Failed 1st semester at Ross....Reapply to State Schools?

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Would you repeat a failed semster at Ross?


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Greetings,

I need sound advice and quick! Currently, I'm at Ross, My final exam is tomorrow, its already to late to pull my grade up. I have 2 weeks back in the States for the holiday break and I must make a decision.....return back to Ross in January and repeat the entire semester OR retake my MCAT, hope to do well and reapply to Sate osteopathic and allopathic schools.

I did not do well for various reasons, to many to name really and I know admission committees do not care about why I failed. I don't know what angle I should approach this situation. I want to be a doctor more than ANYTHING else! I know that I am capable.

Please help, don't bash me! 🙁
 
Another MCAT is not going to make up for the fact that you matriculated and already failed a semester at a Carib school. Huge academic risk that I doubt any MD or DO school would take on. I'd repeat the semester and blow it out of the park. Also correct whatever is going on that led you to failing in the first place.
 
If you failed class at Ross, the likelihood of you applying successfully is very, very low. I'm going to guess you went to Ross because you weren't the strongest candidate to begin with. Failing your first semester basically confirms this and would make any prospective school very wary of admitting you.

Furthermore, were there to be a holiday miracle and you were admitted, I have a feeling you would be at high risk for failing your first or second year. You are better off keeping your ross acceptance and trying to pass. If you can't pass at ross you wont be able to pass in the US.
 
Not gonna lie: pod isn't a bad gig. Plus, if you are breathing, you will get accepted.
The DPMs take almost all the same classes with us first year and they are awesome. Seriously pods are great, I would highly suggest at least doing some research and considering it for anyone in OPs position or anyone who did poorly on the MCAT
 
Greetings,

I need sound advice and quick! Currently, I'm at Ross, My final exam is tomorrow, its already to late to pull my grade up. I have 2 weeks back in the States for the holiday break and I must make a decision.....return back to Ross in January and repeat the entire semester OR retake my MCAT, hope to do well and reapply to Sate osteopathic and allopathic schools.

I did not do well for various reasons, to many to name really and I know admission committees do not care about why I failed. I don't know what angle I should approach this situation. I want to be a doctor more than ANYTHING else! I know that I am capable.

Please help, don't bash me! 🙁
MCAT is a matriculant metric. Reapplying for the MCAT and doing well won't get you into state DO or MD school, bc that's not the problem.

The problem is that you took medical school coursework at a Caribbean school and failed your first semester which likely (and we don't know this bc we don't know your MCAT scores and GPA) could have been easily predicted based on those metrics. This is the reason why no medical school would take you in, bc you're too big of an academic risk. Unlike Caribbean schools who are more than happy to take your money, medical schools in the United States want to actually graduate physicians who will treat the citizenry.
 
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I understand your pain--you want to be an MD. I know. I get it. That's why you have taken on a heavy debt burden at Ross so you can hope to achieve your dream. This is why you are supercillious at the idea of doing any other medical profession other than MD. I understand where that comes from. Yet, there are still things I would recommend, especially if you have failed at Ross, probably low stats too. Low stats are not an end game at US school, but there are for some who do not have the EC and experience that is needed to overcome them on the day the ADCOM reviews your app.

For one, explore: why MD? Is is about helping people or status? Again, you show a supercilious attitude at the thought of any other profession, yet the ADCOM committee is looking for compassionate and selfless people, or at least those who can show it on paper and on an interview. If you hold only the MD degree in high regard then maybe your outlook is not inline with what the ADCOM is looking for.

Second, you failed the first semester at Ross for "various reasons" which shows you are not taking responsibility for your actions (I'm sorry to say this out of the scan information you offer) but it does help to know this. Perhaps you must be honest with yourself, look at your GPA, MCAT, Ross performance and say: "I'm not ready for medicine." Notice how this feels, deep in your gut. Stay with it a bit. Don't allow your life to be one "various reasons" after another. Attack whatever is your academic problem first, honestly and with sincerity, but don't thinks that your failures are innate--only something you have to overcome if you want to reach your MD goal.

