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Have you noticed that everyone thats been accepted to Medical school has a reason why they were? For example I really good letters of rec, great GPA, great research, great EC's.....

Newsflash everyone has these things...I think it comes down to luck in the end.
 
I think it comes down to no one having a clue why they got in but their egos convince them that they know the reason regardless.

It reminds me of the kids in high school who got into Harvard and then started their own college prep service. Yes. Because you really know the reason behind your acceptance.
 
I had a killer mcat and slightly below average everything else.

Wait, what is the point of this thread?
 
Have you noticed that everyone thats been accepted to Medical school has a reason why they were? For example I really good letters of rec, great GPA, great research, great EC's.....

Newsflash everyone has these things...I think it comes down to luck in the end.

Er...well that IS probably why they got in. Sure, there's always an element of luck, but no one gets in due to luck. The kid with a 42 MCAT CAN confidently say his MCAT helped him get in. Things like high gpa, high MCAT, URM status, connections to someone in the school, a stellar LOR, great EC's, publications...those are the things you can reliably say get you into med school. There are too many screening processes and adcom meetings and checks and double checks and triple checks and too much competition for anyone to get in due to random chance. You get in cause you're qualified, and you got lucky. But you ARE qualified. At least on paper.
 
Have you noticed that everyone thats been accepted to Medical school has a reason why they were? For example I really good letters of rec, great GPA, great research, great EC's.....

Newsflash everyone has these things...I think it comes down to luck in the end.

Maybe its a bit of luck, but everyone has different stats. They aren't all the same. Extracurricular can range a lot. Some are decent and reflect a lot of your self while others aren't so great because joe off the street can do them. Dedication and leadership are highly looked at among similar things. We all have ECs that aren't the most challenging to get, but some of us really stand out in ways in my opinion because of different activities. This is assuming that they had the all other things like GPA to pass screenings, MCAT score for the school, LORs good and everything else..It comes down to your ECs to differentiate who is different and why to find who would make a fit for their school or to be a doctor in general.

So my point is, everyone was accepted to medical school for a reason, but not all factors in the application. I think some of the time if you do get a interview, you are qualified to go to the school. You just have to ace your interview. Everyone has some of those things that have been accepted and everyone who has applied do not have or have all of those things or maybe most to all. Like I said, I think your interview really makes or breaks you. 🙂
 
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"Because I'm good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me"

...or maybe that I can write pretty darn well and am one of maybe 5 applicants this entire cycle who are fluent in ASL. Guess that helps.
 
I had a killer mcat and slightly below average everything else.

Wait, what is the point of this thread?
lol, I said the same thing to myself. I must be bored to figure it out.
 
As much as I dont want to believe that it all comes down to luck in the end, my experiences have led me in that direction. I have average EVERYTHING...MCAT, GPA, EC's...everything...So I was very proud to have received 3 interviews...however...at the two schools which I thought my interviews were the best I got 0 acceptances, and the 1 school in which I thought my interview was the worst I got in. So who knows...I mean maybe the school I got accepted at was looking for a specific applicant and I fit the profile....
 
Er...well that IS probably why they got in. ...

Agree with this. It's not all about numbers. A lot of it is about being a "good fit" for the school. And being a "good fit" is usually about having something in the app that catches the right person's eye. You have to have a "hook". And so yes, the right LORs, if they are strong enough can open some doors. as can great ECs or reserach that interests an adcom member. If you think it's about luck you are missing the big picture. It's not a crapshoot. It only SEEMS like a crapshoot because you are trying to draw conclusions without much data. You don't see what the adcoms see, and you don't know what rocks their boat. So all you see is some dude on SDN with a high MCAT not getting in while someone else with very average numbers gets a ton of acceptances. Newsflash -- it may seem like luck, or a crapshoot, but that's only because you don't get that fly on the wall view of what is actually important. Now I agree with you that the person who gets in probably doesn't know for sure what got them in. Some are told it later down the road. But they do know what their app had and didn't have, so they usually have the ability to guess what made them a better "fit" over someone with higher numerical stats.
 
Agree with this. It's not all about numbers. A lot of it is about being a "good fit" for the school. And being a "good fit" is usually about having something in the app that catches the right person's eye. You have to have a "hook". And so yes, the right LORs, if they are strong enough can open some doors. as can great ECs or reserach that interests an adcom member. If you think it's about luck you are missing the big picture. It's not a crapshoot. It only SEEMS like a crapshoot because you are trying to draw conclusions without much data. You don't see what the adcoms see, and you don't know what rocks their boat. So all you see is some dude on SDN with a high MCAT not getting in while someone else with very average numbers gets a ton of acceptances. Newsflash -- it may seem like luck, or a crapshoot, but that's only because you don't get that fly on the wall view of what is actually important. Now I agree with you that the person who gets in probably doesn't know for sure what got them in. Some are told it later down the road. But they do know what their app had and didn't have, so they usually have the ability to guess what made them a better "fit" over someone with higher numerical stats.


