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I was curious if there was anyone else using these? I took the first one last night at a busy starbucks (to begin to aclimate myself to the "be prepared for anything" test climate) and I got rocked. I scored a 5!! :scared:. Its okay though because I knew verbal was going to be the hardest. I was curious if anyone else using these tests could post their scores and or advice (I know there was a thread a while back, but that was for the April exam and I'm in need of encouragment and advice from the august takers. Thanks
 
I don't analyze answer choices as detailed as you do (mainly because I think it's a waste of time since you are not going to be analyzing how each answer choice falls on which one at the test day), but it looks like you have some solid info there.

I took AAMC #3 and got 9 on Verbal. A long way to go so hopefully my method will keep it up (I modified it last night after having some issues on AAMC #4 last week).

I agree with MCAT Guy on this one. I think that simplifying each answer is a great way to sort through which is most correct. One may be a true statement but not relevant to the question; another answer may not make any sense...

I think it's important to analyze the passage, question stem, and answer choices for each question to give yourself the highest probability of success.
 
I don't analyze answer choices as detailed as you do (mainly because I think it's a waste of time since you are not going to be analyzing how each answer choice falls on which one at the test day), but it looks like you have some solid info there.

I took AAMC #3 and got 9 on Verbal. A long way to go so hopefully my method will keep it up (I modified it last night after having some issues on AAMC #4 last week).

you many want to do a bit of analysis on answer choices.

I think half the key to verbal is knowing what to cross out. If you can know what they like to do to throw you off, then you can pick up on it when you read the choices (IMO).

This is where the intuition begins to develop I believe. We'll see, I still have to get 10's or higher on my first pass (not second), but as I took the AAMC 3 the second time I started to notice a bit more on how they write the answers.

On test day, if you know AAMC's favorite set ups for right and wrong choices, I believe that could be the difference between 2-4 pts maybe.

I agree with MCAT Guy on this one. I think that simplifying each answer is a great way to sort through which is most correct. One may be a true statement but not relevant to the question; another answer may not make any sense...

I think it's important to analyze the passage, question stem, and answer choices for each question to give yourself the highest probability of success.

This is true. My biggest flaws right now are:

- choosing answers that are absolutely true but not 100% relevant to the question

- choosing questions that only answer half of the question

E.g. The use of li is better than force would be weakened by...

distractor- most people respond to force (this doesn't tell you WHY li is better than force, it just talks about half the question).

I'd be happy to swing 11 or 12+ on the real deal.
 
you many want to do a bit of analysis on answer choices.

I think half the key to verbal is knowing what to cross out. If you can know what they like to do to throw you off, then you can pick up on it when you read the choices (IMO).

This is where the intuition begins to develop I believe. We'll see, I still have to get 10's or higher on my first pass (not second), but as I took the AAMC 3 the second time I started to notice a bit more on how they write the answers.

On test day, if you know AAMC's favorite set ups for right and wrong choices, I believe that could be the difference between 2-4 pts maybe.

You have some valid points, and I agree with you. In fact, I already do some of them. I read through EK book several times to know classic answer choices that are "wrong." Such include distractors, simpletons, out of scope, etc... I also avoid the answers that are too extreme due to the wordings like "never" or "always" or "all."

Labeling each answer as such "incorrect choice" is suitable if you are shooting for 10+. But I am aiming higher mainly because I started to prep for Verbal starting this January. I became a voracious reader and took a month-long course on Educational Law as I knew that legal writings are one of the toughest writings that I could face (it's never "yes" or "no" but more of "yes... but to certain limit under the condition of X provided that Y agrees to Z based on P precedent, etc..).

So, the way I see verbal is that if I want to score very high, I have to understand the passage very well. Analyzing answer choices is a strategy. Strategies are vulnerable to difficult passages because sometimes, answer choices are just "different." They may not fall into any of the category that you are used to in practices. Furthermore, the "best answer" may even fall under one of those "wrong answers," and that other three answers are just more "wrong." Difficult passages tend to have either very straightforward questions or extremely difficult questions that are lengthy (which makes it hard to label as certain category as it may be more than one; in other words, you may come across an answer choice that has first part correct but the second part wrong - and they are a single sentence! Remember, half-wrong = half-correct = wrong) and all just sound wrong.