From another perspective, imagine you have a heart attack patient with an aortic dissection front of you. To be unable to treat the patient because you don't know the proper medicine behind these two comorbidities in one acute person does not stand up to "various reasons." Again, attack your own shortcomings with sincerity, you have to build the intellectual tools first so you can help patients.

I'm a big proponent of quitting! Quit Ross--if you can't do the first semester and then you go back but fail the USMLE and or get a low score it will be very difficult to be accepted into a residency program, plus think of all that debt! Quit, but quit like the resolute person who understands they have failed a battle but will return to war in a few years, stronger and even more resolute. This will help more than it will hurt you. If you can show that you accepted failure; built academic tools for yourself that you needed; and then retook MCAT and whatever you needed as an undergrad to matriculate; and all the while doing good strong community work; I so no reason why you should not be accepted into an US MD program.

There really is no quick fix into your predicament, but it can be fixed. Some students start med school in their late 20s, 30s, some mid thirties, beyond. Like everything else in life, time cures many things. ADCOMS will look past your failures if you show them the many ways you have achieved a second chance at sending your AMCAS a few years down the road.

Imagine just getting by at Ross, then subpar USMLE scores, it will only lead to a huge debt and then your MD dreams really will be totally dissolved. Right now you can quit, and build your life up to take on the MD challenge in a few years.

Quit Ross.
 
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Secondround is only half right.....yes you should consider that medical school isn't fpr you. But no, don't fool yourself into thinking you can take another run at a US school later if you quit. Those odds simply aren't good enough to be real

You might need to quit, but if you quit you will not enter a US school
 
Greetings,

I need sound advice and quick! Currently, I'm at Ross, My final exam is tomorrow, its already to late to pull my grade up. I have 2 weeks back in the States for the holiday break and I must make a decision.....return back to Ross in January and repeat the entire semester OR retake my MCAT, hope to do well and reapply to Sate osteopathic and allopathic schools.

I did not do well for various reasons, to many to name really and I know admission committees do not care about why I failed. I don't know what angle I should approach this situation. I want to be a doctor more than ANYTHING else! I know that I am capable.

Please help, don't bash me! 🙁
It's time to consider podiatry or PA or RN--->NP... It's not going to be easy for a US school (MD/DO) to give you a second chance... I don't think it's wise to continue at ROSS since your chance to get a US residency will be severely limited due to failing your first semester.

Edit: I just noticed you rejected the PA/NP/DPM idea... I think you definitely should leave ROSS... Come back to the US and take more classes if you have to repair your GPAs and retake the MCAT because there is some possibly (not remote) that you might have a shot at DO... I met someone (n=1) in the interview trail last cycle who left a caribbean school (not the big 4) to apply DO, but it was not because he failed--according to him, he realized that school was a scam.
 
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It's time to consider podiatry or PA or RN--->NP... It's not going to be easy for a US school (MD/DO) to give you a second chance... I don't think it's wise to continue at ROSS since your chance to get a US residency will be severely limited due to failing your first semester.

Edit: I just noticed you rejected the PA/NP/DPM idea... I think you definitely should leave ROSS... Come back to the US and take more classes if you have to repair your GPAs and retake the MCAT because there is some possibly (not remote) that you might have a shot at DO... I met someone (n=1) in the interview trail last cycle who left a caribbean school (not the big 4) to apply DO, but it was not because he failed--according to him, he realized that school was a scam.
Are you purposefully trying to give him bad advice? I think @Goro could elucidate this for us, but I am almost 100% sure that a DO school will not take someone who failed his first semester at a Caribbean school into their school. Maybe the new ones popping out might not be as picky, but I'm pretty sure they won't either.
 
Are you purposefully trying to give him bad advice? I think @Goro could elucidate this for us, but I am almost 100% sure that a DO school will not take someone who failed his first semester at a Caribbean school into their school. Maybe the new ones popping out might not be as picky, but I'm pretty sure they won't either.
I am not since OP categorically rejects PA/NP/DPM, so I think it's better to try DO instead of going down the path he/she is in now that will likely cost 300k+, which in my opinion is financial suicide... Look at it this way: If he comes back to the US, this will be in itself a good decision regardless he might or might not have a chance at DO.
 