I don't buy this. I would bet that from the applicant pool of any given school the numbers of the applicants are usually on par for that school. I believe the applicants does a lot of self selection with this when they decide where they apply. Its just sheer numbers, their are very few spots for medical school and numerous over supply of qualified applicants. I've even heard adcoms members say its a crapshoot.
 
Everyone doesn't have a reason; some people even list luck as the reason. For me, I understand that luck played a role in it, but if someone asks me how i got in, in addition to luck, I would just list what I felt were the positive in my application as possible contributing factors. A 45 MCAT may not be the exact reason someone was accepted but I'm sure it couldn't have hurt them...
 
I had a killer mcat and slightly below average everything else.

Wait, what is the point of this thread?

This is my favorite post.
 
Have you noticed that everyone thats been accepted to Medical school has a reason why they were? For example I really good letters of rec, great GPA, great research, great EC's.....

Newsflash everyone has these things...I think it comes down to luck in the end.

Actually I look at some pre-meds at my school and by "some" I mean "nearly all" who brag about their grades to each other and how much they study and how much they volunteer and research and all that jazz.

Sometimes I laugh because I know people who make them look like small fries in the application process. Sometimes just to have fun I lie to them about how well I'm doing just to see the prick-ish smirk on their faces that screams "haw haw I'm better than you" when in reality they know nothing. The ignorant have no shame and it is sad, but infinitely entertaining to watch.
 
"Luck favors the prepared" - Edna Mode, The Incredibles

I think everything in life has a certain element of luck, but there are ways to make you more prone to be "lucky". I agree, most people might not know why they got accepted, but I think there is a method to the madness in general.

You have to have a "hook".

I think that's the key to helping yourself be lucky ;-).
 
Agree with this. It's not all about numbers. A lot of it is about being a "good fit" for the school. And being a "good fit" is usually about having something in the app that catches the right person's eye. You have to have a "hook". And so yes, the right LORs, if they are strong enough can open some doors. as can great ECs or reserach that interests an adcom member. If you think it's about luck you are missing the big picture. It's not a crapshoot. It only SEEMS like a crapshoot because you are trying to draw conclusions without much data. You don't see what the adcoms see, and you don't know what rocks their boat. So all you see is some dude on SDN with a high MCAT not getting in while someone else with very average numbers gets a ton of acceptances. Newsflash -- it may seem like luck, or a crapshoot, but that's only because you don't get that fly on the wall view of what is actually important. Now I agree with you that the person who gets in probably doesn't know for sure what got them in. Some are told it later down the road. But they do know what their app had and didn't have, so they usually have the ability to guess what made them a better "fit" over someone with higher numerical stats.

Yes this is key, ignore my bull**** post and read this one, it is solid. Built Ford tough. Like a rock.

There are throngs of mediocre people out there who dabble in everything but to get to the top you must excel beyond all the rest in one thing. And it has to be so goddamn shiny and bright and attractive that it whites out the less than superb stuff in your application.
 
"Because I'm good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me"

...or maybe that I can write pretty darn well and am one of maybe 5 applicants this entire cycle who are fluent in ASL. Guess that helps.

Pretty cool that Stewart Smiley is going to be a United States senator!!
:xf::xf::xf:
 
No, the admissions process is not luck, period.

Example:

You meet the screens at a particular school number-wise? You advance. You have the EC's they are looking for specifically at that school? You advance. You write good secondary essays? You interview. You interview well AND beat out the vast majority of the other applicants? You get accepted.

Cut and dry, point blank, period, end of story. Just because you don't know why you got rejected doesn't mean the process is "random" or "luck." If you don't get in somewhere, you messed up somewhere along the way OR there are too many people more qualified than you (also not luck, it's the name of the game).

I'm waitlisted at my top choice. I don't attribute that to bad luck. I'm just at the bottom of the applicant pool that they are still considering. That is all.
 
I feel like we're beating the dead horse, but I think many rejections are not deserved. I also feel like most WL applicants are not less qualified than those who are accepted. Despite how it seems, qualifications are not completely ignored though. By this logic, I would estimate the process to be ~50% luck based and ~50% qualifications based. The luck factor changes with the number of apps a school receives, I suppose. Also, post-interview luck is directly related to the interview/acceptance ratio.
 
