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I am finally finished! I thought the day of the DAT would never come. I took the test this morning, and here are my results.

AA: 23
PAT: 21
QR: 20
RC: 23
Bio: 21
Chem: 29
OChem: 21
Science: 22

I couldn't believe the chemistry score--29! Anyway, to say the least, I was pretty darn stoked. In fact, last Sunday, I was so sure that I wasn't ready for this test, that I nearly rescheduled the thing for another two weeks. Glad I didn't do that. To say the least, I am very pleased. I'm also very relieved. I've never put more time and effort into a stinking test in my life!

Before I report on the test, let me give you this background info. I graduated two years ago with an accounting degree. Last fall, I decided to come back to school and start the pre-reqs. Before last fall, I had zero science classes. So, during the fall I took the first half of Gen Chem, and that is it. During the winter, I took Human physiology, 2nd half of Gen Chem, and a vertebrate/invertebrate anatomy course. This spring (i.e. the last 6 weeks) I took the first half of Org Chem. I also studied for the DAT from Apr. 20 until this morning (20 minutes before the exam). My advisor told me that I didn't need the 2nd half of Ochem to do well, and I guess he was right. To prepare for the DAT, I enrolled in the Kaplan course and that is it. I did reference some old text books a couple of times. But, 95% of my studying was from Kaplan. No Topscore or Barrons or anything else.

As for my test this morning. I was actually really excited when the time came. I wrote down a bunch of trig formulas, identities, and other math stuff during the tutorial, which saved my bacon about 5 times during the QR section. The bio section was pretty straight forward. I was surprised at how many questions I had seen before from my Kaplan stuff. I pretty much had memorized all of the flash cards, and I read the entire bio section of the giant white kaplan book. Most of the questions were pretty generic bio questions with a good sampling from all of the different areas in Kaplan.

The Gen Chem section was much easier than anything I had seen during my Kaplan practice tests. In fact, two days ago, I took my final Kaplan practice test, and I scored an 18 on the Gen Chem section. So, I thought I wouldn't do very well on the real deal. But, as you can tell, I was really surprised with the results. I couldn't believe how easy the questions were. There weren't really any complex math calculations.

The OChem section was also much easier than the Kaplan stuff. Out of the 5 practice tests I took with Kaplan, I scored a 12, 13, 15, 13, 20. The real DAT was very straight forward with no tricky stuff. I had reviewed a few of the reactions from the 2nd half of Ochem in the Kaplan book (actually, last night, I read the entire Ochem section, and I think it paid off). On the test, I think I counted about 4 or 5 reactions that involved reactions we hadn't covered in the first half of Ochem. I was really glad!! Because I thought I'd be in trouble on this section.

The PAT wasn't that bad. I thought the keyholes, top-front-end, and pattern folding were easier than what I had seen with KAPLAN. I thought the angles were a little tougher than KAPLAN, but not by much. I took the online course, and most of my practice tests were just as pixelated as the real thing. The angles were close, but I thought they were manageable. I thought the hole-punching was a little tougher than KAPLAN. There were a few folds that I hadn't seen, but I was able to figure them out with just a little bit of effort. The cube counting was also a little different than KAPLAN. I thought the cubes were sometimes a little more tricky than normal. But, nothing unbearable.

The RC section was harder and easier than the KAPLAN tests I took. All three of my passages were MUCH longer than anything I had seen at KAPLAN. My first two passages were each 17 paragraphs long, and my supposedly short passage was 14 paragraphs. It took me 25 minutes to get through the first passage, 20 minutes to get through the second passage, and 15 minutes to get through the last passage. I thought the questions were easier than KAPLAN, and sometimes they seemed to go in order (the 1st question's answer was in the first paragraph, etc.) I thought I had done worse on this section, and I was relieved to find out I had done alright.

The QR section was also much easier than KAPLAN. I kept waiting for a really tough question to pop up, but none did. The hardest questions were the 3 ro 4 trig questions I got. I anticipated the QR section to give me a lot of problems, and I was relieved when I moved through this section easily.

