Failing Pharmacy School

[cows]

So, I failed 2 pharmacy school classes my first year. They set the cut off for C's at .5 above my grade for both classes (completely serious about that), so I did not fail by much. But my problem then, and currently, is that I have no idea how to study because my whole life I had straight A's without too much effort and now I am struggling to get by. I am in my Py2 year, and the beginning was going fine but the closer it gets to the end of the semester the more I worry about failing out completely because I can not seem to focus. I know I understand the material, so it is not a matter of competency (so please do not imply that it is), it is just that ADD + no study skills= trying to cram which is impossible given the amount of material. I am slowly getting more used to studying but have burnt myself out with all of the cramming and feel failing is inevitable.
I have kind of rambled a bit, but does anyone know of pharmacy students failing out and getting admitted to another school?

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[joetrisman]

We have a guy in our class that failed out of another rx school and just failed therapeutics I last quarter. He *might* graduate a year late at our school.

 

[spacecowgirl]

If you have ADD have you sought treatment for it?

 

[Ackj]

trying to cram which is impossible given the amount of material

False. It is definitely possible.

But the main point, if a teacher fails you by a half a point, it should tell you something. Throughout all the grades you get in a semester, I'm sure they could have found half of a point to get you to pass. For whatever reason, they didn't find that half point for you. Maybe you don't show up to class, maybe you goof off when you're there, make sarcastic comments rather than participate, don't hand in assignments... basically you have done something to rub them the wrong way. Think about what you did wrong, fix it, and work harder next time.

 

[Venicat]

are you going to every class or relying on other people or the recording for notes?

 

[Smiles425]

I have trouble focusing to. Review each video lecture even if you are present for that class (Does your school record the lecture?) Pause, stop, rewind the video if you need to and take notes as if your life depended on it. It's a lot of time to spend on school work, but you gotta do what you gotta do. If you think you actually have ADD, you should get diagnosed so that you can be treated.

I agree with Ackj though. Pharmacy school can be like an introduction to networking. If you made a good impression with the professor during the semester ( stop by his/her office to ask him/her for questions, come to most classes, put in face time, let them know you care about your grade) it easy for the prof to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Good luck

 

[cows]

If you have ADD have you sought treatment for it?

yes, I just often forget to take my meds.

False. It is definitely possible.

But the main point, if a teacher fails you by a half a point, it should tell you something. Throughout all the grades you get in a semester, I'm sure they could have found half of a point to get you to pass. For whatever reason, they didn't find that half point for you. Maybe you don't show up to class, maybe you goof off when you're there, make sarcastic comments rather than participate, don't hand in assignments... basically you have done something to rub them the wrong way. Think about what you did wrong, fix it, and work harder next time.

Maybe it is possible for you but not for me. I am a quiet/respectful person who turns in all assignments on time and arrives on time. I did nothing to "rub them the wrong way". One person has a certain percent he fails each time, and the other is just a generally hateful person who was extremely rude to me when I politely came to his office, during office hours, confused about a few hw problems. I revisited his office when I was becoming more concerned about my grade, and his simply told me that maybe I should not be in pharmacy school if I was going to get "emotional" about my grades because emotion should not brought into a professional environment,.

are you going to every class or relying on other people or the recording for notes?

I rely on my own notes, unless I have spots in mine that get confusing, then I compare that section with a friend.

I have trouble focusing to. Review each video lecture even if you are present for that class (Does your school record the lecture?) Pause, stop, rewind the video if you need to and take notes as if your life depended on it. It's a lot of time to spend on school work, but you gotta do what you gotta do. If you think you actually have ADD, you should get diagnosed so that you can be treated.

I agree with Ackj though. Pharmacy school can be like an introduction to networking. If you made a good impression with the professor during the semester ( stop by his/her office to ask him/her for questions, come to most classes, put in face time, let them know you care about your grade) it easy for the prof to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Good luck

This year most classes release the class links, and they help but I just get behind on watching them.


