Finding a job as a DO more difficult than MD?

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I noticed that on nearly every job listing for physicians, they specifically say they are looking for an MD. Is it harder for DO's to find a job? The general consensus on SDN is that it's the same looking for a job as an MD than as a DO, but there is bound to be bias against DO's right? Are we underestimating this bias on SDN?

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you might want to post this in the resident section. pre-meds prob don't know too much about it
 
From what physicians have told me they put MD only to mean they don't want any mid levels to apply, a lot of people in HR who write those ads don't know what a DO is
 
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I noticed that on nearly every job listing for physicians, they specifically say they are looking for an MD. Is it harder for DO's to find a job? The general consensus on SDN is that it's the same looking for a job as an MD than as a DO, but there is bound to be bias against DO's right? Are we underestimating this bias on SDN?

I worked as a recruiter for a healthcare staffing company. When they post a job listing and write MD only, it's to clarify that they want a doctor for the position and not midlevel such as PA/NP/APN. No distinction between MD/DO for the position.
 
Lol. Imagine this. Ask 10 MDs if they think of themselves as interchangeable as DOs. Then ask 10 DOs the same question. Will their answers be different? Who do you think the public more closely relates with?
 
This is not rocket science. Let's call a spade a spade here...
 
Lol. Imagine this. Ask 10 MDs if they think of themselves as interchangeable as DOs. Then ask 10 DOs the same question. Will their answers be different? Who do you think the public more closely relates with?
For being your third post, you're certainly tracking downwards.
Go out into the world and get some insight so you don't DYI
 
There are some MD groups who would not take a DO. I shadowed an orthopaedist who proclaimed that his group would not take a DO as he believed they had inferior residency training.

Still, I doubt you will ever have difficulty finding a job as an MD or DO.
 
For being your third post, you're certainly tracking downwards.
Go out into the world and get some insight so you don't DYI
Ok. I do live in the real world. I don't have to lie to myself to make me feel better. I'm not saying it's right. Everyone messes up when they are younger and so DO is the only route to become a physician for some people ... and they can end up becoming great physicians. However, that does NOT mean the discrimination and stigma does not exist. Lieing to yourself does not make the problem go away, I'm sorry. DOs will face discrimination that MDs wont. It's pretty simple ... and painfully obvious.
 
I noticed that on nearly every job listing for physicians, they specifically say they are looking for an MD. Is it harder for DO's to find a job? The general consensus on SDN is that it's the same looking for a job as an MD than as a DO, but there is bound to be bias against DO's right? Are we underestimating this bias on SDN?
In academic settings DO vs MD totally matters. Everywhere else, not so much.
 
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Ok. I do live in the real world. I don't have to lie to myself to make me feel better. I'm not saying it's right. Everyone messes up when they are younger and so DO is the only route to become a physician for some people ... and they can end up becoming great physicians. However, that does NOT mean the discrimination and stigma does not exist. Lieing to yourself does not make the problem go away, I'm sorry. DOs will face discrimination that MDs wont. It's pretty simple ... and painfully obvious.
The only settings where DOs face discrimination versus their MD counterparts is prestigious academic institutions. Everywhere else they're pretty equal.
 
The only settings where DOs face discrimination versus their MD counterparts is prestigious academic institutions. Everywhere else they're pretty equal.
And you know that because you worked in both an academic institution and private sector and were plugged in with human resources and participated in hiring physicians?
 
This reminds me of the off brand sneakers like niqe or adidaus. .. they may be built just as great, maybe even better, and for cheaper ... but people will always go for the nike and adidas brand .. because they trust it and it has a strong name
 
And you know that because you worked in both an academic institution and private sector and were plugged in with human resources and participated in hiring physicians?

I know that at least in Massachusetts General Hospital, it is near impossible for a DO to be hired there. 99% of the time they hire MD's.
 
And also based on the sediment that most DOs have ... the one that the big mean academic institution's don't like to hire DOs, doesn't just that in it of itself mean your discriminated and so attaining a DO vs MD puts you at a disadvantage? I'm confused.
 
And also based on the sediment that most DOs have ... the one that the big mean academic institution's don't like to hire DOs, doesn't just that in it of itself mean your discriminated and so attaining a DO vs MD puts you at a disadvantage? I'm confused.

Yes, DO does put you at a significant disadvantage if you want to do research at the top name teaching institutions/hospitals.

Look, it is well known that DO's average stats are not as good as MD stats. When you have top name institutions with graduates from top MD schools applying to these places, where do you think the DO applicant stands? A hospital only has a couple of residency spots open. Should they take the MD's from the top MD schools around the country or should they take a DO applicant?
 
