ERAS 2018 radiology data

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check out the new data about this season by googling eras statistics and click the preliminary data excel sheet.

Highlight: DR applicant up from 1251 to 1401, up from the nadir of 901 in eras 2015. IR applicants are holding steady at 396 (401 last year) but this year IR applicants are applying to more programs.

Both vascular surgery and radiation oncology are slightly down.

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I wonder if we're all buying high and there will be another dip in the near future
 
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check out the new data about this season by googling eras statistics and click the preliminary data excel sheet.

Highlight: DR applicant up from 1251 to 1401, up from the nadir of 901 in eras 2015. IR applicants are holding steady at 396 (401 last year) but this year IR applicants are applying to more programs.

Both vascular surgery and radiation oncology are slightly down.

Glad to see radiology is in the upswing. Would you mind linking the data? Thanks!
 
Just curious, what is your source for this prediction?

Forum post on the other big radiology forum. I believe it was made by someone with extensive experience of physician recruitment.
 
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It’s slightly inflated by the DR/IR applicants who are applying to both.

It’ll be interesting to see the growing pains of the new DR/IR residency.
 
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The competitiveness is certainly attracting some douchebags.

This is the most obnoxious group that I've seen in the last 3 years.
 
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The competitiveness is certainly attracting some douchebags.

This is the most obnoxious group that I've seen in the last 3 years.

That was probably the best thing about the dip in competitiveness: Skimmed off that inevitable crust of self-important tools.
 
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That was probably the best thing about the dip in competitiveness: Skimmed off that inevitable crust of self-important tools.

Two days ago I heard an anesthesia resident stating that current radiology residents were "dumber than in past years." I think the mark of self-importance is degrading others who don't live up to your expectations. Radiology has historical bias towards board scores; Google "radiology residency application guide" and the top results all highlight Step I as the most important factor. Selecting based on scores creates a nationwide culture of "our residents are smarter than yours," and the applicant pool reflects this; applicants are eager to highlight their own intelligence with the expectation that their interviewers will be impressed.
 
Two days ago I heard an anesthesia resident stating that current radiology residents were "dumber than in past years." I think the mark of self-importance is degrading others who don't live up to your expectations. Radiology has historical bias towards board scores; Google "radiology residency application guide" and the top results all highlight Step I as the most important factor. Selecting based on scores creates a nationwide culture of "our residents are smarter than yours," and the applicant pool reflects this; applicants are eager to highlight their own intelligence with the expectation that their interviewers will be impressed.

Edit: Posted that at a time I shouldn't have.

Who cares what other people think of you/your specialty?

You're always going to have one miss that makes some random clinician think you're an idiot. Just like a surgeon is going to have a complication that will make a patient/their family think he's a hack. Mistakes are part of it. You'll learn that opinions are like trash cans.
 
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Edit: Posted that at a time I shouldn't have.

Who cares what other people think of you/your specialty?

You're always going to have one miss that makes some random clinician think you're an idiot. Just like a surgeon is going to have a complication that will make a patient/their family think he's a hack. Mistakes are part of it. You'll learn that opinions are like trash cans.

I can't like this enough. As a surgery resident, I heard comments about radiologists all of the time (among other specialties), and I'm sure other specialties talked about us in the same way. Just try to earnestly do right by the patient, in whatever specialty you're in, and you'll be okay.

Personally, radiologists were some of the smartest people I met in the hospital. We had a few in particular that were very reliable, and we would occasionally seek a second opinion from them if things didn't add up. But even our best and most trusted radiologists had misses. As an aspiring radiologist, my goal is to be as accurate and trustworthy to other specialists as possible. Then, when you make a mistake, it's viewed in an entirely different lens than if you are consistently missing things.
 
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https://www.aamc.org/download/358760/data/residency.xlsx

BTW I was wrong. Those 1401 are only american grad. There are 500 also IMG applicant as well for total of 950 DR spots.


I'm always so confused about match statistics. So according to this, basically only half of the American and Canadian graduates will match. However if you look at Charting Outcomes in the match for diagnostic radiology US Allopathic graduates, it's always like 98-99% of people match. My question is if you want to match into a radiology residency as an US allopathic graduate, is it pretty much guaranteed like the 98-99% seen in Charting Outcomes or is it like this where it's like 50%?
 