I appreciate all of the advice and would like to get back to my main question, does anyone know schools where they admit students who previously failed out at another pharmacy school? I am currently at a top 5 pharmacy school (don't want to say which just in case), and they are generally more "established", but I have heard the newer schools may be more lenient on letting people in. Does anyone know if that is true?

 

[Lubeckd]

yes, I just often forget to take my meds.



Maybe it is possible for you but not for me. I am a quiet/respectful person who turns in all assignments on time and arrives on time. I did nothing to "rub them the wrong way". One person has a certain percent he fails each time, and the other is just a generally hateful person who was extremely rude to me when I politely came to his office, during office hours, confused about a few hw problems. I revisited his office when I was becoming more concerned about my grade, and his simply told me that maybe I should not be in pharmacy school if I was going to get "emotional" about my grades because emotion should not brought into a professional environment,.

same here. Prof said I got emotional when I didnt. It's okay though, he is right, I need to be a professional, my grades went from a C to a B right now.

 

[Dalteparin]

I appreciate all of the advice and would like to get back to my main question, does anyone know schools where they admit students who previously failed out at another pharmacy school?

I hear it's nearly impossible to get admitted at another pharmacy school after you've failed out of one school. Please don't take this the wrong way, because I'm not trying to be mean to you, but right now trying NOT to fail out of your current school is a much better use of your time than trying to get into a different school. Getting into a different school should be your absolute last resort.

You say you forget to take your meds. Can you set an alarm on your phone that will remind you to take your meds at a certain time each day? Or maybe you could place your meds right next to your alarm clock or coffee maker so that you'll see them first thing in the morning and you won't forget to take them.

Why are you getting behind on reviewing lectures? Are you forgetting to do it or are you strapped for time? If you forget, maybe the alarm trick will work here too. If you don't have time, is there some other activity you can cut until finals are over?

At some schools, Rho Chi members offer tutoring to struggling students. See if that's available at your school; upperclassmen can be a big help with study skills and letting you know what each prof likes to test over.

I revisited his office when I was becoming more concerned about my grade, and his simply told me that maybe I should not be in pharmacy school if I was going to get "emotional" about my grades because emotion should not brought into a professional environment,.

It's possible that you were being too emotional. It's also possible that your prof is just a jackass and you'll enjoy the hell out of proving him wrong at the end of the semester. I know some good pharmacists who were told similar things by their profs, so don't let that get you down.

 

[xtsukiyox]

Dalteparin for MVP. 😍 What useful advice!

 

[cows]

Yeah, he is just a jerk.
Like I said, my study habits have improved some I am just always worried about failing out now and just wanted to get some back up ideas in case that happened. And this worry is coming off of a test where everyone I talked to had different answers so we are all worried about that one!
But, I am trying my best to be better than last year and hope that makes all the difference.

 

[Sparda29]

yes, I just often forget to take my meds.



Maybe it is possible for you but not for me. I am a quiet/respectful person who turns in all assignments on time and arrives on time. I did nothing to "rub them the wrong way". One person has a certain percent he fails each time, and the other is just a generally hateful person who was extremely rude to me when I politely came to his office, during office hours, confused about a few hw problems. I revisited his office when I was becoming more concerned about my grade, and his simply told me that maybe I should not be in pharmacy school if I was going to get "emotional" about my grades because emotion should not brought into a professional environment,.



I rely on my own notes, unless I have spots in mine that get confusing, then I compare that section with a friend.



This year most classes release the class links, and they help but I just get behind on watching them.


I appreciate all of the advice and would like to get back to my main question, does anyone know schools where they admit students who previously failed out at another pharmacy school? I am currently at a top 5 pharmacy school (don't want to say which just in case), and they are generally more "established", but I have heard the newer schools may be more lenient on letting people in. Does anyone know if that is true?

See, I don't understand these academic types who have the closed door policy. We have some professors at our school where they absolutely demand that you make an appointment if you want to come see them or if you wanna review your test or something.

