ER rating

[vent]

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I just wonder to know how compatative ER is in nowdays? Is ER residency more difficult to be accepted than Anesthesia and surgery?
thanks

 

[Purulent DC]

I assume you are talking about the TV show. Perhaps you might get a job as an assistant production coordinator if you have the connections. If you are looking for an acting role and have a good agent, you might get an audition for the new Ramano role now that a helicopter landed on him. Best of luck.

 

[lattimer13]

don't listen to wiseguy Purulent DC. he/she made an attempt at being funny but did not suceed.

try doing a search on your original question.

 

[NinerNiner999]

From what I have been told this year, EM is slightly more competitive than surgery due to the number of slots open for the match, and even slightly more competitive than Anesthesiology - although the available slots are similar for both fields.

 

[kungfufishing]

the more flexible you are as to location, the less competitive it is. If you are set in staying in a specific region, more difficult. to some degree it is based more on personal fit with a program than numbers, at least from what I can tell going through the interview process. I dont know about surgery and gas, but different EM programs have very different overall "feels" to them and look for people that fit. around 90% of people who want a spot get one, something like that.

 

[realruby2000]

Originally posted by kungfufishing
the more flexible you are as to location, the less competitive it is. If you are set in staying in a specific region, more difficult. to some degree it is based more on personal fit with a program than numbers, at least from what I can tell going through the interview process. I dont know about surgery and gas, but different EM programs have very different overall "feels" to them and look for people that fit. around 90% of people who want a spot get one, something like that.

If EM is competative in general, then why does location matter? previous posters have said there aren't any EM programs that are "less competative". They're pretty much the "same throughout"...(except for the top programs)

 

[gimmedog]

It's simple probability--If you're only applying to one area and there are a total of three residencies there, you're competing for those 30 spots only. If you're open to moving anywhere chances are much better to match.

Of course there are naturally more and less competitive programs--that's just common sense. It's based on all kinds of factors that make them more or less desirable to people (geography, clinical exp, reputation, patient population, etc), but you'll be well trained wherever you end up.

Don't take any of this advice as gospel--get an advisor. And don;t decide what you might spend 40 years doing every day by how you think you'll fare against the "competition". Do what you'll enjoy.

 

[Sessamoid]

Originally posted by realruby2000
If EM is competative in general, then why does location matter? previous posters have said there aren't any EM programs that are "less competative". They're pretty much the "same throughout"...(except for the top programs)

Which posters said that all programs are equally difficult to get into? Provide a quote?

 

[kungfufishing]

regardless of how competitive the specialty is, all we can do is give it our best shot and apply anyway.
This point is often brought up on these forums and is one of the only consistent pieces of sound advice we give each other.
if you apply widely and arent obviously a maniac/lunatic, there is a good chance you'll match (at least I will keep telling myself that in the mirror until match day. hiding the fact that I am a maniacal lunatic gets harder all the time).

 

[FoughtFyr]

Originally posted by kungfufishing
hiding the fact that I am a maniacal lunatic gets harder all the time.

Just remember, even if the scary clowns tell you to say it, residency directors are rarely impressed by applicants who declare "The voices in my head really like you..." 😀

- H

 

[kungfufishing]

you say they arent impressed, but I can tell you are just trying to keep me from putting my best foot forward with your "advice". THEY sent you, I can spot one.

(wow that really does sound nuts!)

 

[vent]

Thanks guys for vivid discussion and for infrormation.
As to Purulent DC. .....I am used to idiots that are in every Forums.

 

[Sessamoid]

Originally posted by vent
Thanks guys for vivid discussion and for infrormation.
As to Purulent DC. .....I am used to idiots that are in every Forums.

To be fair, there are a number of well-respected names in our field who object to using the term "ER" to refer to the specialty, some of them quite vehemently. Although it isn't obvious from his post here, I gather from the OP's other posts that s/he is probably a foreign IMG (north European?) who doesn't speak English as a first language, so some latitude here I think should be given.

 

[12R34Y]

The chairman of our emergency department came and talked to our EMIG group at our school and said.......

"We used to get upset about being called ER docs, but now in the past few years ED as become (erectile dysfunction)....we definately prefer ER again.....now that everyone and their uncle thinks that ED is erectile dysfuction."

thought that was funny.

 

[The White Coat Investor]

Originally posted by NinerNiner999
From what I have been told this year, EM is slightly more competitive than surgery due to the number of slots open for the match, and even slightly more competitive than Anesthesiology - although the available slots are similar for both fields.

What a joke to put EM in the same neighborhood as surgery. Is anyone at a hospital where the surgery program actually filled? Without IMGs? (No offense to the IMGs on the board....but you're a highly variable commodity, some very good, some verrrrry scary.) Before the scramble? I didn't think so.

EM ain't dermatology, but its not surgery/family practice/internal medicine either. Anesthesia might be a good comparison re competitiveness.

For applicants, the name of the specialty is EM (Emergency Medicine.) Its practitioners are EPs (Emergency Physicians) The place we work is an ED (Emergency Department.) The name of the television show is ER. Many interviewers won't be impressed when you tell them you want to be an ER doctor, work in an ER, or practice ER medicine. (Some won't care, but many will.)

 

[Purulent DC]

Originally posted by vent
Thanks guys for vivid discussion and for infrormation.
As to Purulent DC. .....I am used to idiots that are in every Forums.

No need to Vent, but I think the sentence would have read better if you had excluded the unnecessary subordinate clause "that are.." and maintained the singular form of what should have been "foura" to follow the adjective "every."

 

[vent]

Dear Freinds;

Once more thank you very much for your discussion. I really did not expect that my posting would interest you so much.

You are right I am FMG, European, my English is not perfect since it is not my first language, besides I do speak other 2 foreign languages (+ my mother tonge) so I suppose I can make some mistakes in some of them.

I am really very sorry for using ER instead of EM. Honestly, I did not know how sensitive you are (EPs) about this matter. I am a surgeon and never wanted to become an ER, just wondered how competative it is nowdays.

Once more, thank you very much for your messages, and I AM SORRY FOR INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE. Please don't sweat up.

 

[Purulent DC]

Vent,

Your Enligh is fine. Anytime that you post here you will find people (like me) trying to make a joke. It is only for fun. To the people who don't like my cheesy humor, well, you will likely have the misfortune of matching with me next year and have to endure me for the next 3-4 years. So sorry...

 

[Sessamoid]

Originally posted by Purulent DC
Vent,

Your Enligh is fine. Anytime that you post here you will find people (like me) trying to make a joke. It is only for fun. To the people who don't like my cheesy humor, well, you will likely have the misfortune of matching with me next year and have to endure me for the next 3-4 years. So sorry...

Nothing wrong with a little lighthearted humor, but it's hard to tell sometimes unless you specifically put smilies in your post. No matter how obviously tongue-in-cheek you think you are being, there will always be somebody who is actually so patently offensive as to say something like that seriously. You risk being mistaken for one of those people unless you make your humorous intent explicit.

 

[roja]

Regarding the issue of ER/EM/ED discussion:

I too was coached on the 'some people will really get torqued out of shape if you call it ER' for the interview trail.

It was probably good advice and one I am sure I tried to follow when I interviewed. (the process beginning to blur.. perhaps I shouldn't have taken the versed after each one? *g*)

However, I do have to wonder, in the grand scheme of things, does it really matter?

I mean, does telling someone in a bar that you are an EP really work to get them home? Most people out in the real world associate with ER. Of course, it's been a while since I have tried to use that line. And it never works as well for women anyway. 😉