Greetings,

I need sound advice and quick! Currently, I'm at Ross, My final exam is tomorrow, its already to late to pull my grade up. I have 2 weeks back in the States for the holiday break and I must make a decision.....return back to Ross in January and repeat the entire semester OR retake my MCAT, hope to do well and reapply to Sate osteopathic and allopathic schools.

I did not do well for various reasons, to many to name really and I know admission committees do not care about why I failed. I don't know what angle I should approach this situation. I want to be a doctor more than ANYTHING else! I know that I am capable.

Please help, don't bash me! 🙁

Merely judging OP by his logic with this plea for advice paints a picture of his thought process. OP you have failed out of a graduate level training at a school that is notoriously known for accepting below average students willing to foot the bill in order to gain a MD title. Then you have the audacity to respond as you did to a slightly reasonable suggestion to look into other careers. Namely PA (something you obviously know nothing about and which you are NOT competitive for). Let me put it to you this way. Many PA school applicants have very competitive stats. GPAs 3.6 and higher. Some of my friends applying to PA after switching from Med school applicants have MCATs in the 30 range. I doubt any reputable PA program (Example: UF 1400 applicants, 60 seats) would give you the time of day. Private for profit schools. Maybe. I hope you heed the advice of trying to fix your grades and keep your doc dreams alive. Best of luck.
 
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MCAT is a matriculant metric. Reapplying for the MCAT and doing well won't get you into state DO or MD school, bc that's not the problem.

The problem is that you took medical school coursework at a Caribbean school and failed your first semester which likely (and we don't know this bc we don't know your MCAT scores and GPA) could have been easily predicted based on those metrics. This is the reason why no medical school would take you in, bc you're too big of an academic risk. Unlike Caribbean schools who are more than happy to take your money, medical schools in the United States want to actually graduate physicians who will treat the citizenry.

MCAT might be a big indicator of what's wrong...

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/18-on-practice-aamc-mcat-in-two-weeks.943925/
 
I am not since OP categorically rejects PA/NP/DPM, so I think it's better to try DO instead of going down the path he/she is in now that will likely cost 300k+, which in my opinion is financial suicide... Look at it this way: If he comes back to the US, this will be in itself a good decision regardless he might or might not have a chance at DO.
OP has no chance at DO schools. Not gonna happen
 
How about not.

You may not have much of a choice if you want to remain in medicine in some way. Either you take care of whatever is going on your life and get your **** together academically, or going the PA route (or some other route) will be your other option. Failing a semester at a Carib school makes your application to any med school stateside radioactive, even if you got a 45 on the MCAT taking it again.

If you want to be a physician, staying at Ross is pretty much your only option, and then praying that you're not one of the 30% (who don't get kicked out/fail out during the first two years) that don't match.

The other option (the one that I think is probably more pragmatic and better) would be to cut your losses and go PA. Things won't magically be easier in subsequent semesters. It only gets harder. And then you have to somehow buff up that ERAS application to make up for the failed first semester. It's hard enough to match from the Caribbean, and it'll get harder as US graduates basically squeeze you out as there are more of us graduating in the next few years. I imagine having a failed semester on record makes your prospects of matching even tougher.
 
Because my school doesn't pre-screen, much to the chagrin of the interviewers, OP might get an II to my school, but would be rejected before anyone actually sets foot in the interview room. We don't like rejects from other med schools no matter where they are, but the fact that OP took the Carib route makes him/her particularly DOA with us because the MD was more import to OP. Even the DOs at LUCOM would pass on this candidate.

So, my advice is to work on Plan B. You've had your chance.
 
Anecdote =/= Data, but I do personally know someone who dropped out of a Carib school after a semester 2/2 a serious personal illness, got healthy, and is at an LCME school today after a post-bac. Carib to US MD/DO isn't IMPOSSIBLE to but is highly highly unlikely.

If you drop out of Ross, don't immediately go back to school. Go work. Figure out what you really want to do with life, which includes a backup plan.
 
