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OK-I NEED SOME ADVICE_ You all seem to be so bright(this is not sarcastic) and I have been struggling throughout and have now failed Step 1-I am not sure what the problem is-graduated near top of my class in a VERY competitive school-good mcats-close to perfect SATs(boy was that long ago) As i said in another thread, I had been doing well on all practice stuff, but when I went in for the real thing, it looked nothing like the practice questions-I thought I was taking a PHD exam. So.....it must be me coz nobody else seemed to have this problem. My school recommends I take a program like Pass or the Kansas program(umkc). Any recommendations or advice from you guys? Anyone actually participate or know anyone who participated in these programs?
 
I do not have any experience with those programs, but I am sorry to hear that you did not pass. I think the best study options are very indivdualized depending on how you learn best. Are you an auditory learner or do you retain things better with reading? Do you study better alone or with others? Does a structured plan help you stay focused and on goal? I'm sure some other people on SDN will have some great advice for you. Keep your chin up...at least you first experience gave you an idea of the areas you need to focus on to improve your score.
 
if the exam felt that different to you, it sounds like a structured program (especially one where you could get feedback) is probably a good idea. I'm not sure what practice stuff you used or how much you did of it, but if it was the regular q-bank it shouldn't have looked THAT much different than the real exam. good luck to you!
 
nutmegs said:
if the exam felt that different to you, it sounds like a structured program (especially one where you could get feedback) is probably a good idea. I'm not sure what practice stuff you used or how much you did of it, but if it was the regular q-bank it shouldn't have looked THAT much different than the real exam. good luck to you!


Thanks for the feedback. I'm pretty discouraged. I'm really not sure what to do. I don't know if I got a weird test or what-I got so many biochemistry/what enzyme questions and hardly any of the stuff I encountered in q bank or on the practice nbme. ( I actually got a higher score on the practice NBME before I began studying than on the real deal) I'm really not sure what to do, because if I pay almost 8K and screw up all my rotations for 3rd year and the programs suck, then I'll be really pissed. On the other hand, if my score wasn't a fluke and I'm going to repeat the same plan only to fail again, that would be foolish.
 
ziffy 850 said:
Thanks for the feedback. I'm pretty discouraged. I'm really not sure what to do. I don't know if I got a weird test or what-I got so many biochemistry/what enzyme questions and hardly any of the stuff I encountered in q bank or on the practice nbme. ( I actually got a higher score on the practice NBME before I began studying than on the real deal) I'm really not sure what to do, because if I pay almost 8K and screw up all my rotations for 3rd year and the programs suck, then I'll be really pissed. On the other hand, if my score wasn't a fluke and I'm going to repeat the same plan only to fail again, that would be foolish.

Hey there ziffy, just out of curiosity, could you give us a brief outline of your study plan? Also, were you sick on the day of the exam?
 
ziffy 850 said:
Thanks for the feedback. I'm pretty discouraged. I'm really not sure what to do. I don't know if I got a weird test or what-I got so many biochemistry/what enzyme questions and hardly any of the stuff I encountered in q bank or on the practice nbme. ( I actually got a higher score on the practice NBME before I began studying than on the real deal) I'm really not sure what to do, because if I pay almost 8K and screw up all my rotations for 3rd year and the programs suck, then I'll be really pissed. On the other hand, if my score wasn't a fluke and I'm going to repeat the same plan only to fail again, that would be foolish.

Hey Ziffy,

Sorry to hear about your results. How much time are you planning on spending to study for Step I now? Because if you don't want to graduate late, then you'll have to check and see how much time your school will allow. Otherwise, if you plan on taking a year off or perhaps 6 months off, you can always look at the Kaplan Extended Prep course, that's the one that Goljan teaches for a week or something, and it's basically 12 weeks all with really good professors, from what I've heard.

Another thing is that you can look at this as an opportunity to score very well instead of just studying enough to pass. Evaluate how much time you need off and want to study, and then check into the Kaplan Extended Prep Program, the PASS Program, UMKC etc.

Hope this helps,

FF
 
bluebirdie said:
Hey there ziffy, just out of curiosity, could you give us a brief outline of your study plan? Also, were you sick on the day of the exam?