No strategy can work to its maximum if you encounter at least ONE difficult passage in the exam. I do use strategies to see which answers are definitely wrong, but I use my logic and information from passage much more.

P.S. I also am a quick reader and try to concentrate very hard when I read the passage and question stems.
 
Hey Guys,

I hope you are all doing well. My MCAT is in 7 days and I am just taking a break while reading some of these forums. The TPR method in my opinion is completely worthless. Their method relies on the fact that if you follow it, you will be completely accurate in all of your analysis.

They say the following:

1. Rank the passages in order for difficult (Now, Later, and Difficult). When you come across a Now passage, you do it right away. If you come across a Later passage, do it later. A difficult passage, brush right over it and don't eve bother doing it.

2. Attacking the passage. Read through the passage line by line. After each paragraph, write a one liner that summarizes each paragraph (the main idea). Then at the end of the passage, write the Bottom Line: The one thing that the author of the passage wanted you to take away.

3. Answer the questions. Each of the answers has to be connected to the main idea in some way shape or form.

4. Work this methodology for all of the NOWs and all of the LATERs (which should be about 2 NOW Passage and 3 LATER Passages).

5. At the end, you should have 2 passages left over that you are not even to read. Use Blind Process of Elimination (Blind POE) to eliminate answer choices. You can usually easily eliminate 2 answer choices, and then you just guess between the last two.

I don't like this methodology at all for the following reasons:

1. It relies on the fact that you are going to get all of the questions right in the first five passages. They say that if you can answer the first five passages all correctly, you can easily get a 10.

2. You don't have time to write down crap during the MCAT.

3. It is too elusive. You have to settle for just not doing 2 passages completely and guessing on them, a concept that many of us crazy-competitive pre-med students will never grasp.

For that, I like the EK method of just reading through the passage for comprehension, and answering the questions. To me, that seems to be the most logical thing to do. I do end up prioritizing passages. For example, I hate philosophical passages, so I skip those right away and do them at the end.

Hope this all helps!

Good luck to everyone who is taking the MCAT soon, especially those on 7/16!! 🙂

Laters!
Mohammad 🙂
 
Hey SilverFalcon,

I hope you are well. I would like to respectfully disagree with you. I don't think the MCAT passages are made for us to understand. A lot of times, the MCAT passages are written horribly, poor grammar structure, poor thesis, lack of development in the ideas presented, etc. The point of the MCAT is not really to get us to understand, but it is simply a test of strategy.

The strategy will be able to address every single passage, even difficult passages. Sometimes, you will get a passage that is extremely difficult to comprehend, but the questions are super easy and vice versa.

Many of the students on this thread have gotten 12s, 13s, and 14s and have stated that it is all about strategy (i.e. eliminating the right answer choices, recognizing common fallacies such as out of scope answers, extreme answer choices, and distortions).

In EK, there is one section where it asks you to do answer the questions without even reading the passage because the questions themselves offer a lot of information about what the author is trying to say and what he is trying to get across.

I wish you and everyone else on this list the best of success and good luck on your MCAT!!

-Mohammad 🙂
 
Soo what do we do if getting better at taking EK verbal has made us worse at the AAMC exams? The first 2 EK exams I took I want to say I got between a 6-8 on both. Granted it was AAMC 3/4 but I got a 10 on verbal for 3 and a 9 for 4 which I was still hoping to improve A LOT on. Now, on EK 3,4,5 I got 11,10,11.. But on my last 2 AAMC exams 5,6 I got an 8 and 7 respectively.