Merely judging OP by his logic with this plea for advice paints a picture of his thought process. OP you have failed out of a graduate level training at a school that is notoriously known for accepting below average students willing to foot the bill in order to gain a MD title. Then you have the audacity to respond as you did to a slightly reasonable suggestion to look into other careers. Namely PA (something you obviously know nothing about and which you are NOT competitive for). Let me put it to you this way. Many PA school applicants have very competitive stats. GPAs 3.6 and higher. Some of my friends applying to PA after switching from Med school applicants have MCATs in the 30 range. I doubt any reputable PA program (Example: UF 1400 applicants, 60 seats) would give you the time of day. Private for profit schools. Maybe. I hope you heed the advice of trying to fix your grades and keep your doc dreams alive. Best of luck.

This.

Who are all you people saying that PA is a second option for MD/DO? PA school is getting more and more competitive. It is def. no longer a plan B for med school drop outs. I would say if anything RN to NP is the best way to make it there.

In this case, OP you need to just accept that you are not medicine material. Sorry. I accepted early on in the game that I was not pro-soccer material- my body is not just made for it. So I chose something that I like but more importantly something that I AM GOOD AT. Your mind may just not be made for medicine. It's time to either realize this, or get your **** together.

My opinion is to get out now or you are gonna be in big trouble with lots of debt and no job prospects.

If you must stay in health care, do something else related that requires less of you.
 
This.

Who are all you people saying that PA is a second option for MD/DO? PA school is getting more and more competitive. It is def. no longer a plan B for med school drop outs. I would say if anything RN to NP is the best way to make it there.

In this case, OP you need to just accept that you are not medicine material. Sorry. I accepted early on in the game that I was not pro-soccer material- my body is not just made for it. So I chose something that I like but more importantly something that I AM GOOD AT. Your mind may just not be made for medicine. It's time to either realize this, or get your **** together.

My opinion is to get out now or you are gonna be in big trouble with lots of debt and no job prospects.

If you must stay in health care, do something else related that requires less of you.

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...is disappointed at your lack of passion and is using your lack of dedication as an example of why the US will never win a world cup.
 
This.

Who are all you people saying that PA is a second option for MD/DO? PA school is getting more and more competitive. It is def. no longer a plan B for med school drop outs. I would say if anything RN to NP is the best way to make it there.
He wouldn't be going to PA school at Duke.
 
PA school is harder to get into than a DO school for a mediocre student. Podiatry school curriculum is very demanding (from what I've understood, it's pretty much the same as medical school for years 1 and 2). Suggesting those to OP is not good advice.

Leave Ross, do a postbacc (either structured or "build your own" at a state school) to get more experience with upper level science curriculum. You need to refine your study habits, which is hard and takes work - but is doable. Most of us figure this out during the first semester at some point, some people take longer.

I know it sounds ideal to be able to just magically kill your next semester at Ross, but is that realistic? Material only gets harder and faster paced. Further, Ross isn't a supportive environment for someone who needs academic help.

Admitting that you have deficiencies and need to improve them is half the battle. It is better to realize that and address them than to convince yourself otherwise. Good luck OP.
 
I think the question is less "would a US school admit me?" than "would I be able to get through Ross at all, and if so, at what cost?" I'm certainly no expert, but what I've seen and heard from other students and residents, the answer to the first question is a resounding "no." As far as the second question, that's harder to say. You need to be honest with yourself and examine those "various reasons" and whether they can be fixed. And even if you were to graduate, you have to consider the increasing competitiveness of the match. I think you need to envision the worst case scenario (finishing Ross and not matching, being dismissed from Ross later down the road for academic reasons, etc) and how or if those situations could be salvaged (financially, personally, etc.) If they can't, get out now. If you want to stay in the medical field I imagine nursing would be a decent way to go, but as others have said, PA school is getting more competitive. I don't know much about podiatry, optometry, etc. Maybe also consider grad school/post bacc/research of some kind in another field that you might have experience in, for example what you studied in undergrad.
 
The OP clearly stated no "bashing," and suggesting PA and other professional schools because OP can't do the first semester at ROSS is not only bashing but also denigrates all the other PAs etc that go into these programs--as if PA were a lesser, less intelligent profession. I would recommend to quit ROSS and attack shortcoming--yes, over a number of years. I liked the advice to quit and work and do so many other things that are possible while out of school and then returning with a clear mind set. Perhaps 5-10 years later the OP may come back stronger and more determined--ADCOMs will see the difference. To apply the next two cycles to ANY program would be a very poor choice.
 