Overall, I feel like my preparation for the DAT was adequate. I'd do the same thing again. These tests probably vary quite a bit from each other, and I was probably lucky to get a really easy test.

Anyway, I'm so excited. I couldn't have hoped for better scores!

Also, I have the big blue Kaplan book, the big white Kaplan book (brand new book given to folks who enroll in their $1000 course), the topscore CD (that I never used because I didn't want to get discouraged by a really hard test), and all of the KAPLAN flash cards (I think there are over 1200 questions) for sale. If you are interested, PM me and we'll talk.
 
Hey Javidicavity could you please explain to me what the tutorial you spoke about above was? When is it (i'm assuming first) and how long does it last? Is it automated. And for instance lets say you write down trig formulas during this and want more scratch paper at the break. Do you have to turn in all 5 sheets or could you just turn in 4, keeping the one with formulas, and get 4 new ones.

Thanks!!

Great scores by the way 🙂
 
DrTacoElf said:
Hey Javidicavity could you please explain to me what the tutorial you spoke about above was? When is it (i'm assuming first) and how long does it last? Is it automated. And for instance lets say you write down trig formulas during this and want more scratch paper at the break. Do you have to turn in all 5 sheets or could you just turn in 4, keeping the one with formulas, and get 4 new ones.

Thanks!!

Great scores by the way 🙂


The tutorial is a little training program on how to use a mouse and click on the answere, etc. You have the option of going through the tutorial before starting the actual test. The tutorial lasts for 30 minutes, which gives you plenty of time to right down info. It's not automated, so you have to click your way through 19 screens. I spent 5 minutes writing down info and then I went through the tutorial in about 5 more minutes.

As for scratch paper, my proctor only gave me 6 sheets at the beginning. I asked for more, but she told me that 6 was the limit. She said if I needed more at the break, that I could bring out the papers I had used and exchange them for new ones. In other words, at the break I had used up about 4 pages including the sheet with all of my formulas. I brought her the other 3 pages and she gave me 3 new sheets. So, I got to keep my "cheat" sheet. It worked out really well.
 
The Musketeer said:
Those are great scores!!! If you apply this year you will definately get in somewhere! Definitely apply ASAP!

Congratulation!

Thanks! I applied May 18, and I'm really excited to start hearing from dental schools!
 
Java:

You said that the Math on the real DAT was much easier than kaplan. What were you scoring on your Kaplan math sections?

Congrats on your great scores.
 
vasco said:
Java:

You said that the Math on the real DAT was much easier than kaplan. What were you scoring on your Kaplan math sections?

Congrats on your great scores.

I took five practice tests, and here is what I got:

13, 14, 13, 22 , 19

With Kaplan's tests, I saw lots of distance/rate/time, work, probability, trig, geometry, and combination/permutations. On the real thing, I saw two geometry, 4 or 5 trig, 2 combination, 1 probability, 0 work, and 0 distance/rate/time. Most of my problems were simple algebra stuff. I did score well on one of my practice tests, but it was a fluke. When I went back to check on my answers, I had guessed correctly on 5 problems. On the real DAT, guessing wasn't such an issue. The problems were a lot easier to tackle. As an interesting side note, about 5 years ago I took the GMAT, which is made up of a lot of math. The best score I ever got on the math part was 50th percentile! So, my math score on this test was a real surprise, but I also thought that the math was much easier to handle.

My only disclaimer is that I think the tests randomly draw questions from a test bank, and so I hope no one assumes that they won't get or will get certain questions based on this post.
 
Javadicavity:

Thanks for the quick response. I've been struggling with the math and was wondering if there was any hope for me. So thanks. I take the DAT next wed.
 
DrTacoElf said:
And the tutorial trick is totally legal?

Totally legal. You can write down anything you want once you are inside the room. I used the same strategy, and was encouraged to do so, when I studied for the NASD exams to become a stockbroker.

My original plan was to right down things like the krebs cycle, light and dark cycles, etc. But, by test day, I knew those really well, so I didn't write them down.

If you've memorized the formulas, and you just want to write them down on scratch paper for easy reference, I don't think you're being dishonest. On tough tests at school, I'll sometimes do the same thing since after 3 hours into a test, my brain can get a little scrambled.
 