But you're assuming that you know what qualifications are important, and you don't. Obviously GPA and MCAT and the like are important, but you never know what specific traits adcoms are looking for. It probably varies between schools and from cycle to cycle, so it feels like random "luck" to us, but I doubt that luck is actually what it is. Maybe the adcom feels like they want to boost average VR this year, or enroll more students from the Midwest, so people with those qualifications are accepted while someone with the same total MCAT score (but low VR) or someone from Connecticut is rejected.

This does not mean that people who are rejected/wait-listed are not qualified; it could just be that those people don't have the particular strengths and qualities that the adcom is looking for that year.
 
"Luck favors the prepared" - Edna Mode, The Incredibles

I think everything in life has a certain element of luck, but there are ways to make you more prone to be "lucky". I agree, most people might not know why they got accepted, but I think there is a method to the madness in general.



I think that's the key to helping yourself be lucky ;-).


Probably should attribute it to the originator if your going to qoute it in any essays anytime soon : )

Chance favors the prepared mind - Louis Pasteur
 
No, the admissions process is not luck, period.

Example:

You meet the screens at a particular school number-wise? You advance. You have the EC's they are looking for specifically at that school? You advance. You write good secondary essays? You interview. You interview well AND beat out the vast majority of the other applicants? You get accepted.

Cut and dry, point blank, period, end of story. Just because you don't know why you got rejected doesn't mean the process is "random" or "luck." If you don't get in somewhere, you messed up somewhere along the way OR there are too many people more qualified than you (also not luck, it's the name of the game).

I'm waitlisted at my top choice. I don't attribute that to bad luck. I'm just at the bottom of the applicant pool that they are still considering. That is all.

This guy is the man. He is right about everything.

I feel like we're beating the dead horse, but I think many rejections are not deserved. I also feel like most WL applicants are not less qualified than those who are accepted. Despite how it seems, qualifications are not completely ignored though. By this logic, I would estimate the process to be ~50% luck based and ~50% qualifications based. The luck factor changes with the number of apps a school receives, I suppose. Also, post-interview luck is directly related to the interview/acceptance ratio.

This guy is not the man. You know what? I see you whining here a lot about how you didn't get accepted this round and I didn't want to say it before, but you are not special and if you think you are special, get a reality check. Your numbers are not special, you ECs are average. If you want better feedback, make a more detailed MD apps since you seem to think your **** is all in order cockily writing "check....check."

Luck is what losers attribute to their losses. They never fail to put the blame on some bull**** intangible thing like luck or chance for their failures. Look at yourself and fix whatever it is ALL the adcoms at ALL the schools you applied to saw as a flaw in your app.
 
This guy is the man. He is right about everything.



This guy is not the man. You know what? I see you whining here a lot about how you didn't get accepted this round and I didn't want to say it before, but you are not special and if you think you are special, get a reality check. Your numbers are not special, you ECs are average. If you want better feedback, make a more detailed MD apps since you seem to think your **** is all in order cockily writing "check....check."

Luck is what losers attribute to their losses. They never fail to put the blame on some bull**** intangible thing like luck or chance for their failures. Look at yourself and fix whatever it is ALL the adcoms at ALL the schools you applied to saw as a flaw in your app.


calm down man, no reason to bash random people online. If (s)he didnt get in anywhere this cycle im sure (s)he knows there are things that can be done to improve chances for next time. Get off your high horse and cut him some slack, im sure its stressful enough not getting in anyway let alone having random pre-meds bash you on the internet.

And I haven't applied to med school, but I can definately tell you there is alot of luck/randomness involved in getting into undergrad so im sure its similar in medschool.
 
calm down man, no reason to bash random people online. If (s)he didnt get in anywhere this cycle im sure (s)he knows there are things that can be done to improve chances for next time. Get off your high horse and cut him some slack, im sure its stressful enough not getting in anyway let alone having random pre-meds bash you on the internet.

Alright my bad, I overreacted but I am tired of that guy posting stuff about failing over and over again and not getting interviews in freakin JANUARY and guess what in the end it all came true. I guess he can reflect on his failures himself and doesn't need me to bash him.

And I haven't applied to med school, but I can definately tell you there is alot of luck/randomness involved in getting into undergrad so im sure its similar in medschool.

I don't know what you mean by this statement because you say it like it means something like you somehow know how undergrad admissions works because you were accepted to a college. Or maybe you mean you worked in the admissions office and saw a Lotto machine in the back with people's names on it? Then I would believe you but you need to elaborate on what you mean here by saying how you "definitely" know how a process works.
 
