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[nbdepart1]

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I really dont understand why dental schools look for very high nbde scores. after all dentistry is not abt theory its abt how u work. its really hard for people like me to study again & get really high score after graduating some 8 yrs ago. I think schools should really consider applicants with genuine work experiance rather than looking for high scores. its easy for fresh graduates to get high scores. so i think its a bit harsh on people with experiance. wat do u all think

 

[doc_mi]

You statement could not be said better !!!

 

[novel]

well if its a genuine experience then i am ok with it. but i have heard and seen people lie about their experience when they have none or had a week experience and writing down as years together. so what should a school do.

 

[nbdepart1]

well schools can always test the genuinity of ur experiance by testing practical knowledge. scores wont tell if u have the skill to be a good dentist. infact getting a 90 or 95 doest mean that he/she is a good dentist. thats y i think the system is wrong. u should be given admission based on ur practical skill which of course comes with experiance. after all we r doing advanced standing prog not the full dental course

 

[pandu]

well schools can always test the genuinity of ur experiance by testing practical knowledge. scores wont tell if u have the skill to be a good dentist. infact getting a 90 or 95 doest mean that he/she is a good dentist. thats y i think the system is wrong. u should be given admission based on ur practical skill which of course comes with experiance. after all we r doing advanced standing prog not the full dental course

Absolutely right 👍. I keep wondering about the same thing. But I don't see how that's going to change. I think it is just their way of filtering people.

 

[skabbaraju]

scores wont tell if u have the skill to be a good dentist. infact getting a 90 or 95 doest mean that he/she is a good dentist. thats y i think the system is wrong.

But is that not what happens everywhere in the world.? unless you are applying for a JOB in a senior position. Don't get me wrong here.

 

[umber]

I really dont understand why dental schools look for very high nbde scores. after all dentistry is not abt theory its abt how u work. its really hard for people like me to study again & get really high score after graduating some 8 yrs ago. I think schools should really consider applicants with genuine work experiance rather than looking for high scores. its easy for fresh graduates to get high scores. so i think its a bit harsh on people with experiance. wat do u all think

It is very true, although there are people with no experience at all and have completely devoted there internship period as well to test preparation they make a false claim of having plenty of experience and finally get the benefit over dentists with more experience. I am completely convinced that this is a false judgement.

 

[cadds]

This is a nice web site :

http://overseasdentist.com/




I am a licensed dentist in California , graduated in Europe , got my CA
license 10 years ago , when additional education (2 years) was not required
in this state( I had to pass the horrible bench test exam for foreign DDS
though , passing rate was only 5% and the requirements insane, most foreign
or American school grads would fail that test)

I have also passed the most feared clinical exam at that time - the
California State Board clinical examination, where I met USC , UCLA grads
taking the test 2nd, 3rd or even 4th time. NERB is a joke compared to the
one I had to go through in order to get the CA DDS license.

Imagine that after practicing for 10 years in California, if I want to
move to any other state , I have to do 2 more years of school, regardless of
my US work experience /all the dental examinations I have passed already.

The 2 years advanced standing programs for foreign DDS are EXTREMELY
DIFFICULT TO GET IN , 600 dentists apply, only 15 get in for each program.

Even if I want to work as a dental hygienist in other state, I have to do 2
years of school learning how to clean teeth even though I am a licensed
dentist in CALIFORNIA.How idiotic does that sound?? A California licensed
DDS cannot practice at least hygiene in another state, except Florida


Further more , let's say I become a periodontist ( 3 years of training in
America).

Guess what? If I want to move to NJ, NY and most other states, I have to go
to school again , even though I have American specialty training!!

So I am an American trained periodontist in California, but New York dental
board sends me back to school, even though periodontology is the same in NY
and CA.

This is like having an American trained cardiologist practicing in CA being
sent back to medical school in order to practice in NY .

I am asking the dentists from NY Dental Board: Does that sound right to you?

Furthermore:

Let's say I am a foreign dental school graduate, licensed in CA , specialist
in periodontology (3 years of American school education) and I would like to
practice dental hygiene in NY.

GUESS WHAT ? I have to do two years of dental hygiene school in order to be
licensed as a hygienist in NY ,even though I am an American trained
periodontist in CA

I have a question for NY and other state dental boards.

