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Odd place for this I know. But 1) this is the subforum I know best. 2) pediatricians are cultish about this 3) Psychiatrists deal with ethics and think about it a lot more than most other specialties.
So I haven't yet been put in the position of being asked my personal opinion on various vaccinations. But I know it's a matter of time.
I am not on the autism/mercury/vaccine bandwagon, not by a long shot. In fact, I kinda despise them as they take attention away from the very serious problem of poor safety studies and autoimmune/neurologic sequelae from vaccines.
But I'm a victim of vaccine injury myself (brachioplexopathy). And the research on this as a result of vaccination is very, very solid. We have epidemiologic evidence, challenge-rechallenge studies, and have even elucidated the mechanism by which it happens.
The same is true for other neurologic sequelae as well as autoimmune dysfunction secondary to vaccines.
In the case of specific antigen-caused sequelae, it's a process not unlike your basic immune cross-reactions such as Reiter's, or ag-ab complex deposition as in post-streptococcal glomerulonephritis/rheumatic fever. If the pathogen can cause an immune cross-reaction (which the flu, adenovirus, hep B, and others all do), then the vaccine can cause it as well.
In the case of aduvant issues, it has to do with nonspecific activation of Th1 and suppression of Th2 cells, among other changes in the immune/inflammatory system.
What we don't have is anything approaching good numbers regarding incidence and prevalence of these problems. While an efficacy arm of a trial may last for years. Side effect data is only tracked for 5-14 days. Which isn't even time to mount a full immune response. My syndromee only fully matured into its current, debilitating state over the course of 6 weeks. At 5 days I was still 'extreme pain at the injection site'. Moreover, with regard to adjuvant-related sequelae, it is conceivable that since adjuvants have been shown to have years-long effects on immune/inflammatory activity, that sequelae could pop up anywhere within this time frame.
That problem aside, side effect data is horribly codified into broad, almost useless categories. Neurogenic pain at 5 days is a different animal than a bruise at 5 days. Yet they're coded the same.
Moving on, post-marketing surveillance is pathetic. CDC estimates that only 10% of adverse reactions get reported. FDA thinks it's closer to 1%. And again, the groups are terrible. And there's no followup. There are reports of patients with pain so bad they can't move their limb at 10 days post-injection. With no followup. Coded as 'non-debilitating'. Or anaphylaxis requiring intubation. Coded as 'non-life threatening'. What? Really???
So the truth is, I have no idea how safe or unsafe most vaccines are. But I do know that they do hurt, cripple, and kill. We all know that.
With a highly contagious, pervasive illness with high morbidity it's probably a pretty decent bet (but still a bet) that the risks of the vaccine are worth it.
But what about something like Hep B, the vaccine that crippled me, given that I have no risk factors for contracting it? It doesn't take a very high rate of serious side effects to tilt the risk-benefit analysis away from the vaccine.
Or HPV, for which the vaccine will only prevent 70% of cervical cancers (which will actually grow less over time as other genotypes gain a selective advantage), and after which you'll STILL need to get regular pap smears, which are far more effective at preventing cervical cancer? Doesn't take a large number of vaccine injuries there either.
I realize the professional bodies that govern us tell me I'm supposed to rabidly champion vaccination for everything from tetanus to chickenpox to the common cold. I also realize that as a scientist, a person of conscience, and a physician who chooses to use his brain, that I can't always do that. Which puts me in a bit of a bind.
I laid out the evidence behind my position not to convince anyone else (although I'd be happy if it did convince other physicians we need better vaccine safety data), but rather to show that this comes from a reasoned perspective borne out of a lot more effort and education than most of us apply to the issue. Given that, what's your take on the issue? How do I handle it gracefully and ethically?
So I haven't yet been put in the position of being asked my personal opinion on various vaccinations. But I know it's a matter of time.
I am not on the autism/mercury/vaccine bandwagon, not by a long shot. In fact, I kinda despise them as they take attention away from the very serious problem of poor safety studies and autoimmune/neurologic sequelae from vaccines.
But I'm a victim of vaccine injury myself (brachioplexopathy). And the research on this as a result of vaccination is very, very solid. We have epidemiologic evidence, challenge-rechallenge studies, and have even elucidated the mechanism by which it happens.
The same is true for other neurologic sequelae as well as autoimmune dysfunction secondary to vaccines.
In the case of specific antigen-caused sequelae, it's a process not unlike your basic immune cross-reactions such as Reiter's, or ag-ab complex deposition as in post-streptococcal glomerulonephritis/rheumatic fever. If the pathogen can cause an immune cross-reaction (which the flu, adenovirus, hep B, and others all do), then the vaccine can cause it as well.
In the case of aduvant issues, it has to do with nonspecific activation of Th1 and suppression of Th2 cells, among other changes in the immune/inflammatory system.
What we don't have is anything approaching good numbers regarding incidence and prevalence of these problems. While an efficacy arm of a trial may last for years. Side effect data is only tracked for 5-14 days. Which isn't even time to mount a full immune response. My syndromee only fully matured into its current, debilitating state over the course of 6 weeks. At 5 days I was still 'extreme pain at the injection site'. Moreover, with regard to adjuvant-related sequelae, it is conceivable that since adjuvants have been shown to have years-long effects on immune/inflammatory activity, that sequelae could pop up anywhere within this time frame.
That problem aside, side effect data is horribly codified into broad, almost useless categories. Neurogenic pain at 5 days is a different animal than a bruise at 5 days. Yet they're coded the same.
Moving on, post-marketing surveillance is pathetic. CDC estimates that only 10% of adverse reactions get reported. FDA thinks it's closer to 1%. And again, the groups are terrible. And there's no followup. There are reports of patients with pain so bad they can't move their limb at 10 days post-injection. With no followup. Coded as 'non-debilitating'. Or anaphylaxis requiring intubation. Coded as 'non-life threatening'. What? Really???
So the truth is, I have no idea how safe or unsafe most vaccines are. But I do know that they do hurt, cripple, and kill. We all know that.
With a highly contagious, pervasive illness with high morbidity it's probably a pretty decent bet (but still a bet) that the risks of the vaccine are worth it.
But what about something like Hep B, the vaccine that crippled me, given that I have no risk factors for contracting it? It doesn't take a very high rate of serious side effects to tilt the risk-benefit analysis away from the vaccine.
Or HPV, for which the vaccine will only prevent 70% of cervical cancers (which will actually grow less over time as other genotypes gain a selective advantage), and after which you'll STILL need to get regular pap smears, which are far more effective at preventing cervical cancer? Doesn't take a large number of vaccine injuries there either.
I realize the professional bodies that govern us tell me I'm supposed to rabidly champion vaccination for everything from tetanus to chickenpox to the common cold. I also realize that as a scientist, a person of conscience, and a physician who chooses to use his brain, that I can't always do that. Which puts me in a bit of a bind.
I laid out the evidence behind my position not to convince anyone else (although I'd be happy if it did convince other physicians we need better vaccine safety data), but rather to show that this comes from a reasoned perspective borne out of a lot more effort and education than most of us apply to the issue. Given that, what's your take on the issue? How do I handle it gracefully and ethically?