I'm always so confused about match statistics. So according to this, basically only half of the American and Canadian graduates will match. However if you look at Charting Outcomes in the match for diagnostic radiology US Allopathic graduates, it's always like 98-99% of people match. My question is if you want to match into a radiology residency as an US allopathic graduate, is it pretty much guaranteed like the 98-99% seen in Charting Outcomes or is it like this where it's like 50%?

It has to do with people in rad onc and other field dual apply and not match rads I think.
 
I'm always so confused about match statistics. So according to this, basically only half of the American and Canadian graduates will match. However if you look at Charting Outcomes in the match for diagnostic radiology US Allopathic graduates, it's always like 98-99% of people match. My question is if you want to match into a radiology residency as an US allopathic graduate, is it pretty much guaranteed like the 98-99% seen in Charting Outcomes or is it like this where it's like 50%?

There are one set of statistics from AAMC based on students who submit an application in ERAS. There are another set of statistics from NRMP based on students who submit a rank list in the Match.

You can imagine that the former is a larger number because students drop out of the process. Sometimes students apply to several specialties initially but decide during the interview season to focus only on one specialty. Sometimes students apply to a specialty but do not garner any interviews, so they would not rank any programs. Sometimes students apply to a specialty but only get a few interviews at non-ideal places, and they decide to sit the year out in order to buff up their resume and re-apply the next year; these people would not submit a rank list.

The ERAS statistics also vary by when during the year you download them. If you download them between April and October, you'll find that the figures are larger, because they include participants in SOAP. Because radiology has for several years had many positions open in SOAP, there have been many additional applicants to the specialty that did not apply at first but then apply during SOAP (eg, people who failed to match to orthopedics). These figures are inflated compared to the NRMP figures, which are defined at only one time point, in the Main Match and excluding SOAP.

The NRMP figures separate "US seniors" = current 4th year medical students at MD schools. The ERAS figures defines "USGs" as 4th years and prior graduates of US MD and DO and Canadian medical schools. Thus, ERAS USGs is a larger number than NRMP US seniors. The USG figure includes applicant pools that are less competitive than US seniors, namely those who already graduated (ie, students who didn't match on schedule) and DOs. The number of Canadian students participating in the Match is very small.

The NRMP Charting Outcomes figures separates specialties based on what specialty an applicant's first-ranked program is ("preferred specialty"). For applicants who ranked radiology as a backup, they would not show up in the NRMP Charting Outcomes data, but they do show up in the ERAS figures. The NRMP Match statistics does include the number who ranked a specialty as not-first-choice. Note which report you are looking at.

Let's compare the numbers from 2017. By NRMP figures, there were 706 US MD seniors who ranked DR as first or only choice specialty, plus 210 US MD seniors who ranked DR as not-first-choice, for a total of 916 entrants. By ERAS figures as of 10/15 (ie, including only the beginning of the application season when the bulk of applicants enter, not SOAP), there were 1251 USGs applying to DR. This means there were 335 students applying DR before 10/15/2016 who were at least one of the following: a DO student, a Canadian student, an already-graduated MD student, did not get any interviews from DR programs, or chose not to rank any DR programs they could have interviewed at.

We don't have Charting Outcomes in 2017, so we can look at 2016 figures, which are similar. According to NRMP Charting Outcomes in 2016, 719 of 734 US MD seniors who preferred DR did match to DR, a 98% match rate.

Now to answer your question, for a US MD senior who wants to match DR, what is the chance of success? It's probably less than 98%, because there will be a small number who apply but don't get any interviews and won't be able to rank a DR program.

The ERAS figures cannot be used to directly predict how competitive the Match will be because a sizable minority of DR applicants will not prefer DR come Match time. In addition, there can be shifts in the different competitiveness pools within USGs year to year (eg, seniors vs graduates vs DOs) that confuse the actual competitiveness. You have to look at the yearly trend in the ERAS figures and extrapolate based on historical Match data.

Now take your bets on the US senior match rate in DR for 2018, given that USG applicants increased 12%. I'm going to guess 90%. This is less than a 12% absolute decrease because I'm guessing the number of positions are going to slightly increase, and that a greater proportion of DR applicants will end up ranking another speciality like IR first now that the integrated IR programs are more established.
 
