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do you have any advice for a pre med student?
This thread typifies advice people have given a premed student when they ask what they should do during college.

Grades for pre-med
What do I need to take if I want to be a premed?

What are my chances?

No one can tell you what your chances are. Your best bet is to check out the individual school’s average accepted statistics and compare it to yours, if you are close then give it your best shot, if not then maybe you should consider working on it. Please do a search to find a thread or check out our "What are my chances thread?" here:[/b]
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=461082

MD vs DO
Physicians are hired as tradesman for the job of physician or surgeon, the degree qualifies you for the job but isn’t the job itself. Having said that, there is no discrepancy in salary between and MD and a DO, however it is debatable whether DOs or MDs make more money when self employed. There are way too many variable involved, such as location, local opinions, and individual performance to assess this. Here is a sample of discussions and opinions about this question:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=211261
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=202236
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=188100
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=184459
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=174042

Are DO's considered "medical doctors"? Or are they just doctors?

Actually Doctor of Osteopathy is an outdated term, the original title was Diplomat of Osteopathy when A.T. Still, MD only taught his students OMM and Anatomy, which then evolved into Doctor of Osteopathy as more forms of treatment such as surgery were taught. Our official title is Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine now as we are trained in Pharmacology (yes Dr. Still eventually had to allow medicine be taught), Surgery, and all aspects of modern medicine. We are medical doctors. Things have changed since people expected to die when they called their doctor to bleed them dry or administer some poison, and as things change so does our profession. It’s in that ability to adapt and be dynamic that makes our profession so great. If modern medicine went down a road to harm patients again I am sure we would diverge once again.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/sho...=medical+doctor

Dr. Russo's excellent "Reinventing Osteopathy" links


What should I wear to an interview?

The consensus is that business formal is the way to go but ladies may have a harder time choosing what to wear (men just go with a suit and the hardest choice is choosing a tie color). Here are some opinions and ideas on that topic:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=238982
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=239329
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=229988
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=217835
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=176131
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=172434
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=166760

How do I/Should I shadow a DO?

A good place to start is in contacting your state Osteopathic Medicine Society either via the web or phone and asking for a local list of physicians. Another way is to check out your local hospital, if they have a website that is best. Many schools suggest that you shadow a DO before applying and it is a requirement for others. Here are some opinions on this matter:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=234750
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=233228
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=228068
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=225110

How are DO schools ranked?

There are some rankings on the US News website, which can be accessed for a fee.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=233506
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=230900
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=211196
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=193832

where can I find AACOMAS statistics?

Here - http://www.aacom.org/data/annualreport/slideshow/index.html

Can I transfer from DO to MD?

Yes, it can be done. However, it is both difficult and rare. The best time to evaluate which school you would like to attend is before you start; however, there are situations in which people are forced to move and things like that.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=203514&page=2&pp=25
Official transfer policies for all US medical schools

DO or Caribbean?

This is the topic of many heated discussions over the years. The threads usually look the same and many end up in flame wars which get closed, however here is one that sums up the opinions on the DO forum rather nicely. Remember, if you ask this question on the DO forum you will get a DO biased answer, if you ask if on the FMG forum you may get different answers. In the end, it is up to you to evaluate which better suits you, DO, MD, or FMG MD.

I repeated a course. Are the classes averaged, do they just take the highest grade, or do they just take the last grade?

You will put all courses in the AACOMAS application even repeats and multiple repeats. Applicants should list the original class(es) as a repeat i.e. “Repeat” and then list the final time it is taken as “Last Repeat”. You will only enter a grade for the last time you took the course and this will be used to calculate you grade. 0 credits are given to all repeated courses except for the final one. This allows your class to be calculated in the GPA once.

Some classes are "repeated" for additional course work and is not considered a repeat. Grades should be entered for all of these courses.