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vasco said:
Javadicavity:

Thanks for the quick response. I've been struggling with the math and was wondering if there was any hope for me. So thanks. I take the DAT next wed.

Make sure you have your algebra down really well, and then review how to do some basic word problems. I think the number one way to score well on the Math part is to make sure and finish all of the problems. On two of those practice tests, I left 10 problems incomplete! On the real practice test, I finished with about 7 minutes to spare, so I went back and reworked some of the ones I had marked.
 
JavadiCaity

First, I must congratulate you on your scores. Second, I was really inspired by your post more than anyone else's. Your situation is nearly identical to that of mine and you succeed. Your post has given me hope that if I work hard enough at preparing for this exam; that I can succeed.

Can you break down what a typical studying day looked like for you? How many hours per day did you study? Did you study in blocks such as studying PAT for 2 weeks, O-chem for 2 weeks or did you study all the subjects everyday? Can you also give us some tips on how you maintained your discipline and what you would change if you had to do it all over again?

Congratulations again!
 
JavadiCavity said:
I am finally finished! I thought the day of the DAT would never come. I took the test this morning, and here are my results.

AA: 23
PAT: 21
QR: 20
RC: 23
Bio: 21
Chem: 29
OChem: 21
Science: 22

I couldn't believe the chemistry score--29! Anyway, to say the least, I was pretty darn stoked. In fact, last Sunday, I was so sure that I wasn't ready for this test, that I nearly rescheduled the thing for another two weeks. Glad I didn't do that. To say the least, I am very pleased. I'm also very relieved. I've never put more time and effort into a stinking test in my life!

Before I report on the test, let me give you this background info. I graduated two years ago with an accounting degree. Last fall, I decided to come back to school and start the pre-reqs. Before last fall, I had zero science classes. So, during the fall I took the first half of Gen Chem, and that is it. During the winter, I took Human physiology, 2nd half of Gen Chem, and a vertebrate/invertebrate anatomy course. This spring (i.e. the last 6 weeks) I took the first half of Org Chem. I also studied for the DAT from Apr. 20 until this morning (20 minutes before the exam). My advisor told me that I didn't need the 2nd half of Ochem to do well, and I guess he was right. To prepare for the DAT, I enrolled in the Kaplan course and that is it. I did reference some old text books a couple of times. But, 95% of my studying was from Kaplan. No Topscore or Barrons or anything else.

As for my test this morning. I was actually really excited when the time came. I wrote down a bunch of trig formulas, identities, and other math stuff during the tutorial, which saved my bacon about 5 times during the QR section. The bio section was pretty straight forward. I was surprised at how many questions I had seen before from my Kaplan stuff. I pretty much had memorized all of the flash cards, and I read the entire bio section of the giant white kaplan book. Most of the questions were pretty generic bio questions with a good sampling from all of the different areas in Kaplan.

The Gen Chem section was much easier than anything I had seen during my Kaplan practice tests. In fact, two days ago, I took my final Kaplan practice test, and I scored an 18 on the Gen Chem section. So, I thought I wouldn't do very well on the real deal. But, as you can tell, I was really surprised with the results. I couldn't believe how easy the questions were. There weren't really any complex math calculations.

The OChem section was also much easier than the Kaplan stuff. Out of the 5 practice tests I took with Kaplan, I scored a 12, 13, 15, 13, 20. The real DAT was very straight forward with no tricky stuff. I had reviewed a few of the reactions from the 2nd half of Ochem in the Kaplan book (actually, last night, I read the entire Ochem section, and I think it paid off). On the test, I think I counted about 4 or 5 reactions that involved reactions we hadn't covered in the first half of Ochem. I was really glad!! Because I thought I'd be in trouble on this section.