And you know that because you worked in both an academic institution and private sector and were plugged in with human resources and participated in hiring physicians?
I know that because I spent many years in a top academic institution, taking with the best of the best DOs, learning about their struggle to make it into Big Ivy. Couple that with the experience I've got working with DOs from my school that made it into low-to-mid tier academics, and I've got a decent picture.

What do you have, aside from opinion? Because, as basically every MD attending here will tell you, your residency matters more than your degree, a rule to which there are very, very few exceptions.
 
I know that because I spent many years in a top academic institution, taking with the best of the best DOs, learning about their struggle to make it into Big Ivy. Couple that with the experience I've got working with DOs from my school that made it into low-to-mid tier academics, and I've got a decent picture.

What do you have, aside from opinion? Because, as basically every MD attending here will tell you, your residency matters more than your degree, a rule to which there are very, very few exceptions.
And that residency training ... the one that determines the value that you have as a physician to the real world ... bases their selection on YOUR DEGREE!
 
Again, I'm not saying it's right. There ARE DO physicians that are better than some MDs. . And vise versa. But that discrimination is totally there ... if you didn't want it ... you should have been a Rockstar from the beginning ... you can't whine about the rules of the game because your not winning .. that's all.
 
I don't think it is so much bias against DOs at academic centers, as there is a general scarce of DOs engaged in big research. If you aren't doing a lot of research in medical school, how the heck are you going to break into it afterwards? DO schools do not place much value into research, and thus are not actively recruiting students interested in becoming researchers. It's a self-selection bias.

Anyway, I am more concerned with the clinical side of medicine 😛
 
So people going to DO schools are the ones not interested in research. That's all? It's their choice? 95 percent of them wouldn't do MD the first chance they got? Really???
 
I know that at least in Massachusetts General Hospital, it is near impossible for a DO to be hired there. 99% of the time they hire MD's.


"Man's Greatest Hospital" lol. Who cares? I know a number of great academic university MCs using DOs.
 
Please excuse @Favoritefarm
I foresee a banhammer in his future.
I'm not kidding when I say an add that says "Looking for MD" is just in reference to a physician, and not mid-levels.
Is there a DO bias some places? Sure, especially in academic medicine. Is that bias common? No.
 
Please excuse @Favoritefarm
I foresee a banhammer in his future.
I'm not kidding when I say an add that says "Looking for MD" is just in reference to a physician, and not mid-levels.
Is there a DO bias some places? Sure, especially in academic medicine. Is that bias common? No.
Of course it is.
 
Of course the bias is common? Have you been around any real medicine?
Yes I have. I'll give you this ... it may not be common in family medicine. .. but in every other field it is. I'm sorry. People will always want an MD over DO. That may change in 50 years but not before then.... for sure.
 
Yes I have. I'll give you this ... it may not be common in family medicine. .. but in every other field it is. I'm sorry. People will always want an MD over DO. That may change in 50 years but not before then.... for sure.

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"Man's Greatest Hospital" lol. Who cares? I know a number of great academic university MCs using DOs.

Perhaps, but if you want to do research or get a fellowship there, you'll need a MD. Sorry, but it's true. I've been doing research there for the past 5 years. I'm planning to do clinical and not research, so I don't really care.
 
Perhaps, but if you want to do research or get a fellowship there, you'll need a MD. Sorry, but it's true. I've been doing research there for the past 5 years. I'm planning to do clinical and not research, so I don't really care.

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There are some MD groups who would not take a DO. I shadowed an orthopaedist who proclaimed that his group would not take a DO as he believed they had inferior residency training.

Still, I doubt you will ever have difficulty finding a job as an MD or DO.

Doesn't he know that many DO's do the same residency training as MD's? It's like people suddenly get stupid when this topic comes up.
 
Again, I'm not saying it's right. There ARE DO physicians that are better than some MDs. . And vise versa. But that discrimination is totally there ... if you didn't want it ... you should have been a Rockstar from the beginning ... you can't whine about the rules of the game because your not winning .. that's all.
Yes I have. I'll give you this ... it may not be common in family medicine. .. but in every other field it is. I'm sorry. People will always want an MD over DO. That may change in 50 years but not before then.... for sure.
Lol no it just irks me when people lie to themselves
No one cares about your degree in private practice. Some top academic centers care, but that's about it. If you don't want to work in academics and don't want to do derm, plastics, neurosurgery, or any of the other ultra-competitive fields, being a DO really doesn't present any problems. This has been discussed ad nauseam in the physician forums and every single thread comes down to "I don't care where you went to school, I care that you're BC." Unless you somehow claim to know more than actual physicians that hire other physicians, in which case, I'm literally lacking in words.
 
