everyone please rank the following,thanx

[chipsy]

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hi , just wanted to know what u guys thought about the order of following programs in terms of overall strenght for pathology residency and getting future fellowships ,thanks a lot

univ of pitts
wash u st.louis
univ of ten.-memphis
umdnj-robert wood
brown-rhodes island
henry ford
med coll of georgia

plz rank thm🙂

 

[pathgrrl]

Obviously Wash U and Univ of Pittsburgh have strong research programs, but is that what you are looking for? I think you would have to give more details than "overall" training to get input from the users here...I've only been around a few months, but that's my impression.
Think carefully about what you are looking for in a program, and then you can get some advice about specific programs. Also, check out reviews at scutwork.com, although Path program reviews there are sparse.

 

[chipsy]

ya those 2 are def the big names but what about the rest in terms of mainly future prospects of getting into gud fellowships plus research oppurtunities, surely most would agree with first two but how would you place the rest...

 

[King Arthur]

i'm sure a good worker could do fine from any of those places, but as others have already said upmc and wash u are much larger and stronger names in general.

 

[yaah]

You're being vague and nonspecific. Wash U is a great place to train for many, but a bad place to train for others. If your goal is to just "get fellowships" then it really doesn't matter a ton where you train, although doing a residency at a place that has the fellowship you like is always beneficial. It means they have enough volume to teach you the material, and it means they have experts in the area who can write you good letters, and of course the inside candidate track to a fellowship is always beneficial.

It's really a random list without a lot of similarity and overlap. Most of the programs on your list have strengths and weaknesses. Ranking them would be pointless, it would be like ranking types of fruit for enjoyment.

 

[LADoc00]

Washu......everything else. Although Pitt has a some crazy telepathology thing they are really pushing.

Can you live in St Louis for 4-5 years??? That is the bigger ?

 

[Anna Plastic]

Most of the programs on your list have strengths and weaknesses. Ranking them would be pointless, it would be like ranking types of fruit for enjoyment.

Sorry, but mangoes kick all other fruit's asses. Hands down.

If the lack of specific goals/hopes/aspirations from the O.P.'s list reflects a state of mind that is equally unfocused, it may be worth considering the program which offers the most flexibility/options (both community practice and academics, more fellowships, etc.). It isn't "bad" to be unfocused at this point, but it is helpful to recognized your undifferentiated state and pick a program you think will help you with that process. Mentoring can be very important at this stage of the game.

 

[yaah]

I agree that it isn't bad to be unfocused. I think more people should take more time to experience different parts of pathology before they decide how to focus their career. Instead of picking a subspecialty fellowship you want before you even spend more than a solid week on the service. Of course, the problem with doing that is that by the time you experience everything in path you're towards the end of 2nd year if not later and fellowship applications are due. Yet another reason why the fellowship process blows.

 

[Thaitanium]

You're being vague and nonspecific. Wash U is a great place to train for many, but a bad place to train for others. If your goal is to just "get fellowships" then it really doesn't matter a ton where you train, although doing a residency at a place that has the fellowship you like is always beneficial. It means they have enough volume to teach you the material, and it means they have experts in the area who can write you good letters, and of course the inside candidate track to a fellowship is always beneficial.

It's really a random list without a lot of similarity and overlap. Most of the programs on your list have strengths and weaknesses. Ranking them would be pointless, it would be like ranking types of fruit for enjoyment.

I have a question in regards to this. I definitely think it matters where you train. I think you would definitely need to go to a program with the specific fellowship you want. Correct me if I am wrong, but GU, for example, has only a limited number of programs, just like everything else. I looked at the pathoutlines site and it looks like there are only a handful of GU programs...I am sure each program has it's own internal candidate and then, there are the many outside equally-qualified candidates applying, considering the few number of programs that offer a GU felllowship. So, you are in tough luck come application time and you may very well need to do another fellowship in the meantime. Whether you get in on the second try is also not 100%.

Looks like there are only 8 programs offering a GU fellowship...😱 If I was to apply to UMich in GU coming from an outside institution, I would have a serious disadvantage to you, an internal candidate.

Georgia, Emory University-GU

Maryland, Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions-GU

Michigan, University of Michigan Hospitals-GU

New York, Memorial Sloan-Kettering-GU

New York, University of Rochester Medical Center-GU

Ohio, Ohio State University Medical Center-Breast/GU

Pennsylvania, University of Pittsburgh Medical Center-GU

Tennessee, OurLab-GU, contact: [email protected]

 

[coroner]

Although Pitt has a some crazy telepathology thing they are really pushing.

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Pitt was actually the first program in the nation to have an informatics fellowship; and one of the few that currently exists. There was a resident from our program who did a double fellowship there in informatics and dermpath over a course of three years (1st year informatics, 2nd derm, 3rd informatics again). Kinda seems like overkill, but worth it for some.

 

[chipsy]

thanks to everyone on the posts,

yaah i wanted to ask you why wash u would be a great place for someone and not other....is it because of the workload?,,,,i understand that all these programs are pretty good but then in the end we do have to rank them, but i guess its not that much a difference where u do your residency from, think its better to pick a program which cares about you more than just a big name, but still we will hav to rank them eventually 🙂

 

[yaah]

I have a question in regards to this. I definitely think it matters where you train. I think you would definitely need to go to a program with the specific fellowship you want.

Well, of course it matters where you train, but it depends what your goal is. Just "getting fellowships" isn't a goal. If your heart is set on GU and you know this is what you want to do, that's different. And yes, internal candidates often have an advantage (but not always). I have already posted plenty about the reasons for training at a program that has a fellowship in the areas you are interested in. But you can "get fellowships" from any program. For some people, instead of going to a high pressure, famous program it might be better for them to go to a smaller place where they will shine more and the attending staff will be enamored with them.

Wash U might not be a great place for everyone for the same reasons that any place might not be a great place for everyone. But those reasons are not the same for each individual. I don't know a ton about Wash U but I do know they are somewhat traditional and they have an academic bent. I'm sure they train plenty of people who go into the community, but it still might not be for everyone.

And yes, you do have to rank programs. But you have to do it. Not someone else. By all means listen to advice and other thoughts. But make up your own mind.