This guy is not the man. You know what? I see you whining here a lot about how you didn't get accepted this round and I didn't want to say it before, but you are not special and if you think you are special, get a reality check. Your numbers are not special, you ECs are average. If you want better feedback, make a more detailed MD apps since you seem to think your **** is all in order cockily writing "check....check."

Luck is what losers attribute to their losses. They never fail to put the blame on some bull**** intangible thing like luck or chance for their failures. Look at yourself and fix whatever it is ALL the adcoms at ALL the schools you applied to saw as a flaw in your app.

I expressed my opinion just like everyone else; sure it is anecdotal. I never said I was special. My numbers are, however, a bit rare (see AAMC). I know my EC's are average. The fact is, a lot of people get into medical school with average qualifications; it is the nature of the bell curve.

My mistake was primarily school choices, not qualifications. I had trouble selling myself at some programs where I wasn't extremely interested (e.g. CCLCM), and I (like many others) ended up waitlisted at a few other schools that are top notch (WashU and Pitt). It is difficult for anyone to gain admission applying to 8 top-tier programs in July and 3 more in December; hence, I maintain that bad luck accounted for ~50% of the cause of my WL's/rejection (with poor school choices/ average EC's comprising the other ~50%).

You know you wouldn't say any of that to my face, so why say it at all?

And don't worry about my MDapps, Freud. Have a sense of humor.
 
I expressed my opinion just like everyone else; sure it is anecdotal. I never said I was special. My numbers are, however, a bit rare (see AAMC). I know my EC's are average. The fact is, a lot of people get into medical school with average qualifications; it is the nature of the bell curve.

My mistake was primarily school choices, not qualifications. I had trouble selling myself at some programs where I wasn't extremely interested (e.g. CCLCM), and I (like many others) ended up waitlisted at a few other schools that are top notch (WashU and Pitt). It is difficult for anyone to gain admission applying to 8 top-tier programs in July and 3 more in December; hence, I maintain that bad luck accounted for ~50% of the cause of my WL's/rejection (with poor school choices/ average EC's comprising the other ~50%).

You know you wouldn't say any of that to my face, so why say it at all?

And don't worry about my MDapps, Freud. Have a sense of humor.

You're right I wouldn't say any of that to your face. I'd just silently pity your poor choice of schools to apply to knowing full well that you were an average applicant as you stated yourself. Your numbers are "rare" based on AAMC data, but not rare in the pool of those top-tier schools' applicants. Also I don't see how you can say you were qualified, but blame your school choices. Blaming it on school choices implies you chose schools that you were not qualified for, but then you double back and say it's not about your qualifications? Selling yourself to the school is also an important qualification, it's called an interview. Anyways, hope I didn't hurt your feelings. Better luck this cycle.
 
You're right I wouldn't say any of that to your face. I'd just silently pity your poor choice of schools to apply to knowing full well that you were an average applicant as you stated yourself. Your numbers are "rare" based on AAMC data, but not rare in the pool of those top-tier schools' applicants. Also I don't see how you can say you were qualified, but blame your school choices. Blaming it on school choices implies you chose schools that you were not qualified for, but then you double back and say it's not about your qualifications? Selling yourself to the school is also an important qualification, it's called an interview.

Mr. Hyde ^

I was talking about academic qualifications (grades, MCAT, research, etc). I was/am certainly academically qualified for any school in the country. I wasn't, however, making claims as to "soft" qualifications (b/c these are subjective and impossible to quantify).

Anyways, hope I didn't hurt your feelings. Better luck this cycle.

Dr. Jekyll ^

I somehow have a hard time believing this is fully sincere, but what the heck; thanks.
 
Probably should attribute it to the originator if your going to qoute it in any essays anytime soon : )

Chance favors the prepared mind - Louis Pasteur

Frankly, I think any med school would find Edna Mode from The Incredibles a more credible source than this shifty Louis Pasteur person you speak of. What did he do? Breed cows in France, that must be where the word pasture comes from. Anyways, if a med school doesn't think Edna Mode isn't more credible, then I don't think that school is a "good fit" for me anyways, and I'm not interested.

So is that considered luck, if I get an adcom that also agrees that The Incredibles is a great movie... (just needed to bring it back to the original topic) 😛
 
My reason was my GPA, definitely. Oh, wait, I forgot that I'm the same as all other applicants. Who doesn't have a 3.1/35 these days? 🙄

Oh, my essays were as generic as possible, too, and I made sure all of my letter writers wrote positive letters that only discussed my personality and weren't so positive that they'd separate me from the pack.
 