And we have the awesome professors who have an open door policy and let you roll in whenever you want. Officially, the policy of the school is for there to be an open door policy (at least the Dean and Administration are very open door).

 

[ValeRx]

How are you going to counsel patients on compliance when you can't even remember to take your Adderall?

 

[Ackj]

See, I don't understand these academic types who have the closed door policy. We have some professors at our school where they absolutely demand that you make an appointment if you want to come see them or if you wanna review your test or something.

And we have the awesome professors who have an open door policy and let you roll in whenever you want. Officially, the policy of the school is for there to be an open door policy (at least the Dean and Administration are very open door).

Yeah, it's weird that professors wouldn't want to help, imo. We have professors that actually walk into study rooms at 8pm the night before an exam and ask if we need help. The only professors that might be hard to reach are the ones who spend 95% of their time at a practice site, and even they respond to emails pretty quickly.

 

[Carboxide]

How are you going to counsel patients on compliance when you can't even remember to take your Adderall?

This. If you can't learn the material because of your ADD and you don't take your drugs, it's your fault. Be an adult. Take your meds if you need them. If you don't, don't come crying because you're failing classes.

Pharmacy school is hard. Everyone thinks so (at least that I know of). If you can't hack it, then maybe being in a position where you are responsible for peoples' lives is not for you.

 

[All4MyDaughter]

See, I don't understand these academic types who have the closed door policy. We have some professors at our school where they absolutely demand that you make an appointment if you want to come see them or if you wanna review your test or something.

And we have the awesome professors who have an open door policy and let you roll in whenever you want. Officially, the policy of the school is for there to be an open door policy (at least the Dean and Administration are very open door).

I used to think open door policy was great until I started teaching. It's impossible to get any work done with students coming by your office all the time. I have office hours, and I'm willing to make appointments with students outside of them if need be, but I can't have the door "open" all the time or lectures would never get written, assignments wouldn't get graded, I'd never work on my research project or do anything that requires focused concentration or attention.

 

[KARM12]

I used to think open door policy was great until I started teaching. It's impossible to get any work done with students coming by your office all the time. I have office hours, and I'm willing to make appointments with students outside of them if need be, but I can't have the door "open" all the time or lectures would never get written, assignments wouldn't get graded, I'd never work on my research project or do anything that requires focused concentration or attention.

Agree! Being on the other side of things, it is impossible to get things done with constant interruptions. Plus not to mention all the meetings I attend on a daily basis. By giving office hours that is a time you know I am in my office and with be 100% focused on your questions. Or if that time does not work, I prefer the student making an appointment.

 

[UMterps]

failing out of any school is never a good thing, neither is dropping out. it may appear to show a lack of commitment (i.e., someone who started to get their MBA or JD, didnt finish, and is applying to pharmacy school). I'd be wary if I was on an admissions board and better hear a very good reason. Schools do accept transfers on a case-by-case basis, but this would assume they have space in the class to absorb another new student. Then there is the lack of harmonization among pharmacy school curriculum. You're probably looking at almost starting over if you transfer to another school. They may or may not give you credit for your courses aleady passed. You'd need to contact schools directly to find out if they have space to take a transfer, what courses they'd give you credit towards THEIR curriculum, and what application process you might have to go through considering this is not a common thing. Everyone can give you advice on this message board, but you'd need to do the leg work to find out the details. The short answer is yes, schools do take transfers. However, this is not common at all and the onus is on you to find out and facilitate the process.

 

[Payback]

Eh, I also failed and it's turned out to be physiology. Can you believe that?
It's really not much to say since I believed I was duped into thinking the whole subject is a joke. Cited for example, my professor doesn't tell me the correct answer of the "goldman equation", and then he have my test made more special than anyone so I can't check. Then this whole thing online of outdated video learning of dubbed audio and barely visible video isn't much of a helping.
Idiots! the skeptical of a factious society and how things worked and the outlier of the norm and inefficiency of the market!!