I wasn't sick-maybe just tired. I took about 7 weeks to study for the test-took the nbme full length practice and scored a passing grade in April before I really started studying. I did review sessions 3 days per week with a study partner for the first 4-5 weeks and then reviewed and did q bank on my own. I really felt like I was in OK shape going in, but well....I don't have to go over my feelings after.

If I take the 8 week umkc program, I will miss a 12 week rotation, but my school says they can rearrange my schedule so that I take fp and psychiatry 4th year. That would mean, however, that I would be taking surgery and medicine back to back and I would be at a disadvantage as far as clinical experience goes. I feel like I'm in a no win situation. What do you think? Am I the only person that's failed this?
 
hey ziffy, you are not the only one who has failed this, you are just brave enough to speak up and get some advice!

for what it's worth, i am taking fp and psych my 4th year also (but i don't want to go into them), and i am taking obgyn, med II, and surgery back to back my 3rd year. it's how my schedule worked out so that's just what i have to do! yeah, it'll suck but it will end eventually.

sounds like you had more than enough time and prepped relatively well, so i don't know what to tell you. maybe taking a class will help you be a little more intense and focused the second time around.

also, how did you feel the day of? i don't know if you freak out during tests when they aren't going well, but i do every once in a while, and it always works for me to sit, close my eyes, and breathe, then find one question i can answer, then find another, and just work through the test that way.
 
You know.....that's why I'm so confused. I really didn't freak out. I'm wondering if (a) I just don't know the material well enough or (b) I'm just having trouble taking this test. Either way, I'm thinking I should bite the bullet and take one of these prep courses-but which one?
 
I wish I could help you with the classes, but I didn't take one!
 
ziffy 850 said:
I wasn't sick-maybe just tired. I took about 7 weeks to study for the test-took the nbme full length practice and scored a passing grade in April before I really started studying. I did review sessions 3 days per week with a study partner for the first 4-5 weeks and then reviewed and did q bank on my own. I really felt like I was in OK shape going in, but well....I don't have to go over my feelings after.

If I take the 8 week umkc program, I will miss a 12 week rotation, but my school says they can rearrange my schedule so that I take fp and psychiatry 4th year. That would mean, however, that I would be taking surgery and medicine back to back and I would be at a disadvantage as far as clinical experience goes. I feel like I'm in a no win situation. What do you think? Am I the only person that's failed this?

You are not at a disadvantage taking medicine and sugery back to back. I did both medicine and surgery back to back and I felt fine. The order that you do your rotations does not matter.

I hope this helps. Sorry to hear man
 
How close were you to passing? Your step 1 score does correlate with the likelyhood of passing on your second attempt (data is availabe through First Aid, etc.) For example, in 1997 if you failed step 1 with a score of 172, your chance of passing on a second attempt was 80%. If you had a 164, your chance dropped to 50%. So, if you are more than a couple of points away from the pass line, I'd take the intense prep course.
 
could you post for us what u got on the usmle cd, nbme 1/2, qbank percentages, step i score?
 
nbme scores were equivalent to a 184 in April prior to any studying second nbme was equivalent to a 220 one week before real deal -qbank(random) ranged 55-75 but mostly high 60's low 70s-usmle step 1 172
 
ziffy 850 said:
nbme scores were equivalent to a 184 in April prior to any studying second nbme was equivalent to a 220 one week before real deal -qbank(random) ranged 55-75 but mostly high 60's low 70s-usmle step 1 172

darn..thats unfortunate. 🙁 can't believe you had a -50 point difference from the nbme. i'm sweating right now since i got a ~210 on nbme 1 and was averaging 55% in qbank n mostly random. still waiting for my score.
 
ziffy 850 said:
nbme scores were equivalent to a 184 in April prior to any studying second nbme was equivalent to a 220 one week before real deal -qbank(random) ranged 55-75 but mostly high 60's low 70s-usmle step 1 172