I feel as if EK is helping but for some reason it hasn't translated into my AAMC practice exam score 🙁 I hope I'm not just learning how to solve EK verbal and not getting better at Verbal in general. That being said, taking EK 6 tomorrow, hopefully I can pull a 12+. Then again, with the trend I'm having, it might be better to hope for a 6
 
Soo what do we do if getting better at taking EK verbal has made us worse at the AAMC exams? The first 2 EK exams I took I want to say I got between a 6-8 on both. Granted it was AAMC 3/4 but I got a 10 on verbal for 3 and a 9 for 4 which I was still hoping to improve A LOT on. Now, on EK 3,4,5 I got 11,10,11.. But on my last 2 AAMC exams 5,6 I got an 8 and 7 respectively.

I feel as if EK is helping but for some reason it hasn't translated into my AAMC practice exam score 🙁 I hope I'm not just learning how to solve EK verbal and not getting better at Verbal in general. That being said, taking EK 6 tomorrow, hopefully I can pull a 12+. Then again, with the trend I'm having, it might be better to hope for a 6

EK Verbal isn't like AAMC Verbal, but it's a lot better than other horrible Verbal I've done.
 
EK 1- (4) 6/19 16/40
EK-2- (6) 6/20 21/40
EK 3- (7) 6/21 25/40
EK 4- (8) 6/28 26/40
EK 5- (6) 6/29 20/40 --Dunno what happened here!
EK 6- (7) 7/1 23/40
EK 7- (7) 7/4 25/40
EK 8- (8) 7/6 27/40
EK 9- (8) 7/9 27/40

Hmmm, I think I might have hit my plateau. haha. Any suggestions? I find myself finishing about 5-6 minutes late. Maybe I shouldn't read the passages so intensely? Just skim so I know where I can extract certain information. The questions that I missed, especially for EK 9, I could see why I missed those and eliminated two the other two answer choices, just chose the wrong one!

I have yet to take a AAMC, am going to take an one either tomorrow or Sunday to see where those are at.

Any suggestions?
 
Hey SilverFalcon,

I hope you are well. I would like to respectfully disagree with you. I don't think the MCAT passages are made for us to understand. A lot of times, the MCAT passages are written horribly, poor grammar structure, poor thesis, lack of development in the ideas presented, etc. The point of the MCAT is not really to get us to understand, but it is simply a test of strategy.

If you don't understand what the passage is saying (e.g. main idea), you will not do well on MCAT Verbal. Furthermore, who says that MCAT passages "are written horribly, poor grammar structure, poor thesis, lack of development in the ideas presented, etc."? MCAT passages incorporate complex arguments; that is, you don't see "yes" or "no" to an issue. It's much more complicated, and they are chosen because they meet certain level of writing that AAMC looks for. Unless you are like a Pulitzer Award winning author, I don't see what justification you can make to establish those remarks.

The strategy will be able to address every single passage, even difficult passages. Sometimes, you will get a passage that is extremely difficult to comprehend, but the questions are super easy and vice versa.

If you get a difficult passage with difficult questions, then you will panic. Strategies base themselves on one very crucial factor: confidence. There have been threads on how recent test takers had difficult passage as their first or second one in the exam, so if you are just relying on the strategy and thinking strategies will solve all the problems, you may be in for a surprise.

Many of the students on this thread have gotten 12s, 13s, and 14s and have stated that it is all about strategy (i.e. eliminating the right answer choices, recognizing common fallacies such as out of scope answers, extreme answer choices, and distortions).

They can do all that because they understand the passages first. Understanding the passage comes before applying strategies. Applying strategies without understanding the passages only works if it's St. Patrick's Day and you're Irish. :luck:

In EK, there is one section where it asks you to do answer the questions without even reading the passage because the questions themselves offer a lot of information about what the author is trying to say and what he is trying to get across.

I know this section, and I tried it. It's useless. It's useless because while it builds you up some skills for answer choices, its maximum ability is not really shown unless you understand the passage. You may get a question or two by recognizing wrong answer choices by their appearances, but this isn't SAT. AAMC doesn't make answer choices as something that test takers can pick correctly just by appearance - they require understanding.

So, I repeat (since this is apparently not very clear? I thought I was clear but whatever): strategies are important, but test takers need to understand the passages first. Understanding the passage does not mean being able to recite the first word of third paragraph and last sentence of the page. No, it means having a strong grasp of main idea and sub-concepts. Below information from AAMC shows how you can get that grasp - and once you have this grasp, strategies will get you higher points.