The OP clearly stated no "bashing," and suggesting PA and other professional schools because OP can't do the first semester at ROSS is not only bashing but also denigrates all the other PAs etc that go into these programs--as if PA were a lesser, less intelligent profession. I would recommend to quit ROSS and attack shortcoming--yes, over a number of years. I liked the advice to quit and work and do so many other things that are possible while out of school and then returning with a clear mind set. Perhaps 5-10 years later the OP may come back stronger and more determined--ADCOMs will see the difference. To apply the next two cycles to any program would be a very poor choice.
I don't see anyone here denigrating PA and no one has said PA is a 'lesser intelligent profession'... There are programs in healthcare that are easier to get into and are not demanding as med school, but that does not mean the people that are in them are less intelligent...
 
Most disturbing things in OP's original post:

1) Complete lack of insight as to why he/she failed. Sorry, just not buying the vague "various reasons" thing. People don't fail for various reasons, they fail for big, readily identifiable reasons.

2) Posts this the DAY BEFORE his final exam. The time to post and seek real advice was weeks/months ago. Posting the day before the final again points to a lack of insight.

These two issues make me seriously doubt the OP's ability to do any better going forward. It also makes me doubt his/her ability to perform well in any other professional school. My honest advice would be to cut your losses now. Figure out the real reasons behind your failure and then find another career path. US MD is a non-starter and I think your odds of finishing medical school at all are pretty slim (to say nothing of finding a residency position). Don't borrow another cent until you can readily articulate both your reasons for failure and your plans to fix it going forward.
 
The OP clearly stated no "bashing," and suggesting PA and other professional schools because OP can't do the first semester at ROSS is not only bashing but also denigrates all the other PAs etc that go into these programs--as if PA were a lesser, less intelligent profession.
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The OP clearly stated no "bashing," and suggesting PA and other professional schools because OP can't do the first semester at ROSS is not only bashing but also denigrates all the other PAs etc that go into these programs--as if PA were a lesser, less intelligent profession. I would recommend to quit ROSS and attack shortcoming--yes, over a number of years. I liked the advice to quit and work and do so many other things that are possible while out of school and then returning with a clear mind set. Perhaps 5-10 years later the OP may come back stronger and more determined--ADCOMs will see the difference. To apply the next two cycles to ANY program would be a very poor choice.

Unless OP is taking med school classes in those years and crushing them, there's nothing that would really instill confidence in an adcom that they could pull it off. The MCAT and taking undergrad courses are not a substitute for med school courses. No one is bashing OP. Being honest and blunt about their prospects of getting into a med school stateside and their prospects for residency where they are is not bashing. It may not be palatable, but it's better than being surrounded by false hope and yes men.

I haven't seen anyone say that PAs are less intelligent in here or that it is a lesser profession, either, so stop making straw man arguments.
 
This.

Who are all you people saying that PA is a second option for MD/DO? PA school is getting more and more competitive. It is def. no longer a plan B for med school drop outs. I would say if anything RN to NP is the best way to make it there.

In this case, OP you need to just accept that you are not medicine material. Sorry. I accepted early on in the game that I was not pro-soccer material- my body is not just made for it. So I chose something that I like but more importantly something that I AM GOOD AT. Your mind may just not be made for medicine. It's time to either realize this, or get your **** together.

My opinion is to get out now or you are gonna be in big trouble with lots of debt and no job prospects.

If you must stay in health care, do something else related that requires less of you.

Some people might still be living in 2005 or prior. PA would have been a backup then. Now? Nope. ABSN program then apply to NP or work in critical care for a bit then apply to CRNA might be a better shot. GL OP. Heck, even try Pharmacy school.
 
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Unless OP is taking med school classes in those years and crushing them, there's nothing that would really instill confidence in an adcom that they could pull it off. The MCAT and taking undergrad courses are not a substitute for med school courses. No one is bashing OP. Being honest and blunt about their prospects of getting into a med school stateside and their prospects for residency where they are is not bashing. It may not be palatable, but it's better than being surrounded by false hope and yes men.

