allowed to be expressed on sdn ever. Oh wait, that'd mean there wouldn't be any threads allowed . . .

 

[MJB]

I don't get the appeal or nasty saltwater and all that goes with either, so I guess I can relate, and I don't think I'll ever get the appeal of the Northeastern beaches in particular.

To each their own...living in the middle, it's a moderate travelling distance to just about everywhere in the lower 48.

 

[OHMAN0125]

I don't get the appeal or nasty saltwater and all that goes with either, so I guess I can relate, and I don't think I'll ever get the appeal of the Northeastern beaches in particular.

To each their own...living in the middle, it's a moderate travelling distance to just about everywhere in the lower 48.

What about the beaches on Maui? 👍

 

[MJB]

What about the beaches on Maui? 👍

Hoping to visit them in early March...

I'm guessing that's one place I wouldn't mind living near the ocean...only problem is...college football would start at like 5 in the morning! 🙂

 

[CV2MD]

I barely hear anyone talking about FL?

Just curious...
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