From these scores it looks like you just had a “bad day”. It sounds like you prepared enough to easily pass the exam (60 and 70s on Q-bank are solid scores).
I’m not sure if others agree but it doesn’t seem like you need to send so much money on a prep course.
I would just read BRS Path and Physio and go through FA 2-3 times and supplement with IV q-bank questions. Should take you 3-4 weeks.
It sounds like you already have a pretty good foundation so you will definitely pass.
You can use the money and time you saved to go to Hawaii for a couple of weeks 😉

Good luck
 
komodor said:
From these scores it looks like you just had a “bad day”. It sounds like you prepared enough to easily pass the exam (60 and 70s on Q-bank are solid scores).
I’m not sure if others agree but it doesn’t seem like you need to send so much money on a prep course.
I would just read BRS Path and Physio and go through FA 2-3 times and supplement with IV q-bank questions. Should take you 3-4 weeks.
It sounds like you already have a pretty good foundation so you will definitely pass.
You can use the money and time you saved to go to Hawaii for a couple of weeks 😉

Good luck
I wish I could be certain that you're right. Everyone's got me nervous that I should take one of those courses-now they're talking about FALCON in Dallas-and I don't know if I'm up for it, but.....don't want to take the risk. I just don't know. Thoughts???? Anyone know FALCON??
 
ziffy 850 said:
I wish I could be certain that you're right. Everyone's got me nervous that I should take one of those courses-now they're talking about FALCON in Dallas-and I don't know if I'm up for it, but.....don't want to take the risk. I just don't know. Thoughts???? Anyone know FALCON??

hey ziffy...i'm sorry to hear about ur situation...but listen, **** happens, u r not the first nor the only one to fail this test and definately won't be the last...as for now u need to focus and see what went wrong...my advise is to look at your score breakdown and see which areas got u the worst so u can spend more time on them..this should be ur #1 priority. the step 1 is not about facts anymore..its all about concepts and tying everything together...
and this is what these prep courses do...they just bring the facts that u already know together.
I didnt attend any of these courses...but i bought the pass program course from ebay....a set of three discs worth of lectures (6 weeks) and frankly they helped me ALOT! i didnt make them my primary study source but more like a final solidifying "touch".

dont let this get u down....focus and u will kill it the next time around...i sincerely wish u all the best

peace
 
ziffy 850 said:
I wish I could be certain that you're right. Everyone's got me nervous that I should take one of those courses-now they're talking about FALCON in Dallas-and I don't know if I'm up for it, but.....don't want to take the risk. I just don't know. Thoughts???? Anyone know FALCON??


regarding Falcon

"Before I took Step 1, I took the Falcon review in
Dallas. That was a total waste. The physio
instructor was incompetent & was fired on the first
day, then not a lot happened w/that topic. The guy
doing behavioral it was his last time to lecture for
them. he was adversarial & just really bad. Tended
to pick on students. The capper to this was path.
their instructor was sooooo bad he could only read the
power points didn't have a clue & couldn't answer
questions. So after the first day class attendance
went from 80 to 5 or 6. My take home from this review
was almost nil. We meaning several students actually
emailed several times to each other about doing a
class action suit against them."

i was in contact with a guy that did the review. i do know 2 people who passed step 2 after doing Falcon, but i heard their step 1 course wasnt so good
 
As bad as it was, did you pass Step 1? I think I need some kind of structure, but I feel when you talk to these course directors-or whatever they are- they're just salesmen. The Falcon people sound like they're more content based and the umkc people basically tell you that you don't have to know anything to pass-just how to take the test. (They don't SAY that, but it is definitely inferred) Who's right? For 5-8K and my entire career -I feel like I can't make this decision lightly.
 
Hi Ziffy,

I really feel for you, although I've never been in your shoes... Maybe what you could do is sign up for something cheaper like Kaplan Webprep just to make sure that you're hitting all the Step 1 content.

In terms of concept integration and test taking strategy, which is the major factor in weather or not you get a question right, I think the best way is to find someone you know/trust/like who did really well on the boards. (this might be tough, since we're all busy on the wards now, but anyway)

Then just sit with that person and do questions with them. Have them explain out loud to you their thinking process, why are they able to eliminate certain answers? how do they get rid of the distractors? how do they sort through a complicated question stem to pick out the fundamental concept being tested?