 

[homeslice]

Eh, I also failed and it's turned out to be physiology. Can you believe that?
It's really not much to say since I believed I was duped into thinking the whole subject is a joke. Cited for example, my professor doesn't tell me the correct answer of the "goldman equation", and then he have my test made more special than anyone so I can't check. Then this whole thing online of outdated video learning of dubbed audio and barely visible video isn't much of a helping.
Idiots! the skeptical of a factious society and how things worked and the outlier of the norm and inefficiency of the market!!

Those online translator sites really need some work.

 

[Pharmacy Kid]

Those online translator sites really need some work.

Look at his past posts, they're hilarious. It's as if he took a gigantic thesaurus and replaced random words.

 

[owlegrad]

Look at his past posts, they're hilarious. It's as if he took a gigantic thesaurus and replaced random words.

Gaze at his historical posts, they're mirthful. It's as if he acquired an oversize lexicon and substituted chance words.

 

[Hello2011]

Gaze at his historical posts, they're mirthful. It's as if he acquired an oversize lexicon and substituted chance words.

Stare at his antique posts, they're jovial. It's as if he assimilated a gargantuan wordlist and substituted fortuitous verses.

 

[Smiles425]

Stare at his antique posts, they're jovial. It's as if he assimilated a gargantuan wordlist and substituted fortuitous verses.

Look intently at his traditional posts, they're fun-loving. It's as if the man has incorporated a massive phrase book and replaced with accidental language.

 

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[xtsukiyox]

Look intently at his traditional posts, they're fun-loving. It's as if the man has incorporated a massive phrase book and replaced with accidental language.

Inspect his conventional posts, they're convivial. It's as if he procured an epic synonym glossary and altered haphazard phraseology.

 

[chemtopharm]

Inspect his conventional posts, they're convivial. It's as if he procured an epic synonym glossary and altered haphazard phraseology.

Look Og post! Og post bad! Me think Og read book and copy big words!

 

[owlegrad]

Inspect his conventional posts, they're convivial. It's as if he procured an epic synonym glossary and altered haphazard phraseology.

I seriously want to start a thread where all we do is this. I haven't laughed this hard on SDN for quite some time. 👍

Maybe call it the synonyms game thread? I guess we would need a passage to get us started though. Would it be better to start with something random or maybe a famous passage?

 

[ValeRx]

At UC you are forced to take a one year break if you fail two classes. Fail three classes and you're gone for good.

 

[xtsukiyox]

Look Og post! Og post bad! Me think Og read book and copy big words!

This one is full of win.

I seriously want to start a thread where all we do is this. I haven't laughed this hard on SDN for quite some time. 👍

Maybe call it the synonyms game thread? I guess we would need a passage to get us started though. Would it be better to start with something random or maybe a famous passage?

I'd say start with a famous passage for the first one, at least. Would everyone morph the original passage, or build on the last person's altered phrase? The latter was what happened here, which was entertaining. The former method could be run something like Apples to Apples - there's a time limit for posts (maybe 2 days?), then the person who posted the phrase would pick a "winner." The "winner" would then post a new passage.

 

[owlegrad]

I'd say start with a famous passage for the first one, at least. Would everyone morph the original passage, or build on the last person's altered phrase? The latter was what happened here, which was entertaining. The former method could be run something like Apples to Apples - there's a time limit for posts (maybe 2 days?), then the person who posted the phrase would pick a "winner." The "winner" would then post a new passage.

That is what I was thinking personally. As it morphs it would become unrecognizable to the original, which I think I would be fun. We could start a new "round" whenever we wanted, but I suspect that it could go on for a while without needing to be "reset". I would post it in prepharmacy though, I don't like cluttering the main forum with social type threads personally. It really belongs in The Lounge, but I don't post there often.

Maybe I will just wait to see if someone else wants to start such a thread. 😉

I have never played Apples to Apples. But I am always game to try new things. 👍