Are you people in your right mind?

Shame on you,members of NY board of dental examiners ,you are a disgrace to
the profession of dentist in America.You treat your CA colleagues like
animals, not like fellow dentists.

You would allow some dentists to practice in NY after 1 year of residency
without passing a state clinical exam, but you would not allow an American
trained endodontist to do root canals in NY .

You know very well this is bull**** and against common sense, but you do not
give a **** , you are just against any competition and could care less about
consumers.

Dare to explain to me , members of NY Board of Dental Examiners, why an
endodontist , who went for 2-3 years to an AMERICAN endo residency , should
not do RCT's in NY , because he went to dental school in the UK.

He only does RCT's , and he learned how to do them in the US , after he
completed his UK education.

You tell me, greedy , disgraceful members of NY Board of Dental Examiners,
why an US educated periodontist, licensed in CA, cannot be a AT LEAST a
dental hygienist in NY!

I'll make sure that this gets to all NEW YORK legislators, I will show them
how you "protect" NY consumers!


A licensed periodontist in CA cannot be at least a hygienist in your state?
ARE YOU NUTS?Are you out of your mind?


Do you really care about consumers, or all you care about is your own greed
( you do not want anyone to have a slice of the pie , so you crush any
competition)

WAKE UP , American dental boards!

We live in a global economy, you should allow dentists from Europe, UK ,
Australia and New Zealand to practice in USA without going through all the
BS you ask them to go through!

Those countries do not put the American dentists through all that
supplemental 2 year crap you ask UK /European dentists to go through!

Do not worry , greedy members of state dental boards, US will not be
flooded with UK dentists, they make good money in UK .


http://www.pr.com/press-release/32822

Four Out of Five Dentists Favor Universal Dental Licensure: The Wealthy
Dentist Survey


This is also a message for American legislators: end this disgusting greedy
dental board regulations once and for all!! Pass Universal Dental Licensure
legislation!!


http://www.fff.org/freedom/1096d.asp

"Dentists have perennially used licensing laws to drill consumers. Economist
Lawrence Shepard of the University of California at Davis estimates that
unjustified state government restrictions on dental licensing add between 12
and 15 percent to the cost of dental care. The Federal Trade Commission
estimated that unjustified restrictions on dental service cost consumers
$700 million a year. "

"Many state dental associations seem more devoted to wiring the law than to
fixing teeth. "


"Foreign dentists are especially discriminated against by dental licensing
regulations. In most states, it is far easier for a foreign doctor to get a
license to perform bypasses on Americans' hearts than for a foreign dentist
to get a license to fill cavities in Americans' teeth. The FTC concluded
that the restrictive state laws - and the resulting higher prices of dental
care - were a major reason why 20 million Americans have never visited a
dentist"

 

[pandu]

This is a nice web site :

http://overseasdentist.com/




I am a licensed dentist in California , graduated in Europe , got my CA
license 10 years ago , when additional education (2 years) was not required
in this state( I had to pass the horrible bench test exam for foreign DDS
though , passing rate was only 5% and the requirements insane, most foreign
or American school grads would fail that test)

I have also passed the most feared clinical exam at that time - the
California State Board clinical examination, where I met USC , UCLA grads
taking the test 2nd, 3rd or even 4th time. NERB is a joke compared to the
one I had to go through in order to get the CA DDS license.

Imagine that after practicing for 10 years in California, if I want to
move to any other state , I have to do 2 more years of school, regardless of
my US work experience /all the dental examinations I have passed already.

The 2 years advanced standing programs for foreign DDS are EXTREMELY
DIFFICULT TO GET IN , 600 dentists apply, only 15 get in for each program.

Even if I want to work as a dental hygienist in other state, I have to do 2
years of school learning how to clean teeth even though I am a licensed
dentist in CALIFORNIA.How idiotic does that sound?? A California licensed
DDS cannot practice at least hygiene in another state, except Florida


Further more , let's say I become a periodontist ( 3 years of training in
America).

Guess what? If I want to move to NJ, NY and most other states, I have to go
to school again , even though I have American specialty training!!

So I am an American trained periodontist in California, but New York dental
board sends me back to school, even though periodontology is the same in NY
and CA.

This is like having an American trained cardiologist practicing in CA being
sent back to medical school in order to practice in NY .

