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Hi everyone:

I have a friend at western who started in fall 2010. They are now a sophomore at Western. They told me 5-6 people dropped out/failed the program and transferred to CSPM (the other pod school in Cali). Can someone please tell me if the classes are easier and certain schools or how does that all work? I know I am not the BEST and strongest in my science courses but I do fairly okay.
 
Hi everyone:

I have a friend at western who started in fall 2010. They are now a sophomore at Western. They told me 5-6 people dropped out/failed the program and transferred to CSPM (the other pod school in Cali). Can someone please tell me if the classes are easier and certain schools or how does that all work? I know I am not the BEST and strongest in my science courses but I do fairly okay.

Somehow in a few sentences you got me confused. So you have several friends who are at western right now telling you some people failed and transferred to CSPM, and you want to know if classes are thus easier at CSPM than Western? Do you want to go to a school that has easier classes? Is that what you're looking for?
 
I think it's relevant to specify that Western mixes its podiatry curriculum with DO, whereas cspm's podiatry curriculum is totally exclusive.
 
Hey Attack, cut the OP some slack, man! Lol. Finding out what all the schools are like is one of the biggest reasons for the pre-pod forum. If he/she is looking for an easy school, where is he supposed to find out which one that is? It's probably not the most noble cause, but who are we to judge?
 
Somehow in a few sentences you got me confused. So you have several friends who are at western right now telling you some people failed and transferred to CSPM, and you want to know if classes are thus easier at CSPM than Western? Do you want to go to a school that has easier classes? Is that what you're looking for?

Classic Attack comment...
 
If that's what I was looking for I obviously wouldn't be interested in any type of medical school. I'm asking if there is actually that big of a difficulty difference in schools?


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Hi everyone:

I have a friend at western who started in fall 2010. They are now a sophomore at Western. They told me 5-6 people dropped out/failed the program and transferred to CSPM (the other pod school in Cali). Can someone please tell me if the classes are easier and certain schools or how does that all work? I know I am not the BEST and strongest in my science courses but I do fairly okay.

Talk to people from CSPM. All schools are not created equally. Also consider residency appointments, if this is an issue in the pod field. If residency is just as good, and CSPM is easier, and no time will be lost, then go. If you are doing fine though at Western, just stay. Its obvious it is harder to pass the caribbean MD programs then some other programs. Lots of people fail out and they make you think its their fault. Don't sweat it. You should really think though that the challenge might make you a better person.
 
Hello there,
I am currently a first year at Western and I can fill you in on how the program is.
I have many friends at CSPM and I believe the program at Western is more challenging.
We are fully integrated into the D.O. program minus the OMM class they take and instead we take our podiatry related course which is called PMP. Our schedule is practically 8-5 everyday, so in that aspect it is also a little more challenging balancing everything out.

Now the challenge I think will help us down the line. It might be tough now, but we will understand why we went through it once we get into our rotations.

Bottom line, just pick where you feel most comfortable being. The resources are always available to you that will help you succeed, you just have to have the drive for it.

Let me know if you have any other questions, I will gladly answer any of them.
 
Since most schools probably have similar amounts of testing, and most people don't spend all their off of school time studying for the boards, I feel you can take at least some information from the board pass rates, and that's about the only usable statistic.

Think of it this way...if people are required to study harder or more information to do well on tests, they would (assuming the information is related to the boards) do better on the boards than a student who was required to study less to maintain the same grades.

I feel it's at least somewhat accurate to say or assume that higher board pass rates probably correlate to more intense classes with more material to study, though it obviously may be from an increased motivation in the type of student that attends.

Long story short, the classes with higher pass rates are probably more difficult, or at least more competitive, requiring more intense studying to achieve parity with classmates, ergo giving better board scores.

It's not like there are direct stats for this, and it's kind of an immeasurable statistic anyway, unless you take something like average hours studied for classes and the grades achieved, but still....kind of an ambiguous thing to figure out.

Maybe this is true, maybe not, but it seems intuitive to me.
 
Bob,

I disagree with that. From my interpretation, all that is posted is the percent of students who pass and those who don't.

Are you willing to make the assumption that while some schools have different schedules, every school is accredited and for the most part teach very similar material?
This may be a big leap, but do you think students who work hard, study hard, and make good grades pass the boards the large majority of the time?
IF these you agree with, then you can make the reasonable assumption that the students who don't pass either don't prepare properly or are doing SOMETHING wrong.

IF this is true, would you be willing to concede that the smaller a school's class, generally the higher quality the student (due to lack of applicants and larger school's need to fill their classes)?