Texas College of Osteopathic Medicine does not participate in AACOMAS and they use TMDSAS.

http://www.utsystem.edu/tmdsas/HomepageApplicants.htm

TMDSAS complies with the uniform GPA calculation for graduate and professional schools. Grades from all courses are calculated (even if repeated, failed or withdrawn failing). Grades with a plus or minus will be calculated as the letter grade only - the plus or minus will not be used. Each grade is given a numeric value: A=4, B=3, C=2, D=1 and F/FL=0.

http://www.utsystem.edu/tmdsas/Freq...pProcessing.htm


GPA Calculator

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2648895&postcount=47
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I'm retaking a science course. The original class had the lab and lecture combined for one grade. Now I want to repeat this class at another school but the lab and lecture are 2 separate course. What can I do?

what are the math requirements for DO schools? What other course requirements are there?

so far only 2 osteopathic schools require college math:

-UMDNJ-SOM requires applicants to complete 6 hours of math.
-UNTHSC/TCOM applicants must take 3 hours of calculus or statistics.

http://www.aacom.org/data/cib/03-prereqs.html

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Looking back as a 4th year
Jalby's guide to applying to med school
DO Online Secondaries
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Pre-med information guide
International Practice Rights for DOs
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What is included from in my science GPA?

below is a cut and paste from the AACOMAS HELP tab found in the Academic Course Work portion of the application. I believe you will only see this tab after you enter at least one college in the application. Colleges Attended->Academic Course Work->Help:

The Science category would include all courses with subjects of Biology, Organic, Biochemistry, Other Science, Physics, and Inorganic Chemistry. Non-science would include courses with subjects of Math, English, Behavioral Sciences, and Non-science.

These subjects determine GPA computations for meeting college entrance requirements. Each subject will be verified and corrected if necessary.

*note organic chem is listed under Inorganic chem*



Biochemistry
Biochemistry
Physiological Chemistry

Biology/Zoology
Animal Science
Anatomy
Bacteriology
Biology
Botany
Cellular & Molecular Biology
Cellular Physiology
Ecology
Evolution
Genetics
Hematology
Histology
Immunology
Microbiology
Micro-Organisms
Natural Science
Neurology
Oceanography
Parasitology
Pathology
Physiology
Virology
Zoology

Inorganic Chemistry
Chemistry, General
Medical Chemistry
Pharmaceutical Chemistry
Physical Chemistry
Qualitative Analysis
Quantitative Analysis
Readings in Chemistry
Research in Chemistry
Special Topics in Chemistry
Structures & Bonds
Organic Chemistry Bio-Organic Chemistry
Organic Chemistry
Readings in Organic Chemistry
Special Topics in Organic Chemistry

Other Science
Agricultural Science
Astronomy
Chiropractic
Electronics
Engineering
Epidemiology
Geology
Kinesiology
Medical Technology
Meteorology
Nutrition
Pharmacy
Physical Anthropology
Physical Geography
Physical Science
Physician Assistant
Radiology

Physics
Electricity & Light
Magnetism
Mechanical Heat
Physics
Thermodynamics

To be determined by department
Mental/Physical Illness
Physiological Psychology

English
Bible Literature
Composition
English
Journalism
Literature
Medical Terminology
Poetry
Reading Skills
Rhetoric
Theater Literature

Math
Behavioral Statistics
Biostatistics
Chemical Math
Computer Science
Math

Other Non-Science
Acting
Agriculture
Archeology
Art
Bioethics
Business
Communications
Cultural Geography
Economics
Education
Emergency Med-Tech
Ethics
First Aid
Foreign Language
Forestry
Geography
Government
Health/Personal Hygiene
History
Humanities
Law
Logic
Military Science
Music
Nursing
Occupational Therapy
Philosophy
Physical Education
Physical Therapy
Political Science
Public Health
Public Speaking
Religion
Respiratory Therapy
Social Ethics
Speech
Speech Pathology
Teaching Science
Theater
Theology
Word Processing

Social/Behavioral Science
Anthropology
Community Health
Criminal Justice
Educational Psychology
Ethnic Studies
Human Sexuality
Marriage/Family
Personal Health
Physiological Ethics
Psychology
Social Science
Social Work/Sociology
 