You should also explain your thinking process to them even if you get the questions right. Have them tell you where your reasoning is off track. Is it a memorization/fact problem, or did you miss a question because you've got a glitch in your understanding of some principle that you could have sworn you understood. After a few sessions like this you WILL start to think like an expert test taker, and I'm sure you'll pass the second time around.

Good Luck.
 
Doc Ivy said:
Hi Ziffy,

I really feel for you, although I've never been in your shoes... Maybe what you could do is sign up for something cheaper like Kaplan Webprep just to make sure that you're hitting all the Step 1 content.

In terms of concept integration and test taking strategy, which is the major factor in weather or not you get a question right, I think the best way is to find someone you know/trust/like who did really well on the boards. (this might be tough, since we're all busy on the wards now, but anyway)

Then just sit with that person and do questions with them. Have them explain out loud to you their thinking process, why are they able to eliminate certain answers? how do they get rid of the distractors? how do they sort through a complicated question stem to pick out the fundamental concept being tested?

You should also explain your thinking process to them even if you get the questions right. Have them tell you where your reasoning is off track. Is it a memorization/fact problem, or did you miss a question because you've got a glitch in your understanding of some principle that you could have sworn you understood. After a few sessions like this you WILL start to think like an expert test taker, and I'm sure you'll pass the second time around.

Good Luck.

Thanks for the advice. I totally am on your page, but as you said, everyone's really busy with their own stuff and I can't expect any kind of serious time from them. I am tempted to go it alone, but........
 
This is from a person who took both Falcon Review and the UMKC course. Falcon review will lecture for about 8 hours a day and that is it. My litmus test for Falcon review was that there were zero texans at the course. That made me a bit nervous. I have had one friend who has taken the course twice now. She failed after failing the second time and retook the course. She failed again.
I took falcon review and missed passing by two points. I decided to take the UMKC course. Again the litmus test. Folks from everywhere including KU right down the street were there. They lecture, question group, presentations, and encourage creativity in learning as opposed to memorizing robbins. It worked for me. I went to the four month course and spent 8 grand but you know it is worth every penny because I am finally a third year. I say make an expensive investment. Forget Falcon Review.
 
bigpurple said:
This is from a person who took both Falcon Review and the UMKC course. Falcon review will lecture for about 8 hours a day and that is it. My litmus test for Falcon review was that there were zero texans at the course. That made me a bit nervous. I have had one friend who has taken the course twice now. She failed after failing the second time and retook the course. She failed again.
I took falcon review and missed passing by two points. I decided to take the UMKC course. Again the litmus test. Folks from everywhere including KU right down the street were there. They lecture, question group, presentations, and encourage creativity in learning as opposed to memorizing robbins. It worked for me. I went to the four month course and spent 8 grand but you know it is worth every penny because I am finally a third year. I say make an expensive investment. Forget Falcon Review.

You only failed by two points. Do you think you probably would have passed anyway if you studied on your own for an additional 4 months? I am nervous about the content at UMKC. After speaking with them, they sound great and the concept sounds feasible, but the small groups are not taught by mds or phds, so who is the "go to" with questions? Also, what did you do for living and eating. I don't want to eat junk food for 8 weeks and come back a blimp.
 
ziffy 850 said:
As bad as it was, did you pass Step 1? I think I need some kind of structure, but I feel when you talk to these course directors-or whatever they are- they're just salesmen. The Falcon people sound like they're more content based and the umkc people basically tell you that you don't have to know anything to pass-just how to take the test. (They don't SAY that, but it is definitely inferred) Who's right? For 5-8K and my entire career -I feel like I can't make this decision lightly.

I think those courses are a big waste unless you're absolutely terrible at studying and taking tests. I hate to be the only one that seems to point out the white elephant in the room, but I have to say that you need to understand why you didn't pass. It's crucial that you identify what went wrong. Otherwise no matter how much you know you may fail again, and that would really suck. A few things, when you took the test, how was your pace, did you use the timed questions on Kaplan Q bank? And what about your NBME scores, what areas were you on the low-borderline range.

