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Any ortho residents know much about these? They seem a little flimsy to provide adequate retention but supposedly they work pretty well. Any thoughts? Just curious..
Any ortho residents know much about these? They seem a little flimsy to provide adequate retention but supposedly they work pretty well. Any thoughts? Just curious..
Youre right! The Essix retainers are not as durable as the Hawley retainers (acrylic plate with stainless steel labial bow). You must use the right material. It must be .040 in thickness. http://www.essix.com/orstore/ShowItem.aspx?productID=1C478Any ortho residents know much about these? They seem a little flimsy to provide adequate retention but supposedly they work pretty well. Any thoughts? Just curious..
It must be .040" in thickness.
I think the .030" (.75mm) material is too weak to be used as retainer.I'm guessing the .75 mm essix retainers I've recently delivered may break more frequently than the 1 mm stuff, right?
Yes, I use the .030" (.75mm) material mainly for temporary retention when the Hawley retainers don't fit properly (due to distorted impression). It is a lot easier to separate the thinner .75mm essix material from the dental cast. It is more time consuming (approx 30 minutes…. from pouring the impression to trimming the essix) to work with the thicker .040" material. Before separating the essix, you have to use a special heat knife to cut around the material. http://www.ortho-direct.com/details.php?prodId=324&category=26. You don't have to use this knife for the 030" (.75mm) materialEver used the .75 mm material, tweed? What sort of fee do you tie to your yearly essix replacement protocol?
Thanks.
Thank you!I love your posts, they are always very informative and real-life issues that most people don't discuss openly!
Yes, I use wrap around Hawley retainers for most of my extraction cases. I use standard Hawley retainers for nonext cases. I've worn the same wraparound retainers for 14 years….and they are still in excellent shape. I use mostly C clasps and they rarely break b/c they don't go over occlusal surface like the Adam clasps.-I've come across a lot of breakage of Adams Clasps with Hawleys, sometimes it's okay, because the retainer will still provide adequate retention. Do you use a Wraparound?
It is very rare (less than 1%) to see the Hawley retainers fail to hold the teeth in proper alignment. If relapse occurs and pt is not happy, I usually retreat with braces at N/C and then bond fixed lingual 3-3. And I only had to retreat 4-5 times in 6 years.-I feel that Hawley's are poor at keeping rotations corrected especially around the canine area.
-How long do you provide followup (retainers checks/adjustments after delivery?) I think 2 years is an adequate time frame. 2, 3, 4, 6 month intervals, etc.
Two sets? Do you charge patients for the extra set? I agree with you that it is ok to use essix for space maintainer if you add a tooth to it (some orthodontists don't even do this).-I use two sets of retainers for patients with missing teeth (i.e. laterals etc), one Hawley and one Essix, both with the tooth. I make two because if they lose one it's not an esthetic emergency. I actually feel that is better for a Essix to hold "tip" and root positions for edentulous area, if the patient is waiting for implants in the future. The Hawley just does not seem to hold tips in place. How do you feel about that?
No, I don't think an expanded 16x22 SS (or 17x25 SS) arch wire is strong enough. I've seen many dental arches collapse as soon as the RPE is removed. When I remove the RPE or quad helix after 6 months in pt's mouth, I always have to retain the dental arch w/ a TPA. The essix may be strong enough if you don't over-trim the palatal part. I would still use Hawley retainers b/c they are more rigid and durable.-Do you really believe that C+ material is not strong enough to hold expansion? I'm a young guy like you and haven't had the experience to tell you otherwise, but I would think that if a 16x22 SS can hold expansion, a C+ rigid material should? Have you seen any actual relapse?
Why re-make? I hate to lose chair time, money and patients' trust. I would just give patient a pair of Hawley retainers and I don't have to worry about re-making new ones in the future.-As for swollen gums, I will make them an Essix (which acts to massage the gums like a positioner would) and then remake an Essix 6 mo later as needed free of charge.
No, I don't.-Do you have any experience with Invisatain or Vivera materials? I'm curious to try them out -- maybe more durable?
I band 7's (about 25-30% of all my cases) only when I need to align (and upright) them, to increase posterior anchorage, to correct deep overbite, and to set up for orthognathic surgery. I cannot use wraparound Hawleys when 8's are present.Do you treat 7s all the time? What if you finish a case early where 7s are just erupting? Do you know any good designs to deal with only 6s and still not cross the occlusal? The only think I can think of is a C-clasp on either side of the 6s. As for having the same retainers for 14 years, how can the patient tighten and adjust them? No matter what, Hawley's need to tightened at some point. With us only following up for 1-2 years, there is no way to ensure a proper fit for life?
I think the lab guy we use doesn't make the labial wire as well adapted as he should and therefore I see small rotations sometimes. Also, I find using a Flat rectangular labial wire to be useful along with C-claps on the canines to prevent rotation.
Good question. I really don't know the answer. Just like when they had braces, I guess they have buy a moldable type of mouthpiece and make it fit over the Hawley retainer.Nah I dont charge for the extra set. It takes staff 5-10 minutes to make an in-house Essix. It's a good patient builder. A lot of people dont want the wire in the front. Question, what do you think about children that play sports? They cannot wear the Hawley during sports...
With regard to the "tip" on roots, I think both types of retainers are equally effective. As long as there are plane contacts (as opposed to a single point contact) between a false tooth and mesial/distal surfaces of 2 adjacent teeth, their roots will not tip toward each other. I am usually very careful about this since my periodontist wife places implants for most of my patients.Yes, but I am still concerned with "tip" on the roots of the adjacent teeth. If these teeth tip back, the implant cannot be placed and patient will not be happy. I believe that an Essix can hold tip better than Hawley.