Lol. Imagine this. Ask 10 MDs if they think of themselves as interchangeable as DOs. Then ask 10 DOs the same question. Will their answers be different? Who do you think the public more closely relates with?
The general public has no idea if their doctor is an MD or DO. There are many doctors I've met who graduated in the Caribbean or Guadalajara and none of their patients know or care.

And also based on the sediment that most DOs have ... the one that the big mean academic institution's don't like to hire DOs, doesn't just that in it of itself mean your discriminated and so attaining a DO vs MD puts you at a disadvantage? I'm confused.

Sediment: matter that settles to the bottom of a liquid; dregs.
DO's don't have a sediment, you are sediment.
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Sorry I don't spell check on the internet. I am definitely a troll because of that ... that is the hallmark sign, you are right
 
It's funny that there is so much insecurity. I don't understand it though. People that mess up in college go to DO, people that do well go to US MD ... it makes sense that the public believes that the former will likely continue to perform poorly when compared to the latter ... the discrimination makes sense. Not saying all DOs perform inferior but again this isn't that difficult to comprehend.
 
No you aren't a troll because of that. You are a troll because you have a wealth of degrading and sarcastic remarks and completely derailed a thread for your own amusement. Like I said the public doesn't know a dang thing about DO's vs. MD's. And if you are so concerned about people lying to themselves, you should realize that you are lying to yourself if you think anyone cares about your opinion.
 
No you aren't a troll because of that. You are a troll because you have a wealth of degrading and sarcastic remarks and completely derailed a thread for your own amusement. Like I said the public doesn't know a dang thing about DO's vs. MD's. And if you are so concerned about people lying to themselves, you should realize that you are lying to yourself if you think anyone cares about your opinion.
So your saying everything is OK because the public is iggnorant? If a pt had to pick and sees the common MD initial after the names of 10 physicians and 1 DO ... what do you think that patient is going to think? That that DO is a super MD? Ignorance is a bad thing for you ... people fear what they don't know ... they will stay away from that DO initial and go with the more common MD. Again, not opinion. These are facts. And really easy ones to understand. You just don't want to accept it. Doesn't make it go away. Sorry bud.
 
And for people that are not iggnorant... they know that the Rockstars go on to MD and the ones that performed more poorly in college go on to DO. So .... where is the confusion?
 
It's funny that there is so much insecurity. I don't understand it though. People that mess up in college go to DO, people that do well go to US MD ... it makes sense that the public believes that the former will likely continue to perform poorly when compared to the latter ... the discrimination makes sense. Not saying all DOs perform inferior but again this isn't that difficult to comprehend.
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There's plenty of DOs nowadays who had MD stats and went DO anyway, for various reasons (I had stats that would put me at the mean for Harvard, for instance, but went DO for reasons). There is no correlation between Step scores or institution attended and performance as a physician or complication rates. Saying that you're incorrect isn't done out if insecurity, it is done because you are incorrect.
 
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There's plenty of DOs nowadays who had MD stats and went DO anyway, for various reasons (I had stats that would put me at the mean for Harvard, for instance, but went DO for reasons). There is no correlation between Step scores or institution attended and performance as a physician or complication rates. Saying that you're incorrect isn't done out if insecurity, it is done because you are incorrect.
I never said there's a correlation. I actually said the opposite. You need to work on reading comprehension. I said there is a discrimination. And if you "chose" DO which is most likely not true, you chose to have an uphill battle for your career because you will always be viewed as inferior in the public eye. Not saying it's true but that's how the world sees it.
 
I never said there's a correlation. I actually said the opposite. You need to work on reading comprehension. I said there is a discrimination. And if you "chose" DO which is most likely not true, you chose to have an uphill battle for your career because you will always be viewed as inferior in the public eye. Not saying it's true but that's how the world sees it.

A lot of people on these forums, whether truthful or not, have a status. Premed, faculty, med student, etc. So... what are you? You're making very sweeping claims about the public/professional opinions and you have not cited anything... From here on, I will imagine you like the raving, drunken person at a football game; you might know something, but no one in their right mind would cozy to close to you because you might vomit on them.

(Obviously you could lie, and you'd never fully disclose who you were, which is fine, but you speak vaguely and without any support than 'common wisdom'... and you've entirely sidetracked the OP's thread.)
 
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