The PAT wasn't that bad. I thought the keyholes, top-front-end, and pattern folding were easier than what I had seen with KAPLAN. I thought the angles were a little tougher than KAPLAN, but not by much. I took the online course, and most of my practice tests were just as pixelated as the real thing. The angles were close, but I thought they were manageable. I thought the hole-punching was a little tougher than KAPLAN. There were a few folds that I hadn't seen, but I was able to figure them out with just a little bit of effort. The cube counting was also a little different than KAPLAN. I thought the cubes were sometimes a little more tricky than normal. But, nothing unbearable.

The RC section was harder and easier than the KAPLAN tests I took. All three of my passages were MUCH longer than anything I had seen at KAPLAN. My first two passages were each 17 paragraphs long, and my supposedly short passage was 14 paragraphs. It took me 25 minutes to get through the first passage, 20 minutes to get through the second passage, and 15 minutes to get through the last passage. I thought the questions were easier than KAPLAN, and sometimes they seemed to go in order (the 1st question's answer was in the first paragraph, etc.) I thought I had done worse on this section, and I was relieved to find out I had done alright.

The QR section was also much easier than KAPLAN. I kept waiting for a really tough question to pop up, but none did. The hardest questions were the 3 ro 4 trig questions I got. I anticipated the QR section to give me a lot of problems, and I was relieved when I moved through this section easily.

Overall, I feel like my preparation for the DAT was adequate. I'd do the same thing again. These tests probably vary quite a bit from each other, and I was probably lucky to get a really easy test.

Anyway, I'm so excited. I couldn't have hoped for better scores!

Also, I have the big blue Kaplan book, the big white Kaplan book (brand new book given to folks who enroll in their $1000 course), the topscore CD (that I never used because I didn't want to get discouraged by a really hard test), and all of the KAPLAN flash cards (I think there are over 1200 questions) for sale. If you are interested, PM me and we'll talk.


Javadi,

you score are awesome. nice job.

I know you mentioned that math was easy for you and you had 7 extra min. don't you think that your accounting background helped you? beacuse the math section that I took had a lot of word problems, and to be honest with you I was not able to get all of them down, eventhough my background is engineering. I found some of the word prblems to be really tricky. Also, there was a one Celcuis to Faranhit conversion, which I had seen in my physics books a long time ago and I could not remmeber the conversion at all.

I just want other DAT takers do not get this impression that math is really easy, I used to get 24 in Kaplan. Guys if you want to do well on the MATH section make sure to get the word problems down.

Once again great job on the DAT.
 
Congatulations on those scores! Would you mind sharing with us what schools you will be applying to?
 
nervousdattaker said:
JavadiCaity

First, I must congratulate you on your scores. Second, I was really inspired by your post more than anyone else's. Your situation is nearly identical to that of mine and you succeed. Your post has given me hope that if I work hard enough at preparing for this exam; that I can succeed.

Can you break down what a typical studying day looked like for you? How many hours per day did you study? Did you study in blocks such as studying PAT for 2 weeks, O-chem for 2 weeks or did you study all the subjects everyday? Can you also give us some tips on how you maintained your discipline and what you would change if you had to do it all over again?

Congratulations again!

No problem. Here is rough sketch:

On M, W, F:

I usually studied for my OChem class from 8am until 1pm. Went to Ochem from 2 until 4. From 6 to midnight I studied either Chemistry, math or the PAT. Generally, I spent more time studying Chemistry on MWF than I did math or PAT. Usually, I would study Chem for about 3 to 4 hours, and then I'd spend the balance of the time on math or the PAT.


On T, TH:

I worked most of the day until 6pm. During lunch I would go over math or I would run through my stack of biology or chemistry flash cards. At night, I'd study biology from 6pm unitl 9pm. At 9pm, I'd usually study Ochem until 1 to 2 am.


Saturdays:

I'd take the morning off and play with my kids (3 sweet little girls). During the afternoon, I'd study a mixture of everything. Usually about 2 hours on each subject except for the PAT, which I studied maybe 1 or 2 hours a week.


Sundays:

Nothing, I took the day off and spent time with my family.


The last two weeks:

I reserved taking any practice tests until the last two weeks. I took 3 practice tests the first week. I identified my weak areas, and then I'd study them exclusively.