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some criteria to help deciding on which schools to apply, interview, matriculate,etc.

some of these may be more important than others and some may not be a factor at all. There is no need to use all.

class size
clinical affiliations
offering of preceptorship or clinical training before 3rd year
board pass rate
distance of clerkships from med school (will you need to find housing...again!)
pre-doctoral fellowships and benefits
post-grad fellowships and residencies offered by the school
PBl vs lecture
on campus library and study locations - (size, computers available, group study rooms, etc.)
recreational facilities (gyms, pool, etc.)
Amount and duration of 4th year electives
research (clinical or lab)
location (weather, social life, urban/rural, safety, etc.)
match list
diversity of faculty/students
cost
availability of fellowships
technology (STAN, wireless, lectures on mp3 or video, etc.)
mission statement of school
exam schedule
grading (pass/fail or pass/fail/honors or letter grades)
clinical grading policy (weight of shelf and evaluations)
are students ranked (does school let you know ranking in percentiles or exact number)
standout faculty
stability of curriculum and amount of input students have in changing it
student organizations/clubs
Opportunities for international medical missions
attrition rate and policies regarding remediation (ie, is it 3 strikes and you're out?)
Related to the boards: Do they teach to the exams or not? Are time off or other reviews methods (Kaplan, etc.) offered in preparation?
typical percentages of grads placing into primary care (worth noting whether you want to do primary care or specialize)?
Dress code and if class attendance is required. can I get away with just wearing scrubs?
what are the students like? Do you see yourself working/getting along with the majority of the people there?
voluntary summer prep program (for advanced standing or jump start)
advanced standing for previous courses


2006 Annual Report on Osteopathic Medical Education

Has lots of general info on stats of DO schools and applicants such as diversity (minority/female), % in-state residency, attrition rate, states with most DOs, # of applicants to each DO school, etc.

http://publish.aacom.org/resources/bookstore/2006statrpt/Pages/default.aspx

2009 College Information Book

http://publish.aacom.org/resources/bookstore/cib/Pages/default.aspx

AOA Interships and Residencies:
http://opportunities.osteopathic.or...OKEN=58295230&jsessionid=3030205c6015212e5636
 
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Average % 2002-2004 graduates entering primary care residencies (as defined by USNews)

WVCOM - 87.3%
MSUCOM - 85.8%
PCSOM - 78.0%
TCOM/UNTHSC - 77.7%
NSUCOM - 77.0%
UNECOM - 67.2%
OSUCOM - 67.0%
LECOM - 61.0%
OUCOM - 58%
TUCOM - 52.0%
DMU - 46.5%
KCOM - 45.7%
NYCOM - 45.0%
PCOM - 37.0%

From US News 2007
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/webextras/brief/sb_med_primarycare_brief.php

Many new schools are missing since they did not graduate a class in 2002-2004. This is still not a complete list since some schools such as CCOM and UMDNJSOM are not indluded.

link to match list threads:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=175626
 

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do you have any advice for a pre med student?
This thread typifies advice people have given a premed student when they ask what they should do during college.

Grades for pre-med
What do I need to take if I want to be a premed?

What are my chances?

No one can tell you what your chances are. Your best bet is to check out the individual school's average accepted statistics and compare it to yours, if you are close then give it your best shot, if not then maybe you should consider working on it. General advice can be found in the Pre-Osteopathic What are my Chances? thread.

MD vs DO
Physicians are hired as tradesman for the job of physician or surgeon, the degree qualifies you for the job but isn't the job itself. Having said that, there is no discrepancy in salary between and MD and a DO, however it is debatable whether DOs or MDs make more money when self employed. There are way too many variable involved, such as location, local opinions, and individual performance to assess this. Here is a sample of discussions and opinions about this question:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=211261
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=202236
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=188100
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=184459
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=174042

Are DO's considered "medical doctors"? Or are they just doctors?