It sounds like you must have a few clear chunks missing in the step 1 knowledge base. If you can identify a few of those, usually areas of cardio, renal, or pharm are tested hard, you could increase your score reasonably easy by focusing on those areas. I read somewhere on the borderline pass scores each 3-5 correct questions will bump you up a point, don't quote me on that, I think I read it out of FA.

I don't think the class would be worth it. Super long and expensive, if it was me I would reschedule step 1 in 10 days and just study every waking moment. Right now is the best time because you just took the test and are familiar with the material/test format. If you wait a few months you'll have to relearn all that stuff you actually do know. Just shut yourself up and study at least 16 hours a day. I know it sounds crazy, but you should be able to brush easiely especially considering you appear to have good test taking skills with your high SAT score. My own experience makes me want to suggest you might also consider learning really well steroid Molecular mechanisms, Anemia differential according to labs, ITP, TTP, DIC, COPD/Asthma with medications used and spirometry/graphs specific to those conditions, those anoying end diastolic volume, etc curves for Cardiac along with a clear understanding of preload/afterload correlation, where the renal drugs act and their effect on electrolytes, the pnuemonia facts, types and bugs that cause it, which ones are the highest on the list and what drugs to treat it, know specifically where penicillin is just as good to use and when you need something else. Knowing where antibiotics bind and what they stop/inhibit, and as far as endocrine know the basic feedback loops, especially adrenal gland and associated gonadal changes as far as congenital and later in life, and the vit D, Ca, Phos, Bone loop. Those are highly tested and in my opinion posibly the shortest highest yeild guide.

Good Luck, Just a little more to go and you'll pass easily! 😉
 
Wow-you definitely sound like you know your stuff-and I know in my heart that what you're saying is so true.....but I no longer have confidence in myself. I am dreading taking one of those courses-basically dropping out of my life for 2 months-but I'm just soooo afraid to take the gamble. THEY keep telling my if I take a course my chances are better. I'm still on the fence. I've got a shelf coming up and if I do well on that I might go it alone. If I screw that up, well then, maybe I need help.

Your advice as to what to concentrate on is good. The weird thing about my results on the real deal is that it in no way matched up with my results on the practice. I showed weaknesses in my strong areas, and actually did ok on pharm and cardiology. I had lowest scores in genetics(always my strongest field) general principles(cmon) and pathology(expected), I was strong in pathophys all the way through class, and yet did horribly in renal, etc. Biochem was strong. (actually, nothing was STRONG, BUT relatively speaking)I'm still so dazed about what happened, I am having trouble getting by it.
 
hey ziffy, good luck with the step 1! PASS program will work if you are looking for the 'big picture' ... after the first 2 weeks or so you'll feel like doing a lot of the studying by yourself. i hope they've added someone for pharm. it was not good before. there will be a lot of repetition and memorization. if you are lucky and get a good tutor then this can work out very well. most of the tutors though... u need to work on making them feel comfortable before they start showing u how to answer questions, etc.
my exam wasn't like q bank... q bank had clinical scenario type questions mostly... but step 1 was more like nbme type of a test. ... 🙁
 
you also might try looking into the PASS program videos. I used them to study for Step 1 & I thought they were incredible. It helped to be able to have him go through the info & make the relevant correlations that helped me to understand how to answer step 1 ?'s. My problem with medical school in general up until step 1 was understanding what they were asking. The PASS program does a great job at helping you be able to identify the concepts they are trying to test & then answer the ?'s. You can buy them directly from the website (or I've seen them sold on eBay for much less 😉 . Also, doing it with the videos on the cpu you can use programs like enounce to speed up the videos, watch them when you want, & take breaks in the middle of a section to do ?'s or eat lunch or whatever. I thought it gave you all of the benefit of the course without the downside of being on their schedule.

Also, in reading your posts about your study plan, did you only study 3 days a week for the first few weeks or did you study on your own the other days & with a study budy for those 3 days a week?

Good luck.
 
Hey ziff,

I know this may sound kinda silly but you have to first build your confidence back up. It can really make a difference in your outlook and that will reflect in your score. I didn't really believe this could help but during our psych block in second year one of our instructors talked about positive imagery. I figured trying it couldn't hurt so I started using it and believe it or not I started getting better test scores.