The last week:

I spent 4 days studying nothing but Ochem. Two days before the test I w took my last practice test. I scored the lowest in OChem and math. So I spent the next two days studying these two subjects the heaviest. The day before the DAT, I had my Ochem final in class. After the test, I went to the library, read the entire Ochem section of the Kaplan book, and reread the parts of the biology (ecology, evolution, and some embryology) that I was the least confident about. That night, I also memorized a few trig functions and a couple of other formulas.


The morning of:

My test was at 9am. I woke up at 6 am and reviewed some Ochem reactions. Around 7:30, I went over some trig things, and reviewed a little chemistry. Showed up to the testing center at about 8:20.


As to the question of how I maintained my discipline, I'd say that I was scared out of my mind that if I didn't do well on this test that I'd have to do it all over again. Honestly, during the last week, I was very exhausted. I just wanted to get the test over with. My family was very supportive, and that helped out immensely.

Perhaps the only thing I would have liked to have known a little better was Ochem, but I didn't want to wait until August. During the winter I had just finished Chem and my biology credits, and I wanted to take the test while this stuff was still fresh.

Hope that helps.
 
balance said:
Javadi,

you score are awesome. nice job.

I know you mentioned that math was easy for you and you had 7 extra min. don't you think that your accounting background helped you? beacuse the math section that I took had a lot of word problems, and to be honest with you I was not able to get all of them down, eventhough my background is engineering. I found some of the word prblems to be really tricky. Also, there was a one Celcuis to Faranhit conversion, which I had seen in my physics books a long time ago and I could not remmeber the conversion at all.

I just want other DAT takers do not get this impression that math is really easy, I used to get 24 in Kaplan. Guys if you want to do well on the MATH section make sure to get the word problems down.

Once again great job on the DAT.

As for accounting being a help, I don't think it really helped me at all. I've never really been good at math. Accounting really isn't too math intensive. All you need to do is add, subtract, multiply, and divide. I think the hardest thing in accounting was the concept of the time-value of money.

I think you are right. People should plan for the hard concepts on the math part. I bought a cool book called "How to solve word problems in Algebra," that really helped me.
 
JavadiCavity said:
As for accounting being a help, I don't think it really helped me at all. I've never really been good at math. Accounting really isn't too math intensive. All you need to do is add, subtract, multiply, and divide. I think the hardest thing in accounting was the concept of the time-value of money.

I think you are right. People should plan for the hard concepts on the math part. I bought a cool book called "How to solve word problems in Algebra," that really helped me.

JavaidCavity,

Thanks for sharing your secret with us. I figured Kaplan has either really easy Math problems or really hard ones. That is why I was surprised on the DAT exam.

Good luck with the dental schools. Once again, nice job on the DAT.
 
Those are flat out AWESOME scores. 👍

Teh postman is gonna get tired of bringing you all those interview invite letters and heavy acceptance letters 🙂

good luck to ya

-critter
 
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Java - do you mind sharing with us what were those things you wrote on your "cheat sheet" while the tutorial?

BTW, great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations!!!!!!!
 
wimmcs said:
Java - do you mind sharing with us what were those things you wrote on your "cheat sheet" while the tutorial?

BTW, great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations!!!!!!!

Sure. It was really just the things that I had never learned.

Sin = opposite/hypotenuse
Cos = adjacent/hypotenuse
Tan = opposite/adjacent

Sec = hypotenuse/adjacent
Csc = hypotenuse/opposite
Cot = adjacent/opposite

formula for the distance between two points, etc.
 
hey excellent scores! im sure this is something that has been asked before but here goes..i haven't started studying any math yet and im wondering r there a lot of formulas to memorize? i mean im only a week into it and already there's so much stuff, i can't possibly conceive of having to memorize lots of formulas as well...

man i wish i had ur discipline, the most i can do in one day is 6 hours, after that i just can't take it anymore..i have a feeling im going to have the hardest time with ochem, i took it like 2 years ago and i've done about 5 chapters in the kaplan book and already there's so many reactions to memorize! any suggestions on how to learn them all? it's just rediculous..anyway u r an excellent role model to us all! way to go!
 
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