Actually Doctor of Osteopathy is an outdated term, the original title was Diplomat of Osteopathy when A.T. Still, MD only taught his students OMM and Anatomy, which then evolved into Doctor of Osteopathy as more forms of treatment such as surgery were taught. Our official title is Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine now as we are trained in Pharmacology (yes Dr. Still eventually had to allow medicine be taught), Surgery, and all aspects of modern medicine. We are medical doctors. Things have changed since people expected to die when they called their doctor to bleed them dry or administer some poison, and as things change so does our profession. It's in that ability to adapt and be dynamic that makes our profession so great. If modern medicine went down a road to harm patients again I am sure we would diverge once again.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/sho...=medical+doctor

Dr. Russo's excellent "Reinventing Osteopathy" links


What should I wear to an interview?

The consensus is that business formal is the way to go but ladies may have a harder time choosing what to wear (men just go with a suit and the hardest choice is choosing a tie color). Here are some opinions and ideas on that topic:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=238982
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=239329
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=229988
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=217835
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=176131
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=172434
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=166760

How do I/Should I shadow a DO?

A good place to start is in contacting your state Osteopathic Medicine Society either via the web or phone and asking for a local list of physicians. Here's a list of them.

Another way is to check out your local hospital, if they have a website that is best. Many schools suggest that you shadow a DO before applying and it is a requirement for others. Here are some opinions on this matter:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=234750
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=233228
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=228068
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=225110

How are DO schools ranked?

There are some rankings on the US News website, which can be accessed for a fee.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=233506
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=230900
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=211196
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=193832

Can I transfer from DO to MD?

Yes, it can be done. However, it is both difficult and rare. The best time to evaluate which school you would like to attend is before you start; however, there are situations in which people are forced to move and things like that.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=203514&page=2&pp=25
Official transfer policies for all US medical schools

DO or Caribbean?

This is the topic of many heated discussions over the years. The threads usually look the same and many end up in flame wars which get closed, however here is one that sums up the opinions on the DO forum rather nicely. Remember, if you ask this question on the DO forum you will get a DO biased answer, if you ask if on the FMG forum you may get different answers. In the end, it is up to you to evaluate which better suits you, DO, MD, or FMG MD.

I repeated a course. Are the classes averaged, do they just take the highest grade, or do they just take the last grade?

You will put all courses in the AACOMAS application even repeats and multiple repeats. Applicants should list the original class(es) as a repeat i.e. "Repeat" and then list the final time it is taken as "Last Repeat". You will only enter a grade for the last time you took the course and this will be used to calculate you grade. 0 credits are given to all repeated courses except for the final one. This allows your class to be calculated in the GPA once.

Some classes are "repeated" for additional course work and is not considered a repeat. Grades should be entered for all of these courses.

Texas College of Osteopathic Medicine does not participate in AACOMAS and they use TMDSAS.

http://www.utsystem.edu/tmdsas/HomepageApplicants.htm

TMDSAS complies with the uniform GPA calculation for graduate and professional schools. Grades from all courses are calculated (even if repeated, failed or withdrawn failing). Grades with a plus or minus will be calculated as the letter grade only - the plus or minus will not be used. Each grade is given a numeric value: A=4, B=3, C=2, D=1 and F/FL=0.

http://www.utsystem.edu/tmdsas/Freq...pProcessing.htm

I hear that OUCOM (Ohio's DO school) requires you to sign a contract to practice in Ohio for a few years. Is this true?

Yes, you are required to sign a contract with your secondary application that obligates you to return to the state of Ohio for 5 years and practice after completion of your residency (and fellowship if applicable). The contract can be found here, along with more interesting discussion on the matter. Check with the OUCOM Admissions office for the most up-to-date information.

OUCOM Contract

GPA Calculator

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2648895&postcount=47
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2651054&postcount=52

I'm retaking a science course. The original class had the lab and lecture combined for one grade. Now I want to repeat this class at another school but the lab and lecture are 2 separate course. What can I do?

What are the math requirements for DO schools?

So far, 5 osteopathic schools require college math:

Touro-CA requires a minimum of 4 semester hours of Math and/or Computer Science.

Touro-NV requires a minimum of 4 semester hours of Math and/or Computer Science.