I am asking the dentists from NY Dental Board: Does that sound right to you?

Furthermore:

Let's say I am a foreign dental school graduate, licensed in CA , specialist
in periodontology (3 years of American school education) and I would like to
practice dental hygiene in NY.

GUESS WHAT ? I have to do two years of dental hygiene school in order to be
licensed as a hygienist in NY ,even though I am an American trained
periodontist in CA

I have a question for NY and other state dental boards.

Are you people in your right mind?

Shame on you,members of NY board of dental examiners ,you are a disgrace to
the profession of dentist in America.You treat your CA colleagues like
animals, not like fellow dentists.

You would allow some dentists to practice in NY after 1 year of residency
without passing a state clinical exam, but you would not allow an American
trained endodontist to do root canals in NY .

You know very well this is bull**** and against common sense, but you do not
give a **** , you are just against any competition and could care less about
consumers.

Dare to explain to me , members of NY Board of Dental Examiners, why an
endodontist , who went for 2-3 years to an AMERICAN endo residency , should
not do RCT's in NY , because he went to dental school in the UK.

He only does RCT's , and he learned how to do them in the US , after he
completed his UK education.

You tell me, greedy , disgraceful members of NY Board of Dental Examiners,
why an US educated periodontist, licensed in CA, cannot be a AT LEAST a
dental hygienist in NY!

I'll make sure that this gets to all NEW YORK legislators, I will show them
how you "protect" NY consumers!


A licensed periodontist in CA cannot be at least a hygienist in your state?
ARE YOU NUTS?Are you out of your mind?


Do you really care about consumers, or all you care about is your own greed
( you do not want anyone to have a slice of the pie , so you crush any
competition)

WAKE UP , American dental boards!

We live in a global economy, you should allow dentists from Europe, UK ,
Australia and New Zealand to practice in USA without going through all the
BS you ask them to go through!

Those countries do not put the American dentists through all that
supplemental 2 year crap you ask UK /European dentists to go through!

Do not worry , greedy members of state dental boards, US will not be
flooded with UK dentists, they make good money in UK .


http://www.pr.com/press-release/32822

Four Out of Five Dentists Favor Universal Dental Licensure: The Wealthy
Dentist Survey


This is also a message for American legislators: end this disgusting greedy
dental board regulations once and for all!! Pass Universal Dental Licensure
legislation!!


http://www.fff.org/freedom/1096d.asp

"Dentists have perennially used licensing laws to drill consumers. Economist
Lawrence Shepard of the University of California at Davis estimates that
unjustified state government restrictions on dental licensing add between 12
and 15 percent to the cost of dental care. The Federal Trade Commission
estimated that unjustified restrictions on dental service cost consumers
$700 million a year. "

"Many state dental associations seem more devoted to wiring the law than to
fixing teeth. "


"Foreign dentists are especially discriminated against by dental licensing
regulations. In most states, it is far easier for a foreign doctor to get a
license to perform bypasses on Americans' hearts than for a foreign dentist
to get a license to fill cavities in Americans' teeth. The FTC concluded
that the restrictive state laws - and the resulting higher prices of dental
care - were a major reason why 20 million Americans have never visited a
dentist"

😱😕😳🙂😀 👍
Oh my God,
BRAAVOOOOOOO. Applause.

 

[nbdepart1]

weel said cadds. thats the emotion every ftd's should have

 

[skabbaraju]

Well said. You are right, these irrational rules "suck" to most people. But I would be surprised if you did not know these stringent state laws before you took CA license. There is little we can do about it so just live with it.

 

[nbdepart1]

I heard that nbde is going to be pass/fail from 2010. so no more scores from 2010. so then what will these schools look for to filter people boz everybody who pass will apply. for me going into an advanced standing program is not a problem, its just that the oppurtunities are so limited. like cadds said there r abt 600 peole applying to each school which has only 15 or 20 seats. my question is y cant they make it a big prog like nyu which has 145 seats so that everyone gets a chance like our medical collegues who have a handfull of oppurtunity to get their licence. these peolpe cry out everday saying there is a shortage of dentist in u.s & we here have thousands of ftd's waiting for a chance. its time for them to take some action

 

[cadds]

Well said. You are right, these irrational rules "suck" to most people. But I would be surprised if you did not know these stringent state laws before you took CA license. There is little we can do about it so just live with it.