Alright my bad, I overreacted but I am tired of that guy posting stuff about failing over and over again and not getting interviews in freakin JANUARY and guess what in the end it all came true. I guess he can reflect on his failures himself and doesn't need me to bash him.



I don't know what you mean by this statement because you say it like it means something like you somehow know how undergrad admissions works because you were accepted to a college. Or maybe you mean you worked in the admissions office and saw a Lotto machine in the back with people's names on it? Then I would believe you but you need to elaborate on what you mean here by saying how you "definitely" know how a process works.


I guess I cant say "definately" how things work but from comparing my acceptances/rejections to other people around me it seems like there is a huge random factor for people who are in the middle of the bell curve.

I got into Cornell and waitlisted at northwestern, but my good friend's brother with almost identical numbers got rejected from Cornell (no waitlist), but got into northwestern. (we both re-used essays for both applications).

A friend and his highschool girlfriend both applied to Cornell, she had better GPA,SAT, EC and in my friend's opinion better essays, but she was rejected and my friend got in.

I could probably list 20-30 of these sort of things, and im pretty sure its the result of random stuff like the following happening:

Admissions reads your essay about topic X right after reading three essays about the exact same topic, but the three in front of yours happened to be slightly better.

You were active in Y organization and so is the admissions counsellor so you stick out in their mind.

You qouted person X in some essay (not saying good to qoute people but alot of people do it) and admissions counsellor happens to have a huge amount of respect for person X and likes you.

etc
 
Frankly, I think any med school would find Edna Mode from The Incredibles a more credible source than this shifty Louis Pasteur person you speak of. What did he do? Breed cows in France, that must be where the word pasture comes from. Anyways, if a med school doesn't think Edna Mode isn't more credible, then I don't think that school is a "good fit" for me anyways, and I'm not interested.

So is that considered luck, if I get an adcom that also agrees that The Incredibles is a great movie... (just needed to bring it back to the original topic) 😛

Lol even though you were joking thats exactly the kind of luck I mentioned in one of my posts, you never know what sort of random thing the adcom will love in an essay
 
Probably should attribute it to the originator if your going to qoute it in any essays anytime soon : )

Chance favors the prepared mind - Louis Pasteur

actually, i believe oprah winfrey said it best: "luck is a matter of preparation meeting opportunity." (just kidding. i really am not a crazed oprah fan.)

No, the admissions process is not luck, period.

Example:

You meet the screens at a particular school number-wise? You advance. You have the EC's they are looking for specifically at that school? You advance. You write good secondary essays? You interview. You interview well AND beat out the vast majority of the other applicants? You get accepted.

Cut and dry, point blank, period, end of story. Just because you don't know why you got rejected doesn't mean the process is "random" or "luck." If you don't get in somewhere, you messed up somewhere along the way OR there are too many people more qualified than you (also not luck, it's the name of the game).

I'm waitlisted at my top choice. I don't attribute that to bad luck. I'm just at the bottom of the applicant pool that they are still considering. That is all.

well said, BUT... i disagree a teeny tiny bit. today i spoke to an adcom member at a school that gets about 10,000 apps/year (family friend). he said that it's quite common for an extremely qualified applicant to "fall through the cracks" due to the sheer volume of applications they are dealing with. i do think there is a miniscule amount of luck involved-- is the person reading your app exhausted and tired of looking at the same crap over and over, or did your app happen to come up first thing in the morning? i could go on with more examples of this kind of stuff, but you get the idea.

i'm not saying this has a HUGE effect, and i don't think little chance events like this are necessarily keeping qualified applicants out of med school, but i do think it's worth mentioning.

oh, and for the record, i like to think of it as fate, not luck. breathe, trust yourself, and you'll end up where you're supposed to. naive, perhaps, but it's helped me stay sane so far 🙂
 
actually, i believe oprah winfrey said it best: "luck is a matter of preparation meeting opportunity." (just kidding. i really am not a crazed oprah fan.)



well said, BUT... i disagree a teeny tiny bit. today i spoke to an adcom member at a school that gets about 10,000 apps/year (family friend). he said that it's quite common for an extremely qualified applicant to "fall through the cracks" due to the sheer volume of applications they are dealing with. i do think there is a miniscule amount of luck involved-- is the person reading your app exhausted and tired of looking at the same crap over and over, or did your app happen to come up first thing in the morning? i could go on with more examples of this kind of stuff, but you get the idea.

i'm not saying this has a HUGE effect, and i don't think little chance events like this are necessarily keeping qualified applicants out of med school, but i do think it's worth mentioning.

oh, and for the record, i like to think of it as fate, not luck. breathe, trust yourself, and you'll end up where you're supposed to. naive, perhaps, but it's helped me stay sane so far 🙂

I totally agree with your post.

