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IMG is IMG, school reputation does not play role/ advances applicant when it comes to applying to US residency, we all know that.But i'm curious for any residents/attendings here. Will a UK/Aus/Canada educated IMG have a comparable advantage to an FMG from the same areas? Or actually far less because of the IMG factor holding back?
do you mind sharing the school? is it in the US?. have you looked at sallie mae, they allow deferment.I know school reputation doesn't matter when you're an IMG grad (unless it's Oxford, maybe). My dilemma is $200k private loans vs. chances of residency... The dilemma is about whether I can repay my loans while supporting my family once I'm out of med school if I choose an unaccredited school that isn't eligible for fed loans in the first 2 years... I think accreditation itself isn't a problem bc no med school has failed to get accredited so far, and even if it doesn't, its students will be transfered to another school... Yeah so the end problem for me is private loans....
This is inaccurate.No schools are eligible for loans in the UK, only one school in Aus.
Hi,
I'm facing tough decision and I would like to ask for advice...
My decision is between an Australian or UK med school and a new unaccredited DO school that is not eligible for federal loans for the first two years. I would choose the DO school but the fact of owing $200k of private loans (+$300k federal loans) at the end of med school scares me. Private loans are not eligible for IBR or PAYE repayment plans that I plan to use. With foreign schools, the chances of getting a residency are lower because I would be considered an IMG in the match but I would be able to pay off my loans in 10 years... So I'm asking if choosing a foreign school in said countries (which is eligible for federal loans) would be a better option in the long run....
You're not going to afford it when you can land residency in the US. You're not getting away from the debt that you accumulated attending med school in Europe.Yes, it is one of those 2 schools.
Is it simply a matter of "if you want to practice in the US go to US medical school"...?
afaik, private loans - besides not being qualified for income-based repayment or loan forgiveness - never go away, even if the borrower dies or becomes disabled. I would be looking toward $3000-4000/month in repayment for private loans and i can't afford that money as a resident... and i don't aim for super-competitive high-paying specialties..
Yes, it is one of those 2 schools.
Is it simply a matter of "if you want to practice in the US go to US medical school"...?
afaik, private loans - besides not being qualified for income-based repayment or loan forgiveness - never go away, even if the borrower dies or becomes disabled. I would be looking toward $3000-4000/month in repayment for private loans and i can't afford that money as a resident... and i don't aim for super-competitive high-paying specialties...
You're not going to afford it when you can land residency in the US. You're not getting away from the debt that you accumulated attending med school in Europe.
smart option is to get a loan from discover, defer payment in school/residency, pray school X gains full accreditation while you're there, and you can make repayment once you finish residency.
They state on their website that she can defer payment, and they have repayment assistance program.There are some major flaws with that plan. The first being that even if OP has perfect credit, there's exactly a 0% chance that Discover, or any credit card company for that matter, will let anyone defer a loan payment for 7+ years. This is even more true when the loan enters into 6 figures, which they would likely never give her in the first place. The only way this option is feasible is if the school gets accredited, she takes out fed loans, and then starts paying off that private loan with her gov. loan. Even then, she'd have to be able to defer for at least 2 years, and would have to live extremely meagerly to make those payments. The other huge flaw with that plan is the interest rate that comes along with loans from credit card companies. There's no way she'd find a loan that size from a credit card company with an interest rate less than 10%, and it could get as high as 15 or even 20%. OP would end up accruing a ridiculous amount of interest and would bury herself in potentially unmanageable debt.
They state on their website that she can defer payment, and they have repayment assistance program.
https://www.discover.com/student-loans/health-professions-loans.html#rightColumn6
IMG is IMG, school reputation does not play role/ advances applicant when it comes to applying to US residency, we all know that.
I will go DO with no doubt, simply because, it is US medical school.
OP, bottom line, if you want to practice in the US go to US medical school.
I know FOR SURE at least 2 schools in the UK and at least 3 in Australia that are eligible for federal loans for US students studying at their schools.
All the foreign schools in said countries have very solid reputation/education.
This is my second cycle reapplying...
Yes, why do you think that majority of US medical schools do not accept international student as other countries you mentioned above.So if i'm understanding correctly, an IMG from a UK/Aus/Can MD school has identical (or very similar) chances of matching back into US as a Caribbean IMG? I'm surprised, but i guess this emphasizes the importance of going to a US medical school.