No I did not.

I was naive enough to think that after 5 years of practice in CA I could move to other states

 

[cadds]

I heard that nbde is going to be pass/fail from 2010. so no more scores from 2010. so then what will these schools look for to filter people boz everybody who pass will apply. for me going into an advanced standing program is not a problem, its just that the oppurtunities are so limited. like cadds said there r abt 600 peole applying to each school which has only 15 or 20 seats. my question is y cant they make it a big prog like nyu which has 145 seats so that everyone gets a chance like our medical collegues who have a handfull of oppurtunity to get their licence. these peolpe cry out everday saying there is a shortage of dentist in u.s & we here have thousands of ftd's waiting for a chance. its time for them to take some action

is like doing 4 years all over again. is 2 much

I feel sorry for people not getting the into the 2 yeasr prgrm

 

[NileBDS]

well schools can always test the genuinity of ur experiance by testing practical knowledge. scores wont tell if u have the skill to be a good dentist. infact getting a 90 or 95 doest mean that he/she is a good dentist. thats y i think the system is wrong. u should be given admission based on ur practical skill which of course comes with experiance. after all we r doing advanced standing prog not the full dental course

Well, obviously, applicants will never be happy, NO MATTER WHAT measures the schools propose. I'm sorry to say this, but as it has once been very eloquently explained to me, TOUGH LUCK !

-If schools emphasize NBDE scores and GPA, applicants will be unhappy since they have been out of school for 10 years or so, and are too "old" or not as fresh or whatever to study ...
-On the other hand, if a school throws the scores/numbers out the window, and decides to compare applicants based on clinical competencies and handskills (psycho-motor coordination), again some people are unhappy. They will argue that if your clinical knowledge/handskills are good enough to get you an acceptance spot, then they should be good enough for you to sit for the state/regional board license exam. So what was the whole point of the 2 year advanced standing program again ?

I am neither praising nor condemning whatever measures different schools choose to gauge different applicants by, but all I can say is this ... Having been through the whole ups and downs of the process, it is SCARY to see how scarcely calibrated dentistry is, from a global perspective. I have seen and worked with foreign trained dentists from around the world during my IDS years at Pacific, and can tell you that foreign dentists ARE NOT created equal. I think licensure boards/dental schools have every right to put in place whatever measures they see fit, in order to protect health care consumers (patients), evaluate prospective students and potential alumni of their respective institutions.

So again, with all due respect, TOUGH LUCK ! This is America buddy, and no one is entitled to ANYTHING but freedom (in most instances) ...

 

[NileBDS]

No I did not.

I was naive enough to think that after 5 years of practice in CA I could move to other states

I do not understand people like you.

So you get a California license for practically next to nothing, no $250,000 student loans, no one asked you to go back to school for 2 or 3 years of your life, you are making the exact same amount of money you would as a U.S. educated DDS/DMD, you have been offered an opportunity to specialize and make even more money, you enjoy all the privileges your colleagues have ... and now you are STILL unhappy because you can not practice in all 50 states ... give us a break !

 

[NileBDS]

You have failed to recognize that one of the sole purposes of licensing boards (dental licensing boards) is protection of the consumer, by whatever measures THEY believe is fit.

1. If North Dakota regulators think that a DDS/DMD is good enough training to protect their patients from dental providers, that does not mean that the whole United States should agree with North Dakota.

2. Dental boards are usually made up of regular consumers (non-dentists). You would be lucky to have half of the board members who are dentists. Board members are comprised of hygienist, assistants, lawyers, lay citizens/residents.

3. For lack of a better example, if the state of California decides that illegal immigrants should be issued drivers licenses by the DMV, that does not mean that the state of Indiana has to recognize that license.



Having said that, I sympathize with you. I really do.

This is a nice web site :

http://overseasdentist.com/




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- were a major reason why 20 million Americans have never visited a
dentist"

 

[diastema]

is like doing 4 years all over again. is 2 much

I feel sorry for people not getting the into the 2 yeasr prgrm

wy do u say its 3 and half years...............................its just for 2yrs 9 months.................plz dont mislead people.we are here to encourage each other by providing correct information...............plz correct me if i m wrong