Touro-NY requires a minimum of 4 semester hours of Math and/or Computer Science.

UMDNJ-SOM requires 6 hours of college level math. 3 of these hours may be satisfied by Computer Science or Statistics.

UNTHSC/TCOMrequires one semester course of math-based Calculus or Statistics (at least 3 hours). Pre-calculus is not acceptable towards this requirement. TCOM may consider statistics courses taught in other departments on an individual basis.

What other course requirements are there for DO schools?

It varies for each school. All course requirements can be found in the 2009 College Information Book.

Random informative posts

Looking back as a 4th year-I
Looking back as a 4th year-II
Jalby's guide to applying to med school
Finding cheap airfare
Finding cheap airfare II
Personal Statement Help
Pre-med information guide
International Practice Rights for DOs

How did DO's evolve?
How can I shadow a DO?
DO version of the MSAR
Which schools require a DO LOR?
Which schools screen for secondaries?
When is the latest I can apply?
Secondary essay prompts
Interview feedback


DO Glossary of Terms

AACOMAS Statistics



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Match Lists

2009 Match Lists are just now being compiled here (will become more organized with time):

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=7905511



A.T. Still University/Kirksville COM
All
2008
2007

A.T. Still University/SOM-Arizona
The first match list will be released in 2011

Arizona COM of Midwestern University
All
2008
2007
2000-2006

Chicago COM of Midwestern University
All
2008
2007
2006
2005
2004

Des Moines University COM
All
2008
2007
2006
2005

Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences COM
All
2008
2007

Lake Erie COM-Bradenton
All
2008

Lake Erie COM-Erie
All
2008
2007

Lake Erie COM-Seton Hill
The first match list will be released in 2013

Lincoln Memorial University-DeBusk COM
The first match list will be released in 2011

Michigan State University COM
All
2009
2008
2007

New York COM of NYIT
All
2008
2007
2006
2005
2004

Nova Southeastern University COM
All
2008
2007
2006
2005

Ohio University COM
If you have one, post it in this thread, please!

Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences COM
All
2008
2007
2006
2005
2004
2003

Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences-COM
The first match list will be released in 2012

Philadelphia COM
All
2009
2008
2007

Georgia Campus-Philadelphia COM
The first match list will be released in 2009

Pikeville College SOM
All
2005

Rocky Vista University COM
The first match list will be released in 2012

Touro COM-NY
The first match list will be released in 2011

Touro University COM-CA
All
2008
2007
2005

Touro University COM-NV
All
2008

University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey-SOM
All
2008
2007
2006

University of New England COM
All
2008
2007
2006
2004
2003
2002
2001

University of North Texas Health Science Center/Texas COM
All
2008
2007
2006
2005

Edward Via Virginia COM
All
2008
2007

West Virginia SOM
All
2008
2005

WesternU/COMP
All
2008
2007
2006
2005
2003
2002
2001
2000
 
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***Frequently Asked Questions about becoming a D.O.*** (updated 3/2009)

*Why is there a second degree that allows one to practice medicine?
The gold standard text on the history of D.O.'s in America

*What the heck is this I hear about "manipulation"/"OMM"/"OMT"?!

*M.D. schools have the MSAR--is there something similar for D.O. schools?
2009 College Information Book

*When is the latest I can apply to D.O. schools?

*How do I apply to D.O. schools?

*Is there a list of essay prompts for D.O. school secondary applications?
Secondary Essay Prompts

*Which D.O. schools screen applicants before giving them a secondary application?
Pre-Secondary Screening Schools

*Do I need a letter of recommendation from a D.O. to apply to D.O. schools?
Which schools require a D.O. LOR?

*How can I find a D.O. to shadow?
D.O. Shadowing

*How much does it cost to attend a D.O. school?

*How does the interview work at a particular school?
D.O. Interview Feedback

*What is the "waitlist" and how does it work?

*Where do D.O. graduates match and into which specialties?
D.O. Match Lists

*Do any D.O. schools have accelerated 3-year programs?
LECOM Primary Care Scholars Pathway (PCSP)

*Which states have public D.O. schools?