Therefore, it is just as likely that the Board pass rates reflect not the difficulty of the courses, but rather the disparity of qualified/unqualified students attending the school?

But what do I know... Just a lowly prepod. I'm sure that if you took the top students from all 9 schools, you couldn't tell much difference.
 
Bob,

I disagree with that. From my interpretation, all that is posted is the percent of students who pass and those who don't.

Are you willing to make the assumption that while some schools have different schedules, every school is accredited and for the most part teach very similar material?
It would seem from pass rates that this is either an incorrect assumption, or some schools have gotten a much better pick of the applicants. Either way, with people working hard, I would have to assume that those failing out either were inadequately prepared by what they studied, or were poor candidates for the school anyway.
This may be a big leap, but do you think students who work hard, study hard, and make good grades pass the boards the large majority of the time?
I don't know, I don't know what sort of GPAs are found at the other schools. If the schools have comparable GPAs, but dissimilar pass rates, wouldn't it make sense that the information being taught is inadequate for the boards, though adequate for classes?
IF these you agree with, then you can make the reasonable assumption that the students who don't pass either don't prepare properly or are doing SOMETHING wrong.
I think regardless of whether or not the others are true, this is correct.

IF this is true, would you be willing to concede that the smaller a school's class, generally the higher quality the student (due to lack of applicants and larger school's need to fill their classes)?

Therefore, it is just as likely that the Board pass rates reflect not the difficulty of the courses, but rather the disparity of qualified/unqualified students attending the school?

But what do I know... Just a lowly prepod. I'm sure that if you took the top students from all 9 schools, you couldn't tell much difference.
Yeah, this is probably true too.

In essence it seems to come down to some schools either doing a better job requiring board-relevant material for exams, or some schools admitting students they shouldn't.

Like I said, I don't know if what I said is true, but it seems intuitive to me. I may be making a false dichotomy here, but it seems as though one of the two preceding things must be true to explain the disparity in pass rates.

So...standardize the material, or up the admission standards. Either way, win-win for the profession.

Thanks for the response, I always enjoy being challenged to reevaluate my thoughts.

To the OP, if you're looking for a school specifically for easier classes, then I think you might reevaluate your motivation to succeed. If science is difficult enough for you that this is an issue, than you may look for another field. I excelled in the sciences, and pod school is a kick in the pants like nothing I expected. Here I am looking over 1000 slides or so for my exam tomorrow morning (with another exam next tuesday with a few hundred slides, and another the following Friday with 60+ hours of lecture material they can take questions from).

The thing about it is, most of it isn't particularly difficult conceptually. The issue is the sheer mass of information coming at you like a firehose, and being expected to retain it, and do it fast. It's like being a Dixie cup under a waterfall, and being told you've gotta fill a gallon bucket with it. It's fast, it's hard to know sometimes what's important and what's not (though the quality of the class/teacher makes a difference there), and it's a huge amount of information.

If I were you now, I'd figure out some ways to learn things extremely quickly. I've had to create new study techniques a few different times for different classes, until I finally found what works well for me in the least amount of time (hint: writing out 3 hundred notecards by hand takes way more time than it's worth)

Either way to the OP, good luck.
 
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I don't know what sort of GPAs are found at the other schools. If the schools have comparable GPAs, but dissimilar pass rates, wouldn't it make sense that the information being taught is inadequate for the boards, though adequate for classes?

I *think* what Super Duper was saying, was that each school has top tier students, but the schools with smaller classes can cherry-pick the top applicants, thus have a higher matriculating class GPAs, thus better GPAs while in pod school, thus a lower attrition rate, thus higher board passing rates.

Does this add up?
 
I understand that; what I'm saying is without more specific GPA info correlated to an individual's performance on the boards, you can't know. It's probable that high performing students at any of the 9 schools pass the boards without exception, but that's as much of an assumption as the rest of it.

It would be nice to get more detailed stats about all of this.
 
But bob, if they made statistics showing what you offered, what would we talk about on here?
 
I understand that; what I'm saying is without more specific GPA info correlated to an individual's performance on the boards, you can't know. It's probable that high performing students at any of the 9 schools pass the boards without exception, but that's as much of an assumption as the rest of it.

It would be nice to get more detailed stats about all of this.

Well, why didn't you just say that? 😀 Agree. It's like the recent poster who said he had decent grades in pod school, yet has failed Part II twice. I know it's true, but it doesn't seem to add up 😕
 
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