When I took the MCATs during junior year of college I was terrified and had no confidence in myself. I was doing well in college (mostly As) but I knew that MCATs were so important that I psyched myself out. I also got sick two days before the exam. Personally, I think I got sick because I was so stressed out and my immune system just broke down.

Needless to say I didn't score so hot (I got a 6 on the verbal section and 10s on bio and phys). I was totally bummed out and depressed when I got my score and knew that I was going to have to re-take the exam to get in to med school. The second time around I did much better ... mainly because I didn't let myself doubt my abilities and I studied a bit differently (I focused more on my weaknesses).

My best advice would be to take a few days and try to get some rest and relax. Try and build your confidence up and know that this time you are going to pass! It sounds like you are incredibly smart and you are going to get through it.

I didn't take a prep course for the Boards and don't know anyone that did but I did take one for MCATs (I did the Kaplan 2 month course) and thought it was a major waste of 1K. It really depends on how you learn best though. If you are an auditory learner and like to be lectured to then it’s probably worth it. If you are more of an individual learner and can stay on track then I would just re-use your books and maybe buy a few more (in whatever your weak areas were).

Best of luck and if you just need to vent and need some support feel free to PM me 😉
 
hey!
don't get yourself down! there is no reason why you can't do well. know frist aid inside out! reading it 3-4 times will do.
 
bruinkid said:
hey!
don't get yourself down! there is no reason why you can't do well. know frist aid inside out! reading it 3-4 times will do.

I took the UMKC course after failing step one the first time taking it. I was only a few points from passing which almost made me feel worse than needing a bunch more to pass. I took the 8-9 week program and I HIGHLY recommend it. The group sessions are better than you'd think. I had some apprehensions about the program before it began and even in the beginning but it turned out wonderfully. I raised my score ~20 points. It's time intensive and you just have to do everything they say. It sounds like you were close by what you were doing prior to the exam. I know how much this sucks and how you feel. I felt like this program helped with my confidence, helped with my test taking, knowledge, and how to present things in front of others which helped greatly during third year. I passes Step 2 with no problems and will be tackling Step 3 in November. If you have specific questions about the program feel free to PM me.

Good luck!
 
Noelle said:
I took the UMKC course after failing step one the first time taking it. I was only a few points from passing which almost made me feel worse than needing a bunch more to pass. I took the 8-9 week program and I HIGHLY recommend it. The group sessions are better than you'd think. I had some apprehensions about the program before it began and even in the beginning but it turned out wonderfully. I raised my score ~20 points. It's time intensive and you just have to do everything they say. It sounds like you were close by what you were doing prior to the exam. I know how much this sucks and how you feel. I felt like this program helped with my confidence, helped with my test taking, knowledge, and how to present things in front of others which helped greatly during third year. I passes Step 2 with no problems and will be tackling Step 3 in November. If you have specific questions about the program feel free to PM me.

Good luck!


Thanks-I pmd you with questions.
 
hey -- i failed my boards by one point the first time round (after having taken kaplan -- what a waste of time and money). i studied on my own for a while for the second go round but when i took the practice nbme i was only a few points above passing and that freaked me out. so i decided to do the pass program out in urbana. at the end of the day, i'd have to say it was worth the investment. i went up from a 181 to 218. there are some tremendous strengths with regard to the pass program. dr. francis teaches everything at a very conceptual level -- his emphasis is "if you understand the physiology, you can figure out the disease process and treatment." at first i was skeptical (i was bothered by the fact that there was no pathology section to the class). but by the end of the course, he made me a believer. i struggled all through medical school and by the time i finished his class, i have found that i can stand on even ground with the rest of my classmates. after having finished the class a while ago, i can already feel myself forgetting stuff he taught me and i can see how my performances is beginning to decline. i am considering going out there again for step 2. that being said, there are a few points of frustration associated with the class. it's expensive, his notes suck, most of the tutors are bad, the facility is horrible, and it's super super super expensive. but the bottom line is -- i passed and raised my score by almost 40 points so i'm definitely not complaining.

feel free to write me an private message if you have further questions -- i'd be happy to give you my number to talk about the pass program as well if you'd like at that point.
 
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