*I hear that OUCOM has some sort of contract--what's that about?

*Are there any D.O./Ph.D. programs or other dual degrees offered?
Dual Degree guide
 
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Self-compiled 2009 CIB School Summary Googledocs spreadsheet (able to exported as an Excel spreadsheet)



Includes:
  • State
  • Year founded
  • Class size
  • Programs available:
    • BS/DO
    • DO/MA
    • DO/MS
    • DO/MPH
    • DO/MBA
    • DO/JD
    • DO/PhD
    • DO/MHA
    • DO/MHEd
    • DO/DHEd
    • DO/MGH
    • PCP-Accel
  • Research (spotty...looking for more input!)
  • Oldest MCAT accepted
  • September MCAT accepted
  • January MCAT accepted
  • MCAT Comments (eg, composite score, MCAT minimums if available, January MCAT policies)
I'm looking for input/suggestions - Thanks!
 
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PPT that I made that reviews all of the steps of the application process - pre-req's, EC's, ideal timeline, MCATs (briefly), applying, interviewing, evaluation options. Geared for osteo or allo applications. Mentions a few schools in our regions, modify accordingly for your own use.

Compiled based on my experiences.

~78 slides, ~8 MB posted online

5/29/09 Edit: Included osteopathic match information for DMU, LECOM, and PCOM based upon 2007, 2008, and 2009 match lists. I had to manually tabulate and summarize the data - reconfirm if you are very interested in the specifics. The schools presented in the powerpoint were programs within the PA region and/or programs were students from our undergrad college were currently attending.
 
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British Columbia:
There are two pathways for D.O. registration in British Columbia. The first recognizes the COMLEX examinations and two years of AOA certified post-graduate training. The D.O. has a limited license, and is restricted to a practice of musculoskeletal medicine. This pathway is primarily intended for the D.O. that wishes to establish an OMT focused practice. The second pathway requires completion of the MCC examinations and two years of a ACGME residency program. The D.O. will then receive an unrestricted license.

Alberta:

The D.O. candidate is required to complete the MCC examinations, AOA certified residencies are recognized. There has been informal interest expressed in considering the COMLEX as an alternative to the MCC examinations.

Saskatchewan:

A board exists separate from the provincial College for the registration of D.O.’s, although it has not been active for many years. D.O.’s are registered by the board to practice “osteopathy”, although that is not clearly defined.

Manitoba:

As of 2002, American-trained D.O.’s are eligible for registration in Manitoba.

Ontario:

Since 2003, the College of Physicians and Surgeons have recognized the American DO degree as equivalent to that of an American MD. Additionally, the COMLEX examinations are recognized if performed after 2004 when the PE component was introduced with part II. The same criteria apply to the USMLE. ACGME accredited residencies are recognized although AOA accredited residencies are not. Additionally, there is a “Practice Assessment” pathway for applicants with at least five years of clinical practice experience.

Quebec:

American-trained D.O.’s have been eligible for registration in Quebec for approximately 30 years, although the requirement that the candidate pass a French language proficiency examination has had a negative impact. Additionally, the Candidate must complete one year of post-graduate training in the province, although this can be at the fellowship level. MCC certification and Royal college certification are not necessary. Unfortunately, the title protection that exists for M.D.’s does not exist for D.O.’s with the result that the title use is not restricted in that province.

New Brunswick:

D.O.’s are eligible for full registration in New Brunswick. One pathway extends reciprocity to a D.O. with Maine licensure.

Nova Scotia:

As of 2002, full registration for D.O.’s is extended in the same way as for an American trained M.D.

Prince Edward Island:

At the moment, PEI is the only Canadian province without a current or anticipated registration pathway for American-trained Osteopathic physicians.

Newfoundland:

As of 2002, the College has committed itself to seeing that the government establishes a registration pathway for American-trained D.O.’s, although it is anticipated that this may take a couple of years.