AAMC said:
If you have difficulty reading the passages, you may need to learn about argument as a form of written discourse. Knowing the purpose, content, and structure of argument can help you process the texts for answering the questions. In addition to taking composition or rhetoric courses, you might analyze essays and editorials found in newspapers, magazines, and / or scholarly journals.
 
EK1 - 9
EK2 - 10
EK3 - 11
EK4 - 10
EK5 - 7 fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
EK6 - 9
EK7 - 9
EK8 - 9
EK9 - 10

I want that damn 11 again.
 
I am increasingly getting the feeling that EK 101 is not a good way to prepare for the verbal. Most people are getting a consistent range of scores all the way through the entire book, which is very much dissimilar to what happens to people's science sectional scores as they learn the material/take practice tests. Instead of saying, verbal scores are just hard to raise, I think there has to be a better, more efficient way of improving your VS score. Of course, this is not to suggest that such material is or isn't out there in print (yet). It just seems like a hole that no one has yet able to successfully fill in. If I were one of BR, EK, TPR, or Kaplan, I would be racing to produce a better verbal program.
 
ek 1 9
ek 2 10
ek 3 10

However, I find some of the questions ridiculous and I think the passages are a bit longer than the real thing (am i right?)
 
ek 1 9
ek 2 10
ek 3 10

However, I find some of the questions ridiculous and I think the passages are a bit longer than the real thing (am i right?)

Many feel passages on the real test are even longer. A few questions really are ridiculous. Just treat it as practice and don't belabor your score too much.
 
Does anyone agree that a person's EK scores are usually lower than those on AAMC practice tests and the real thing.

I took about 12 of the EK verbal sections, and scored 10-11 very consistently. My only other score was a fluke 13. When I began taking the AAMC exams before the real thing I got 12-13 consistently.

I feel like my verbal skills haven't increased that much between those tests, so my conclusion is that EK is just harder.
 
Hey guys,
Since I've started practicing, it feel like I've gotten better. However, recently I started to feel as if I'm getting worse, and not just because of the scores.
EK:
1 - 7
2 - 11
3 - 7
4 - 11
5 - 9
6 - 10
7 - 9 (off by 1 for a 10)
8 - 9 (off by 1 for a 10)
9 - 9 (off by 1 for a 10)

AAMC:
3 - 9
4 - 9
5 - 10
6 - 10
7 - 6 (WTF???)

So it feels as though I'm not understanding as much as I used to (i.e. a week ago) and not concentrating as well...
Real MCAT in less than 2 weeks so I need to turn this around fast!
Any tips? Thx.
 
EK 1 (7/14) - 4
EK 2 (7/14) - 4
EK 3 (7/15) - 6
Ek 4 (7/17) - 8

Notes:
EK 1: Didn't have enough time, rushed through two passages.
EK 2: Did better on time, rushed through one passage.
EK 3: Timing was great. Had an entire 10 minutes for the last, harder, passage.
EK 4: Spent a little more time referring back to the passage for answering questions. Had 7-8 minutes for the last passage.
 
So far, I've done EK exams 1-3 from the old version scoring 7, 8, and 10 respectively. However, I haven't taken an entire test together ever. I've only done one passage at a time so far, doing 2 a day since I want to make them last till the end of August. However, some of my friends have said that might not be a good idea since it doesn't improve stamina. What do you guys suggest? Is it time to take entire tests together at once, or should I keep to this method? Also, if it matters, I have the old Kaplan verbal tests, so I can do those if I finish EK, but people say that Kaplan VR is bad...
 
So I've been scoring 10's consistently on the last 6 EK's that I took. Before that I had 8's. I only have EK14 left to do.

My problem is that my score isn't carrying over to my AAMC tests. I've only scored a 10 on AAMC 3 and anywhere from 7 to just barely a 9 on AAMC 4-7.

I've noticed that I don't like reading off of the computer that much so I've been trying to practice that.

But any other suggestions on what I could do since I only have 1 EK left?
 
