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This will look good right next to the topic socialism.

Anyway, it concerns me that the right and the left make very clear (at least in my mind) actions that move us towards authoritarianism, and they are somehow are blind to the actions on THEIR side, while being very critical of the moves on the other side. It's fascinating.

Anyway, take a look at the test on the webpage. It is fun to do, and may be revealing to yourself.

I was hoping I would be right in the middle, but I wasn't far off.

 
too long for me. I tried for a few minutes...
 
This will look good right next to the topic socialism.

Anyway, it concerns me that the right and the left make very clear (at least in my mind) actions that move us towards authoritarianism, and they are somehow are blind to the actions on THEIR side, while being very critical of the moves on the other side. It's fascinating.

Anyway, take a look at the test on the webpage. It is fun to do, and may be revealing to yourself.

I was hoping I would be right in the middle, but I wasn't far off.


Join me at the barricades...



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I think some of the questions are interesting. It says in the instructions not to think about them too much as some of them have bias and vagueness by design.

But I want to talk about it and go over the questions with a friend of mine who was a little different than me surprisingly - and after we discuss each point, then I want to retake the test and see if my outcome changes.

Also, I wish the test would let you put on the graph where you think you are before taking the test.
 
Interesting they put Saudi Arabia and Singapore both in the upper far right. I know Saudia Arabia's economy is opening up, but I think they have quite a ways to go.

Here I am, will come as no surprise:


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It's only 6 pages because it's full of ads
 
Yeah - does this mean that the actual center is different than what we would assume?
I’m thinking that is the trend, but not taking this survey as a gold standard of anything.

I have been saying our sample group here is pretty homogeneous compared to society as a whole despite our wildly partisan divide in most discourse. This is bearing out in the survey.
 
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The libertarian tilt doesn't surprise me. I would have thought that my financial answers would have pushed me further right.

Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18

 
The questions seemed pretty loaded and didn't have nuance, but fun little test nonetheless. Here's my results. I'm a bit surprised given my hard stance on many politically sensitive issues.
 

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The questions seemed pretty loaded and didn't have nuance, but fun little test nonetheless. Here's my results. I'm a bit surprised given my hard stance on many politically sensitive issues.
I think if you made a survey like this that was appropriately nuanced you'd find people distributed all over a 3d map.

I don't think it would sell as well as commie v MAGA...
 
I think what these results highlight is how most people are probably much closer than we think - yet when it comes to communication about these things, we get very dogmatic and want to stand our ground, and probably we have a very shallow understanding of what the other person really is trying to say.

We would all be better of if we used more words like “interesting”, or “I see you point, I see it a little different”, or “that way might work also”
 
I think what these results highlight is how most people are probably much closer than we think - yet when it comes to communication about these things, we get very dogmatic and want to stand our ground, and probably we have a very shallow understanding of what the other person really is trying to say.

We would all be better of if we used more words like “interesting”, or “I see you point, I see it a little different”, or “that way might work also”
I agree with all three points. I was surprised how close to center some docs were.....but not surprised how far away others were!
 
This will look good right next to the topic socialism.

Anyway, it concerns me that the right and the left make very clear (at least in my mind) actions that move us towards authoritarianism, and they are somehow are blind to the actions on THEIR side, while being very critical of the moves on the other side. It's fascinating.

Anyway, take a look at the test on the webpage. It is fun to do, and may be revealing to yourself.

I was hoping I would be right in the middle, but I wasn't far off.

The questions don't actually dial down on your sociopolitical standing.

Libertarian vs Authoritarian is very straight forward. It's a spectrum of A) believing in the empowerment of people through the preservation of personal autonomy, or B) believing in control of the individual by the state (generally for the "greater good"). The US Constitution was created to stave off authoritarianism, as that is what was being escaped by (primarily) the Scots-Irish, when they settled in America.

Being "Left" vs "Right" dates back to the French revolution of 1789, during which time there was political reform being promoted by lords. Lords who felt the status quo (rule by the monarchy and the Church) should be maintained stood to the RIGHT of the monarch, and lords who felt there should be reform stood on the LEFT. The reform being promoted, while often poorly implemented, was to shift power from the monarchy to the people - generally, more democratic principles.

Modern day interpretation of Left vs Right seem to focus on economic principles, with many believing that being a Leftist means you're a socialist, and being a Right-winger means you're ruthless capitalist. However, this is an incorrect association, as Left vs Right has nothing to do with economic systems. Left vs Right has only to do with HOW decisions are made for a society. Socialism/Communism, and Capitalism are entirely separate philosophies for how material wealth should be created and distributed in society.

So an additional shortcoming of the above test is that there should also be a Z-axis, the position of which would be determined by how you lean in terms of your economic preferences.

So when this test asks things about racial superiority, or national pride, etc, these are irrelevant emotional hangups that plague American progressives. They're simply being presented to provide some sort of faux authoritative determination of one's sociopolitical standing.

The real test is this:

How much do you believe in:
personal autonomy (Libertarian) VS control by the state (Authoritarian).

How much do you believe in societal decision making via:
a citizen determined democratic process (LEFT) VS a central control apparatus unaccountable to a democratic process (RIGHT).

How much do you believe:
your own actions should determine your material wealth (Capitalism) VS wealth should be distributed from the more wealthy to the less wealthy, regardless of personal decisions, via a codified system of control (Socialism).

Going by the actual historic definitions of what it means to Left, Right, Authoritarian, Libertarian, Socialist, and Capitalist:

-> Most modern day Republicans/Conservatives seem to lean heavily toward being Liberal, Left-wing, Capitalists.
-> Most modern day Democrats/Progressives seem to lean closer than conservatives to authoritarianism, the right-wing, and socialism. That said, relative to countries around the world which can range all the way to hard Right authoritarian dictatorships, most American progressives I'd say still lean overall more towards being Libertarian, and Left-wing, and capitalist, but just relatively less than most conservatives. I've illustrated this below in terms of relative proximity to known authoritarian minimally or un-democratic regimes:

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These things change over time. This chart would have been reversed 30 years ago - during which time I identified as a Democrat. Further back in history, it also looked differently during the times just preceding the US Civil War, when almost all slave-owners were Democrats. Etc. All this to say that personal and party values change over time. My hope is that Democratic party values can return more toward true left-wing liberalism, like they used to.
 
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I am chuckling at all the people feeling good about being dead center on this chart right now, just because someone on the internet who posted a "test" decided their views were "center." Little do they know that, if taken literally in the true sense of Left vs Right, Authoritarian vs Libertarian, it puts them significantly closer to the dictatorial and authoritarian regimes that society has been trying to steadily move away from.
 
So…. You are supporting the party of morality? Is that what I am hearing?
Who are you referring to?

Is it the party of virtue signaling that provides sanctuary to sweet and innocent migrants, saves trans people, saves poor people, and saves "black and brown" people from white supremacists?
 
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