Territories (Yukon, Northwest, Nunavut):

In most instances, the Territories will grant registration to any physician that qualifies for licensure in any other province.

Armed Services:

American-trained D.O.’s are eligible for service with the Canadian Armed Services, including scholarship opportunities, recruitment bonuses.

This information comes from the Canadian Osteopathic Association:
http://www.osteopathic.ca/Osteopathic%20Practice%20in%20Canada.doc
 
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Is History of Biology: Conflicts considered a science class?
If it has a Biology prefix it will count as a science. If it has a history or humanities prefix, I would say no.

It's important to assess the prefixes of your courses. Some outliers will fall into science coursework without a science prefix (e.g., Neuroscience taught through the Psychology dept. or something equivalent). If you have concerns about a specific class, get the course description and forward the question to AACOMAS directly. Or give it a sporting effort and label it a science on your application and they might not change it, but be warned, if you do and they change it, the fact that you mislabeled on course might cause them to review the rest of your courses more closely.
 
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Read through the FAQs and what not, and I have question regarding the GPA calculations and the calculator. Should we use the calculator noting the grade replacements policy? Like if you are trying to see how you look in terms of DO?
 
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Hi everyone,

I have a question that usually does not pop up in the FAQ's. I have been debating whether or not I should include links or contact information of the organizations that I have volunteered for in the description section of AACOMAS. However, that is hard to do as there is a limit on how much you can write. So, I was wondering whether anyone has experienced it before, where the admission committees ask you to provide proof/confirmation of your involvements, or ask you to bring contact info or more proof during interviews?
 

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Hi everyone,

I have a question that usually does not pop up in the FAQ's. I have been debating whether or not I should include links or contact information of the organizations that I have volunteered for in the description section of AACOMAS. However, that is hard to do as there is a limit on how much you can write. So, I was wondering whether anyone has experienced it before, where the admission committees ask you to provide proof/confirmation of your involvements, or ask you to bring contact info or more proof during interviews?
It depends on the school and the activity. Adcoms don't have the time to verify every activity for every applicant.

Fyi, there's an AACOMAS FAQ thread where you'll get a more detailed response.
 
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Would it be unwise to submit your application before AACOMAS receives your final transcript? My transcript should be in early to late next week, but I am wondering if it would make more sense to just submit now since earlier is better.
 
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Would it be unwise to submit your application before AACOMAS receives your final transcript? My transcript should be in early to late next week, but I am wondering if it would make more sense to just submit now since earlier is better.
Regardless of whether you submit it before or after, verification will not begin until all transcripts are received by AACOMAS.
 
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I made that reviews all of the steps of the application process - pre-req's, EC's, ideal timeline, MCATs (briefly), applying, interviewing, evaluation options. Geared for osteo or allo applications. Mentions a few schools in our regions, modify accordingly for your own use.
 
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do you have any advice for a pre med student?
This thread typifies advice people have given a premed student when they ask what they should do during college.

Grades for pre-med
What do I need to take if I want to be a premed?

What are my chances?

No one can tell you what your chances are. Your best bet is to check out the individual school’s average accepted statistics and compare it to yours, if you are close then give it your best shot, if not then maybe you should consider working on it. Please do a search to find a thread or check out our "What are my chances thread?" here:[/b]
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=461082

MD vs DO
Physicians are hired as tradesman for the job of physician or surgeon, the degree qualifies you for the job but isn’t the job itself. Having said that, there is no discrepancy in salary between and MD and a DO, however it is debatable whether DOs or MDs make more money when self employed. There are way too many variable involved, such as location, local opinions, and individual performance to assess this. Here is a sample of discussions and opinions about this question:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=211261
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=202236
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=188100
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=184459
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=174042

Are DO's considered "medical doctors"? Or are they just doctors?