Yes, why do you think that majority of US medical schools do not accept international student as other countries you mentioned above.
Yes, why do you think that majority of US medical schools do not accept international student as other countries you mentioned above.
So if i'm understanding correctly, an IMG from a UK/Aus/Can MD school has identical (or very similar) chances of matching back into US as a Caribbean IMG? I'm surprised, but i guess this emphasizes the importance of going to a US medical school.
Actually, if you look at the program below, they have an 90%+ residency placement rate.
http://www.mededpath.org/residency_match.html
I feel like SDN is not giving us the whole picture!
There's also this school in Israel:
http://sacklermedicine.us/match-day/
This school particularly falls under New york. So, yes you get to match automatically in New york only!There's also this school in Israel:
http://sacklermedicine.us/match-day/
There is a huge difference between 100% match vs. 90% match.Actually, if you look at the program below, they have an 90%+ residency placement rate.
http://www.mededpath.org/residency_match.html
I feel like SDN is not giving us the whole picture!
There's also this school in Israel:
http://sacklermedicine.us/match-day/
Who has 100% match?There is a huge difference between 100% match vs. 90% match.
Sorry, I should have clarified that majority of US medical schools have 100% match.Who has 100% match?
Sorry, I should have clarified that majority of US medical schools have 100% match.
Edit: Would you go to any of these schools if you were pre-med.?
Sorry, I should have clarified that majority of US medical schools have 100% match.
Edit: Would you go to any of these schools if you were pre-med.?
UK: Edinburgh, Birmingham.Do you mind sharing the two UK and three AUS schools with us?
Yes, why do you think that majority of US medical schools do not accept international student as other countries you mentioned above.
1/3 of UK schools don't accept internationals, either.There are a variety of reasons for this, most primarily that medical education is structured very differently everywhere else (and don't get me wrong, I LOVE the US model!) and combine that with the ridiculous cost of education that foreigners would not be able to pay for.
This is totally inaccurate. NYState accreditation doesn't mean much besides marketing. States don't accredit med schools. There's no "automatic matching" in any state. You're still an IMG, it's just that Sackler grads tend to match "better" due to personal connections and familiarity and preference of certain NY institutions to Sackler grads instead of other IMGs.This school particularly falls under New york. So, yes you get to match automatically in New york only!
OP - would you terribly mind practicing medicine in the UK or Australia (or probably New Zealand or the rest of Europe) as your career?
They make less in the UK but typically pay less for tuition as well (this really depends on where you go to school though)
I think they can graduate with no debt or close to no debt; still a terrible pay and you have to make house calls. I would pursue dentistry if I was still in Europe
The make the 2nd highest physician salaries in the world and do not go into 6 figure debt getting there:
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/how-much-do-doctors-in-other-countries-make/?_r=0
There's piles of them that can get federal loans in the UK lol. King's College London comes to mind off the top of my head, but there's at least four or five more I could dig up quickly. When in doubt, check the international FAFSA code list.No schools are eligible for loans in the UK, only one school in Aus.
Given how much the match is tightening up, I'd still recommend the US school. You'll be far more screwed if you don't match and have 300k in public debt than you are matching with 300k in private debt. There is also much talk of a retroactive cap of just over 50k on PSLF, I really wouldn't count on it being there when you graduate.Hi,
I'm facing tough decision and I would like to ask for advice...
My decision is between an Australian or UK med school and a new unaccredited DO school that is not eligible for federal loans for the first two years. I would choose the DO school but the fact of owing $200k of private loans (+$300k federal loans) at the end of med school scares me. Private loans are not eligible for IBR or PAYE repayment plans that I plan to use. With foreign schools, the chances of getting a residency are lower because I would be considered an IMG in the match but I would be able to pay off my loans in 10 years... So I'm asking if choosing a foreign school in said countries (which is eligible for federal loans) would be a better option in the long run....
Fifteen years ago, going offshore was perfectly viable, particularly at the more reputable schools. But nowadays it's just too great a risk with the tightening of the match.Thats what it all boils down to in the end, risking enormous money versus residency slot placement. Recommending any student for off-shore is something I just dont feel comfortable in doing any more
I think almost every post in this thread by @ATL.F.Doc has been inaccurate, no offense.