I haven't seen anyone say that PAs are less intelligent in here or that it is a lesser profession, either, so stop making straw man arguments.
 
To everyone who is suggesting that OP looks at PA schools, you do realize that a number of them are really competitive right? Like 3.6 gpa competative? I doubt those programs are super eagar to take in a failed ned student when they reject people with 3.5 gpas

Op personally, if I were in ur shoes I would look into nursing with the idea of eventually going NP. At least then a nurse can make $$
 
To everyone who is suggesting that OP looks at PA schools, you do realize that a number of them are really competitive right? Like 3.6 gpa competative? I doubt those programs are super eagar to take in a failed ned student when they reject people with 3.5 gpas

Op personally, if I were in ur shoes I would look into nursing with the idea of eventually going NP. At least then a nurse can make $$

According to the 28th PAEA report (2011-2012), the average undergrad GPA for PA school matriculants was a 3.47 and the average science GPA was a 3.36. If you include non-CASPA schools, it becomes 3.43 overall and 3.39 science. Unless you're telling me that the average GPA jumped up fairly sharply in the past two or three years, I'm inclined to believe that the competitiveness of PA school stems from the fact that there are way more applicants than seats available, probably more so than with med school applications with re: to ratio of applicants:matriculants. Also, the GRE is easier than the MCAT.
 
No one pointed out the irony of this thread created by "One Chance."

In all seriousness, I hope this experience serves as a humbling one and more importantly, a wake-up call. For starters, you may have to get rid of that arrogance disguised by the "How about not" comment. Your attitude needs to be changed in whatever endeavor you decide to pursue. What if you responded "how about not" to an attending or a supervisor's suggestion?

Once you fixed that and identified your weaknesses, then spend a whole day in the pre-allopathic/osteopathic forum on SDN looking for anecdotal successes to help get your overall act together. Reinventing yourself doesn't happen overnight. Bueno suerte.
 
According to the 28th PAEA report (2011-2012), the average undergrad GPA for PA school matriculants was a 3.47 and the average science GPA was a 3.36. If you include non-CASPA schools, it becomes 3.43 overall and 3.39 science. Unless you're telling me that the average GPA jumped up fairly sharply in the past two or three years, I'm inclined to believe that the competitiveness of PA school stems from the fact that there are way more applicants than seats available, probably more so than with med school applications with re: to ratio of applicants:matriculants. Also, the GRE is easier than the MCAT.

I prepared for both and no doubt MCAT is harder than GRE. But people make MCAT seem like the end of the world way too frequently. A lot of the lower end GPA pre PA students have thousands of hours of HCE to make up for a lower end GPA. Not all but a lot do. HCE is pertinent in the PA app.
 
If you drop out of Ross, don't immediately go back to school. Go work. Figure out what you really want to do with life, which includes a backup plan.

OP, take a nice long 5-10 year break. Try teaching science and travelling. You will get by and have time to grow. I have been a premed since I was 19 and I'm 27 now. I could have been you, going to med school before I was ready. Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster I decided to live a little first and I'm looking forward to an exciting first cycle next year. I wouldn't recommend staying at Ross to anyone who wasn't an independently wealthy glutton for punishment.
 
OP, take a nice long 5-10 year break. Try teaching science and travelling. You will get by and have time to grow. I have been a premed since I was 19 and I'm 27 now. I could have been you, going to med school before I was ready. Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster I decided to live a little first and I'm looking forward to an exciting first cycle next year. I wouldn't recommend staying at Ross to anyone who wasn't an independently wealthy glutton for punishment.
Dang now that's what I call commitment.
 
I prepared for both and no doubt MCAT is harder than GRE. But people make MCAT seem like the end of the world way too frequently. A lot of the lower end GPA pre PA students have thousands of hours of HCE to make up for a lower end GPA. Not all but a lot do. HCE is pertinent in the PA app.

I know. Isn't that experience required of all applicants, though?

We act like it's the end of the world because the threshold for having a competitive score is relatively high for a test that is fairly difficult. I'm sure that a high GRE score is required for PA school as well considering the high level of competitiveness, but achieving that high score is arguably easier, I think.
 
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