Actually Doctor of Osteopathy is an outdated term, the original title was Diplomat of Osteopathy when A.T. Still, MD only taught his students OMM and Anatomy, which then evolved into Doctor of Osteopathy as more forms of treatment such as surgery were taught. Our official title is Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine now as we are trained in Pharmacology (yes Dr. Still eventually had to allow medicine be taught), Surgery, and all aspects of modern medicine. We are medical doctors. Things have changed since people expected to die when they called their doctor to bleed them dry or administer some poison, and as things change so does our profession. It’s in that ability to adapt and be dynamic that makes our profession so great. If modern medicine went down a road to harm patients again I am sure we would diverge once again.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/sho...=medical+doctor

Dr. Russo's excellent "Reinventing Osteopathy" links


What should I wear to an interview?

The consensus is that business formal is the way to go but ladies may have a harder time choosing what to wear (men just go with a suit and the hardest choice is choosing a tie color). Here are some opinions and ideas on that topic:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=238982
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=239329
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=229988
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=217835
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=176131
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=172434
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=166760

How do I/Should I shadow a DO?

A good place to start is in contacting your state Osteopathic Medicine Society either via the web or phone and asking for a local list of physicians. Another way is to check out your local hospital, if they have a website that is best. Many schools suggest that you shadow a DO before applying and it is a requirement for others. Here are some opinions on this matter:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=234750
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=233228
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=228068
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=225110

How are DO schools ranked?

There are some rankings on the US News website, which can be accessed for a fee.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=233506
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=230900
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=211196
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=193832

where can I find AACOMAS statistics?

Here - http://www.aacom.org/data/annualreport/slideshow/index.html

Can I transfer from DO to MD?

Yes, it can be done. However, it is both difficult and rare. The best time to evaluate which school you would like to attend is before you start; however, there are situations in which people are forced to move and things like that.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=203514&page=2&pp=25
Official transfer policies for all US medical schools

DO or Caribbean?

This is the topic of many heated discussions over the years. The threads usually look the same and many end up in flame wars which get closed, however here is one that sums up the opinions on the DO forum rather nicely. Remember, if you ask this question on the DO forum you will get a DO biased answer, if you ask if on the FMG forum you may get different answers. In the end, it is up to you to evaluate which better suits you, DO, MD, or FMG MD.

I repeated a course. Are the classes averaged, do they just take the highest grade, or do they just take the last grade?

You will put all courses in the AACOMAS application even repeats and multiple repeats. Applicants should list the original class(es) as a repeat i.e. “Repeat” and then list the final time it is taken as “Last Repeat”. You will only enter a grade for the last time you took the course and this will be used to calculate you grade. 0 credits are given to all repeated courses except for the final one. This allows your class to be calculated in the GPA once.

Some classes are "repeated" for additional course work and is not considered a repeat. Grades should be entered for all of these courses.

Texas College of Osteopathic Medicine does not participate in AACOMAS and they use TMDSAS.

http://www.utsystem.edu/tmdsas/HomepageApplicants.htm

TMDSAS complies with the uniform GPA calculation for graduate and professional schools. Grades from all courses are calculated (even if repeated, failed or withdrawn failing). Grades with a plus or minus will be calculated as the letter grade only - the plus or minus will not be used. Each grade is given a numeric value: A=4, B=3, C=2, D=1 and F/FL=0.

http://www.utsystem.edu/tmdsas/Freq...pProcessing.htm


GPA Calculator

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2648895&postcount=47
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2651054&postcount=52

I'm retaking a science course. The original class had the lab and lecture combined for one grade. Now I want to repeat this class at another school but the lab and lecture are 2 separate course. What can I do?

what are the math requirements for DO schools? What other course requirements are there?

so far only 2 osteopathic schools require college math:

-UMDNJ-SOM requires applicants to complete 6 hours of math.
-UNTHSC/TCOM applicants must take 3 hours of calculus or statistics.

http://www.aacom.org/data/cib/03-prereqs.html

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Robotfishbrain

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Hey everyone, just a quick question. All my transcripts are verified and I have submitted my payment for each school. The status for each school now is "Payment received, Materials Received, Verifying." How long does it take for the school to change from Verifying to Verified? Is this a second verification process on my transcripts? I was under the impression AACOMAS already did this when I first submitted my transcripts?
 
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