So far, I've done EK exams 1-3 from the old version scoring 7, 8, and 10 respectively. However, I haven't taken an entire test together ever. I've only done one passage at a time so far, doing 2 a day since I want to make them last till the end of August. However, some of my friends have said that might not be a good idea since it doesn't improve stamina. What do you guys suggest? Is it time to take entire tests together at once, or should I keep to this method? Also, if it matters, I have the old Kaplan verbal tests, so I can do those if I finish EK, but people say that Kaplan VR is bad...
I think you should try to take an entire test. It will give you a better idea of the amount of concentration required b/c it's a lot harder to focus on 7 passages in a row. Plus it will give you an idea of how you are doing in terms of timing.
 
ek 4 - 7
ek 5 - 7
ek 6 - 7
ek 7 - 7

wow i'm ****ed I did 4 in a day and I'm not seeing any improvement

AND my exam is in 12 days..... pretty frustrated

Although, I feel like I'm getting better little by little...
 
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Ek 1 - 10
ek 2 - 9
ek 3 - 9
ek 4 - 9

AAMC 3 - 10
AAMC 4 - 9
AAMC 5 - 9
AAMC 6 - 9

WTF lol. test in 2 weeks
wanna get a 11 in a real deal.
 
ek 1 - 9
ek 2 - 10
ek 3 - 10
ek 4 - 11 (almost 12)
ek 5 - 9 - i was kinda mad at this test, 3 passages were easily 700+ words and damn hard.
 
ek 1 - 9
ek 2 - 10
ek 3 - 10
ek 4 - 11 (almost 12)
ek 5 - 9 - i was kinda mad at this test, 3 passages were easily 700+ words and damn hard.

EK is the best practice I have found but there are a few sketchy questions.

I miss the most questions on the passages that are easiest to read. I missed 3 questions on the video game passage lol.
 
EK is the best practice I have found but there are a few sketchy questions.

I miss the most questions on the passages that are easiest to read. I missed 3 questions on the video game passage lol.

i never had that one yet, looking forward to it actually 🙂 I like video games lol
 
Ek 1 - 10
ek 2 - 9
ek 3 - 9
ek 4 - 9
ek 5 - 10
ek 6 - 9 (this one was the worst ever... especially the passages. they were so boring)

AAMC 3 - 10
AAMC 4 - 9
AAMC 5 - 9
AAMC 6 - 9
 
Anyone else finish the book and find that the last few tests are pretty sketchy? Im going to do some kaplan but I wish I hadn't done those last few. Took steps back if anything. The logic just gets more and more obscure.
 
ek 1 - 9
ek 2 - 10
ek 3 - 10
ek 4 - 11 (almost 12)
ek 5 - 9 (3 passages over 700 words)
ek 6 - 9 (that last law question was...; horrid!!)

Right now I average about 9 minutes a passage 😛 trying to cut down some time. I can do the easier ones in 5 or 6 minutes and get em perfect but the brutal long ones are just.... brutal
 
ek 1 - 9
ek 2 - 10
ek 3 - 10
ek 4 - 11 (almost 12)
ek 5 - 9 (3 passages over 700 words)
ek 6 - 9 (that last law question was...; horrid!!)

Right now I average about 9 minutes a passage 😛 trying to cut down some time. I can do the easier ones in 5 or 6 minutes and get em perfect but the brutal long ones are just.... brutal

It doesn't help that I feel that on the real MCAT, EKs may be appear shorter!

For some reason though, I find EK passages to be not that long... Maybe they interest me, who knows.
 
AAMC 3 - 4 (WTF)
EK1 - 7
EK2 - 9
EK3 - 7
EK4 - 7
EK5 -8
AAMC 4 - 9
EK6 - 7
AAMC 5 - 10
EK7 - 9
EK8 - 9
AAMC 6 - 10
EK9 - 11
EK10 - 9 (made a main idea mistake on one passage, which cost me 6 questions)!

I find the EK passages to be trickier than AAMC!
 