I also believe there is a bit of luck or fate involved. However, because of the inherent randomness of the process, I applied to a good number of schools- precisely trying to account for the couple of schools where my application would be seen at the end of a very long, exhausting day. I figured if I had a number of schools from each "tier" (if there even is such a thing), I could avoid most random effects and hopefully get a fair shake.

I'm also a big believer in fate in the sense that I feel like the adcom people know more than I do about who fits into their school and who doesn't. If they see me and they think "not sciency enough" or "not academic enough" or "too weird", that's fine, cause chances are I wouldn't fit into that school as well as I could elsewhere. They know what kind of class they're trying to form, what kind of environment they want to foster, what kind of people they want to unite. And hey, I trust their judgment. If they want a group of super-intense, extremely dedicated, all-science, all-research people, then I don't belong there. If they want super-ambitious, serious, competitive people, I don't belong there either. Thank God they rejected me.

I mean, sure, maybe I slipped through the cracks (there is one school in particular that I still think I would have been a great fit for- apparently, they disagreed) at a couple of places, but I'm sure for the most part I was screened out the old-fashioned way, and due to reasons that are ultimately better for me anyway.

Maybe I'm naive, but I like to see it that way. It's definitely made this process a lot less miserable than it could have been.
 
I'm also a big believer in fate in the sense that I feel like the adcom people know more than I do about who fits into their school and who doesn't. If they see me and they think "not sciency enough" or "not academic enough" or "too weird", that's fine, cause chances are I wouldn't fit into that school as well as I could elsewhere. They know what kind of class they're trying to form, what kind of environment they want to foster, what kind of people they want to unite. And hey, I trust their judgment. If they want a group of super-intense, extremely dedicated, all-science, all-research people, then I don't belong there. If they want super-ambitious, serious, competitive people, I don't belong there either. Thank God they rejected me.

agreed. for undergrad, i got waitlisted at the school i really wanted to go to and got shafted by financial aid at my 2nd choice. i ended up at another school on my list with a huge scholarship. and i am so unbelievably thankul-- for the lack of debt and for everything else. had you asked me at the beginning of my senior year of high school where i wanted to go, i would not have answered with the name of my alma mater. but words cannot express how much i value my experience there and all the opportunities it gave me. it was the perfect school for me, undoubtedly.

so... i'm choosing to trust that i'll find the same is true of my medical school experience. the adcoms are much more experienced than i am when it comes to choosing a class so i'm just going to do my best and keep my fingers crossed.
 
“Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity

Yes, anyone can claim luck is why someone else got in and they didn't. In the end, it comes down to YOU. People come on here with 30+ MCATS and 3.7+ GPAs and wonder why they didn't get in. They think they're "unlucky". Let me tell you, if you come off as an uninteresting, rude, obnoxious person during the interview, do you think your average-above average stats are going to make up for it? If you write a personal essay that sounds like you spent 2 hours on it, do you really think that'll be masked by other good things? Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it.
 
I expressed my opinion just like everyone else; sure it is anecdotal. I never said I was special. My numbers are, however, a bit rare (see AAMC). I know my EC's are average. The fact is, a lot of people get into medical school with average qualifications; it is the nature of the bell curve.

My mistake was primarily school choices, not qualifications. I had trouble selling myself at some programs where I wasn't extremely interested (e.g. CCLCM), and I (like many others) ended up waitlisted at a few other schools that are top notch (WashU and Pitt). It is difficult for anyone to gain admission applying to 8 top-tier programs in July and 3 more in December; hence, I maintain that bad luck accounted for ~50% of the cause of my WL's/rejection (with poor school choices/ average EC's comprising the other ~50%).

You know you wouldn't say any of that to my face, so why say it at all?

And don't worry about my MDapps, Freud. Have a sense of humor.

If it's all luck, then why do some people seem to interview and get accepted everywhere? Their applications randomly got picked from the thousands at each school every time?

Numbers will only get you so far, beyond that you really need to show passion for activities and exposure to medicine to stand out. I would stop trying to look for fault in the system and focus on what you can change in your application.
 
if it's all luck, then why do some people seem to interview and get accepted everywhere?

Maybe...

- Good stats (mine are good too, but I lack what's listed below)
- Good "fit" school choices (I missed out here)
- Lucked into research under incredible PI (b/c of UG)
- Parent(s) is/are physicians
- Legacy at 1-2 schools (if 1 or both parents is/are docs)
- Attended more prestigious UG (shouldn't matter, but does)
- URM or disadvantaged


I think most people who are accepted "everywhere" fall into at least half of above categories. Prove me wrong. The italicized points were/are out of my control.
 
“Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity

Yes, anyone can claim luck is why someone else got in and they didn't. In the end, it comes down to YOU. People come on here with 30+ MCATS and 3.7+ GPAs and wonder why they didn't get in. They think they're "unlucky". Let me tell you, if you come off as an uninteresting, rude, obnoxious person during the interview, do you think your average-above average stats are going to make up for it? If you write a personal essay that sounds like you spent 2 hours on it, do you really think that'll be masked by other good things? Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it.

I disagree with that, too. I think people on this site get a little too stuck on the black and white and don't really consider the shades of gray. It's rare that someone applies with a truly lacking application. Usually people (especially SDNers who know what the competition looks like) apply feeling that the overall package is acceptable, the letters are going to be good, etc. I have yet to meet someone who has spent 2 hours on a PS (those that do are the kinds of people who can pull that off). I haven't seen any obviously rude or clearly socially ******ed people at my interviews. It's just not that black and white.

The problem is that because the vast majority of us operate in the gray area, it makes differentiating between us that much more difficult. Is a 3.6/32 more acceptable than a 3.3/37, all things considered? Do hours of research count more than the product of the research itself? Is it fair to expect premeds to be published when so many PIs are unwilling to let college students on their papers? Etc etc. People who apply and don't get in anywhere aren't social ******s or people with awful LORs, usually. They're usually people who were compared to a couple of others with similar stats and found not to fit the school's mission, or they were simply found to be "not as good".

I agree with Law2doc entirely when he says that everyone needs a "hook". You need to be so memorable and so different from the unwashed masses that you can be compared to someone with better grades or a better MCAT or more impressive EC's and still come out on top. You want whoever reads your application to have questions and want to meet you. Show them enough to make them want to get to know you.

I have a friend from college who, bless his soul, is a total nut. He has tons of interests and instead of quashing them to follow the premed path, he embraced them and didn't apply to med school until he felt that he had done all the things he wanted to do. These include things like pursuing an opera singing career, participating in Iron Mans (men?), and getting into more educational debt than anyone I've ever met by majoring in everything he had an interest in (this I wouldn't recommend). Then he eventually did his post-bac, got a decent MCAT score, and applied. His undergrad grades weren't great, and way too varied to really be easy to read. His MCAT was ok, but average. He applied on the deadline. He got something like 10 interviews, including HMS. Why? They told him that they just needed to meet him. They wanted to hear his life story.

So yeah, instead of saying that those who get rejected had something bad in their app, maybe we should consider that what they didn't do right is sell themselves in such a way that they stood out of an extremely competent pack filled with people who also applied with all their ducks in a row, but in the midst of which there is one person who the adcom wants to meet.
 
I disagree with that, too. I think people on this site get a little too stuck on the black and white and don't really consider the shades of gray. It's rare that someone applies with a truly lacking application. Usually people (especially SDNers who know what the competition looks like) apply feeling that the overall package is acceptable, the letters are going to be good, etc. I have yet to meet someone who has spent 2 hours on a PS (those that do are the kinds of people who can pull that off). I haven't seen any obviously rude or clearly socially ******ed people at my interviews. It's just not that black and white.

The problem is that because the vast majority of us operate in the gray area, it makes differentiating between us that much more difficult. Is a 3.6/32 more acceptable than a 3.3/37, all things considered? Do hours of research count more than the product of the research itself? Is it fair to expect premeds to be published when so many PIs are unwilling to let college students on their papers? Etc etc. People who apply and don't get in anywhere aren't social ******s or people with awful LORs, usually. They're usually people who were compared to a couple of others with similar stats and found not to fit the school's mission, or they were simply found to be "not as good".

I agree with Law2doc entirely when he says that everyone needs a "hook". You need to be so memorable and so different from the unwashed masses that you can be compared to someone with better grades or a better MCAT or more impressive EC's and still come out on top. You want whoever reads your application to have questions and want to meet you. Show them enough to make them want to get to know you.

I have a friend from college who, bless his soul, is a total nut. He has tons of interests and instead of quashing them to follow the premed path, he embraced them and didn't apply to med school until he felt that he had done all the things he wanted to do. These include things like pursuing an opera singing career, participating in Iron Mans (men?), and getting into more educational debt than anyone I've ever met by majoring in everything he had an interest in (this I wouldn't recommend). Then he eventually did his post-bac, got a decent MCAT score, and applied. His undergrad grades weren't great, and way too varied to really be easy to read. His MCAT was ok, but average. He applied on the deadline. He got something like 10 interviews, including HMS. Why? They told him that they just needed to meet him. They wanted to hear his life story.