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oh wow this was very helpful thank you! i thought that the match percentage for US grads was 78% or so for 2017 but that must be before match/eras data
 
oh wow this was very helpful thank you! i thought that the match percentage for US grads was 78% or so for 2017 but that must be before match/eras data

Perhaps you are looking at NRMP Results and Data 2017. For PGY-2 DR positions (ie, advanced position), there were 909 US Senior "applicants" and 667 matches, for a "match rate" of 73%. Note, however, that the number who did not match may have matched to PGY-1 DR (ie, categorical position; 73 matches), IR (105 matches), combined DR/nuclear medicine (1 match), or another specialty (eg, dermatology), or did not match at all.

If we reasonably assume that all PGY-1 DR applicants, all IR applicants, and all DR/nuclear medicine applicants also applied to PGY-2 DR positions, then that would mean the match rate into diagnostic or interventional radiology among PGY-2 DR US MD Senior applicants was 846/909 = 93%.

The figure you should be interested in the match rate into DR/IR/NM among those applicants who preferred DR. Some of those 7% who did not match to DR may have applied and ranked DR as a backup specialty for something else, like ortho or ENT. Thus the true match rate is likely higher than 93% and makes the specialty no more competitive than the overall Match for US Seniors in 2017.

Note that the NRMP defines an applicant as someone who submitted a rank list with a position in that specialty. Those applicants who did not receive any interviews and did not submit a rank list are not captured.

Note that the above figures excludes US grads (those who already graduated with an MD), the terminology you used. The NRMP refers to 4th years as Seniors.
 
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Perhaps you are looking at NRMP Results and Data 2017. For PGY-2 DR positions (ie, advanced position), there were 909 US Senior "applicants" and 667 matches, for a "match rate" of 73%. Note, however, that the number who did not match may have matched to PGY-1 DR (ie, categorical position; 73 matches), IR (105 matches), combined DR/nuclear medicine (1 match), or another specialty (eg, dermatology), or did not match at all.

If we reasonably assume that all PGY-1 DR applicants, all IR applicants, and all DR/nuclear medicine applicants also applied to PGY-2 DR positions, then that would mean the match rate into diagnostic or interventional radiology among PGY-2 DR US MD Senior applicants was 846/909 = 93%.

The figure you should be interested in the match rate into DR/IR/NM among those applicants who preferred DR. Some of those 7% who did not match to DR may have applied and ranked DR as a backup specialty for something else, like ortho or ENT. Thus the true match rate is likely higher than 93% and makes the specialty no more competitive than the overall Match for US Seniors in 2017.

Note that the NRMP defines an applicant as someone who submitted a rank list with a position in that specialty. Those applicants who did not receive any interviews and did not submit a rank list are not captured.

Note that the above figures excludes US grads (those who already graduated with an MD), the terminology you used. The NRMP refers to 4th years as Seniors.


I mean as a USMD matching somewhere for DR all you basically need is a pulse still holds true.
 
Radiology itself isn’t that competitive. It’s a bit like IM. Unlike IM though, the trash radiology programs won’t set you up much for jobs. You’ll either have no jobs or **** job in the boonies. Doing a bad program means the good locations are closed to you.
 
Radiology itself isn’t that competitive. It’s a bit like IM. Unlike IM though, the trash radiology programs won’t set you up much for jobs. You’ll either have no jobs or **** job in the boonies. Doing a bad program means the good locations are closed to you.

That feels bad. So how would a person get into a good area if they were in a bad program? What steps would they need to take?
 
That feels bad. So how would a person get into a good area if they were in a bad program? What steps would they need to take?

Not go into radiology...In all seriousness though, you could try to get into a top fellowship in the location you want to live. Otherwise, it's really difficult to break into those competitive markets such as in cali/nyc.
 
That feels bad. So how would a person get into a good area if they were in a bad program? What steps would they need to take?

Going to a more prestiguous fellowship would help, but sometimes those options are closed. If you go on another major radiology forum which I shall not name here, and check their IR subforum, on their IR fellowship interview 2018 thread, there is appearently DO applicants who went to an ACGME program who have applied to 40-50 fellowships with 0 interviews, so it’s tough to go to a good fellowship in competitive fields if your program is subpar
 
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