AAMC 3 - 4 (WTF)
EK1 - 7
EK2 - 9
EK3 - 7
EK4 - 7
EK5 -8
AAMC 4 - 9
EK6 - 7
AAMC 5 - 10
EK7 - 9
EK8 - 9
AAMC 6 - 10
EK9 - 11
EK10 - 9 (made a main idea mistake on one passage, which cost me 6 questions)!

I find the EK passages to be trickier than AAMC!

pretty solid improvement

i find that regular practice and timing really helps, also - once u circle an answer dont look back. just did the first 3 passages of ek 7 (7:30m each) and got 16/17 with one VERY simple and dumb mistake (because I didnt look back - but this is necessary to find adequate time to answer all 7 passages).
 
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Ek 1 - 10
ek 2 - 9
ek 3 - 9
ek 4 - 9
ek 5 - 10
ek 6 - 9 (this one was the worst ever... especially the passages. they were so boring)
EK 7 - 10

AAMC 3 - 10
AAMC 4 - 9
AAMC 5 - 9
AAMC 6 - 9
AAMC 7 - 8 (wtf lol)
 
EK 1: 24/40 - 7
EK 2: 27/40 - 8
EK 3: 31/40 - 10
EK 4: 29/40 - 9
EK 5: 33/40 - 11
EK 6: 29/40 - 9
EK 7: 31/40 - 10 (can't believe I blew getting an 11 on this one)

For Reference:
TPR Diagnostic 1 5/22/2010 : 6
TPR Diagnostic 4 6/5/2010 9
TPR Diagnostic 2 6/19/2010 9
AAMC 4 6/27/2010: 9
AAMC 7 7/2/2010: 10
TPR Diagnostic 3 7/16/2010: 7
 
For those of you who are using the old EK 101 version, are you still following the 85 minute time limit? Personally, I think it makes sense, but I want to hear out everyone's opinions, criticisms, and suggestions. This is the way I see it.

8.5 minutes per passage times 9 passages equals 76.5 minutes.

An additional 20 questions with 30 seconds per question (average time to tackle a question) = 10 minutes more for the additional 20 questions.

Total time = 86.5 min = ~85 min.

Any thoughts?
 
Ek 1 - 10
ek 2 - 9
ek 3 - 9
ek 4 - 9
ek 5 - 10
ek 6 - 9 (this one was the worst ever... especially the passages. they were so boring)
EK 7 - 10
EK 8 - 9

AAMC 3 - 10
AAMC 4 - 9
AAMC 5 - 9
AAMC 6 - 9
AAMC 7 - 8 (wtf lol)
 
Agh...I got 10's on EK 1 and 2, and 11's on EK 3 and 4...and did EK 5 tonight and got an 8.😱 I'm thinking it's because I was running on 4 hours of sleep the night before combined with a good bit of physical exertion over the course of the day...but still...it was a bit surprising/jolting/I really hope I'm right...
 
Agh...I got 10's on EK 1 and 2, and 11's on EK 3 and 4...and did EK 5 tonight and got an 8.😱 I'm thinking it's because I was running on 4 hours of sleep the night before combined with a good bit of physical exertion over the course of the day...but still...it was a bit surprising/jolting/I really hope I'm right...

Same exact thing happened to me and I went downhill even more since.
 
1: 6
2: 8
3: 11
4: 12
5: 9

I really hope this last one was just a fluke and the upward trend continues...
 
ek 4 - 7
ek 5 - 7
ek 6 - 7
ek 7 - 7
ek 8 - 7
ek 9 - 6
ek 10 - 7
ek 11 - 7
ek 12 - 6
ek 13 - 7

PHUCK, writing exam in 3 days.

Hoping for a miracle.
 
For me it has gotten easier to understand the passages just from practice. After hearing terrible things about the passages at the end of the book i decided to do them backwards (after #1) and these are my scores so far

1-6
14-6
13-6
12-8
11-5(wtf?)
10-9
9-7
8-9
7-10

So I have improved and I feel like I am getting more from the passages each test I take.

i got completely wrecked on 11 also, anyone else find EK11 to give you a really really low score? i thought it was fairly easy but got a 7, sadface
 
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