So yeah, instead of saying that those who get rejected had something bad in their app, maybe we should consider that what they didn't do right is sell themselves in such a way that they stood out of an extremely competent pack filled with people who also applied with all their ducks in a row, but in the midst of which there is one person who the adcom wants to meet.

so much win for that dude! i'd want to meet him for sure.
 
Maybe...

- Good stats (mine are good too, but I lack what's listed below)
- Good "fit" school choices (I missed out here)
- Lucked into research under incredible PI (b/c of UG)
- Parent(s) is/are physicians
- Legacy at 1-2 schools (if 1 or both parents is/are docs)
- Attended more prestigious UG (shouldn't matter, but does)
- URM or disadvantaged

I was accepted to every school I interviewed at and only had 1, arguably two (good fit) of the list above, good stats.
 
I didnt have a good mcat, gpa, letters ,ecs or anything. The reason i got in was because im ridiculously good looking.
 
so much win for that dude! i'd want to meet him for sure.

Haha he's so awesome. Asking him where he's from or what he majored in is like opening a can of worms. Everyone at my school who had taken ANY science knew him by name cause of his reputation. He's just one of those people you can't make up.
 
Trying to figure out why people get into medical school is like trying to figure out why certain guys get the good looking girls- there are a lot of potential reasons and it is hard to put your finger on it.
 
I didnt have a good mcat, gpa, letters ,ecs or anything. The reason i got in was because im ridiculously good looking.

good to know that works. that's what i'm banking on. if i don't blind my interviewers with my brilliant smile, that is.
 
I slept with the head secretary and she stamped my acceptance letter for me 🙂
 
I was accepted to every school I interviewed at and only had 1, arguably two (good fit) of the list above, good stats.

That's not the issue, but congratulations. Jolie South was talking about people who "interviewed and were accepted everywhere." YoungMulaBaby (or w/e his name is) comes to mind. Were you interviewed (or invited) pretty much everywhere you applied? Did you attend (not decline) all interviews, and then were you subsequently accepted pretty much everywhere? If so, you are certainly an exception given my list (which I feel holds true most of the time).

Recognize that beyond about 41 or 42 MCAT, all bets are off. I think people like that get in most places by default b/c there are just so few of them.
 
I feel like we're beating the dead horse, but I think many rejections are not deserved. I also feel like most WL applicants are not less qualified than those who are accepted. Despite how it seems, qualifications are not completely ignored though. By this logic, I would estimate the process to be ~50% luck based and ~50% qualifications based. The luck factor changes with the number of apps a school receives, I suppose. Also, post-interview luck is directly related to the interview/acceptance ratio.

100% of people who estimate statistics based on nothing are full of crap. 97% of them are never admitted to medical school.

Blaming bad luck will only earn you more rejections next year. Instead blame deficiencies in your application, find out what they are, and improve them.
 
100% of people who estimate statistics based on nothing are full of crap. 97% of them are never admitted to medical school.

Blaming bad luck will only earn you more rejections next year. Instead blame deficiencies in your application, find out what they are, and improve them.

let's not be so hard on ONOY. i'm sure if i were in his situation, i'd be frustrated, angry, and searching for meaning in this ridiculous process. can you really blame him for wanting to make some sense of what's happened? granted, some of that sense-making should involve an evaluation of what he should do differently this cycle, but jeez. give the kid a break; he's in a rough spot.
 
after reading everyones post i agree with LEt 100 percent. You gota be different from the masses, BE YOU! Everyone is gona have the banging mcat gpa extra curriculars etc. But you gota show why you stood out. I got something like 12 interview offers went to like 8 i think but i only got two acceptances. so that speaks for something. Some places i fit in and some i didnt. Some i know i aced the interviews others I walked outta there feeling like I was raped.

Now i know a lot of people are gona be like well u got all those interviews cuz ur a URM. and yes that could be a factor. but i made a conscious effort to emphasize ME. I am half greek and half puerto rican - A greekorican. I made sure to put a twist on my application and everything i did. Prove that there is no one like me.

Most of all I wrote a bizzare personal statement that made everyone want to meet me. It. was so polarizing i had people loving it or hating it. I will post it to give u an idea.
 
isn't it around 40-50% of applicants accepted each cycle? that statistic includes the folks who mistakenly only apply to top 20 schools, and would have probably been more successful if they'd done their homework.

are we all really as special and wonderful as we think we are or would like to be? my guess is some of us are, but most of us really aren't. i don't think it's really that difficult to get into a medical school. when you get choosy about schools, that's another issue.
 
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