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VUMD2be

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I am a pre-med student who is shadowing/observing his first surgery in two days, and I am obviously clueless to the life of the OR. What are some simple, basic guidelines to follow so that I don't make a complete ass of myself? I know I won't be doing anything, but I just wanted to make sure to avoid some OR faux pas that I was unaware of. Also, the surgeon told me not to worry about bringing scrubs, etc. because "everything would be provided for me." Not sure what this means, but what attire/shoes should I wear?
(by the way, the procedures are a knee replacement and then a hip replacement- I would have posted in the ortho forum, but that place is dead)
Thanks!
 
i don't care what they tell you in advance, if you happen to have scrubs, bring 'em. as a med student i have been to very few ORs that willingly give up scrubs. if you don't, no worries, but i personally feel better when prepared.
regarding joint replacement (and all surgeries really, but especially these), the main thing is to be sterile. i was often the first assistant and my ortho attending let me do quite alot. but his opening statement to me was "i don't care how good you are, your main goal is to remain sterile".
so scrub in with care. gown with care. and if you're not sure, ask before you do something. the scrub nurses will talk you through it. joint replacement with the spacesuits and whatnot are a little different than other surgeries. but if you're respectful (and sterile), they'll talk you through the whole thing.
and they're fun. powertools and messiness. and jumpsuits. they made my ortho rotation a blast. so have fun!
 
some things that will make you look like a star and much loved in the OR:

1. make sure everyone knows you are a premed student, make sure to emphasize premed as much as possible.
2. get on the scrub nurse's good side as soon as possible. the best way to do this is to periodically touch things and check with her if you've contaminated it. this will keep them on their toes and they will appreciate you for this
4. make some classic conversation with the anesthesiologist about how his/her career is being taken over by CNAs.
5.read up on the procedure the night before and find some esoteric facts about the operation. then in the middle of the surgery quiz the assistant surgeon on one of these points. if he/she doesn't know, ask the same question of the attending surgeon. if neither know, answer the question yourself in a tone that makes it seem as if the answer was obvious. if they fire back any of their own questions you can claim you're just a premed.
6.ask for a letter of recommendation for medical school right in the middle of the procedure.

😀
 
There are some good threads about OR experiences here; I suggest you take a gander at some of them for advice regarding "fear of fainting", etc. Even though you may be excited, the OR heat, smells, anxiety can may anyone feel a bit nauseated. Couple that with the disorienting "spacesuit" you have to wear during joint replacements (its hard to hear, its hot, your vision is obscured, etc.), it can be a difficult experience.

Wear something nice but casual, depending on the plans for the day. If you're just going to be in the OR (ie, no office hours or clinic) then a simple "Gap/J.Crew" look would be fine - ie, polo shirt and khakis. You will likely spend most of your time in scrubs. Bring a pair of comfortable shoes in which you can stand for long periods. Do not bring new shoes - they are uncomfortable generally and if they get blood on them you will be disappointed. Sneakers are fine. Sandals are not.

Know that the OR is divided into Sub-sterile and Sterile areas. The first are generally the halls outside of the ORs and require you to wear scrubs, a surgical cap and OR shoes or shoe covers. While I know its been suggested to bring your own scrubs, bear in mind that some hospitals will not allow "outside" scrubs to be worn into their ORs; you must wear the hospital supplied ones.

Once inside the OR you should have your mask on. You will occasionally see people without their masks; this is generally accepted if the sterile trays (equipment, towels, etc.) aren't opened yet. As a student, be on the safe side and wear your mask when in the OR at all times.

Don't wear a long t-shirt under your scrubs. You won't be able to scrub with the sleeves pushed up and you will get hot, especially in Ortho and Peds rooms. Tuck your shirt into your pants and keep shoelaces inside the shoe covers. For most Ortho procedures you should wear knee high booties..makes the blood bath a little less heavy. You shouldn't need to for joint replacements, but in trauma cases and other heavy blood loss ones, you can soak the gown (even the paper ones) through to your underwear and socks. Have something clean to change into afterwards.

When you scrub, make sure that you have your glasses on (if you wear them)and are all ready to go. The attending, resident, medical student or nurse will assist you with donning the space suit. If not wearing the space suit, have your eye protection, mask, etc. on. Its a common mistake not to and then have to rescrub.

Double glove. Don't be like me and only do it if someone makes you.

Don't hold your hands up high, close to your face. Either someone here is teaching all the medical students to do that or they've watched too much tv. Keep your hands right in front of you, no lower than at 90 degrees and no higher than your nipples. Otherwise, you will contaminate yourself. You'll see us with our arms folded, nearing our armpits. Do not emulate; this is an advanced move.

As noted, your job is to not contaminate the field. Everyone will be watching you like a hawk. If anyone, especially the scrub nurse, says you've contaminated the field, don't argue...you have.

When you approach the surgical field, rest your hands on the patient - preferably not in the wound, until you are invited to. You are much less likely to contaminate yourself by dropping your hands to your side, or touching your mask if you have your hands on the field.

Know that the back of your gown is not sterile, so keep your front toward the table at all times, and when crossing paths with another sterile person, turn your back toward their back or cross front to front (ie, sterile to sterile, or non-sterile to non-sterile).

There will be several people in the OR, most of whom have important jobs. Besides you and the attending, there may be a resident or fellow, medical student, the anesthesiologist and resident, or CRNA (be careful you aren't taking Dire Straits advice in discussing the "CRNA problem" without first ascertaining whom is actually on the other side of the drape). Their will be a scrub nurse and a circulator who will get supplies or other equipment needed. Make sure the circulator knows your name and how to spell it. If there's white board in the room, write your name on it so they can record it on the OR record (they are required to keep track of anyone in the room, even if you're just watching). A tech or two may roam into the room. Occasionally a drug or equipment rep hanging about. Sometimes some nursing students.

When the case is over, don't just disappear. Help transfer the patient from the OR table to his bed. If the surgeon doesn't put the dressings on, assist the scrub nurse in doing so. Go to the PACU with him (unless your attending has other plans for you).

Don't worry - no one expects you to know anything. Listen, watch and you'll pick up how things work. Have fun!
 
Dire Straits said:
some things that will make you look like a star and much loved in the OR:

1. make sure everyone knows you are a premed student, make sure to emphasize premed as much as possible.
2. get on the scrub nurse's good side as soon as possible. the best way to do this is to periodically touch things and check with her if you've contaminated it. this will keep them on their toes and they will appreciate you for this
4. make some classic conversation with the anesthesiologist about how his/her career is being taken over by CNAs.
5.read up on the procedure the night before and find some esoteric facts about the operation. then in the middle of the surgery quiz the assistant surgeon on one of these points. if he/she doesn't know, ask the same question of the attending surgeon. if neither know, answer the question yourself in a tone that makes it seem as if the answer was obvious. if they fire back any of their own questions you can claim you're just a premed.
6.ask for a letter of recommendation for medical school right in the middle of the procedure.

😀

LMAO
 
So...i'm not sure how much you know already. If this seems completely obvious then disregard. The advice above seems good but it seems to assume some knowledge and that you will scrub. Dont assume that you will get to scrub if you havent been told this will be the case. If you get invited to...do it....but be darn careful.

The people who are actually performing the procedure are those who "scrub". Just a long hand/arm wash and donning of sterile gowns. There will be tables of sterile instruments and a sterile drape on the patients. If you are not scrubbed, dont touch anything that is sterile (anything blue/green is a good hint...if your not sure...then stay away). If you are allowed to scrub, then once you are in your sterile gown/gloves you can touch what is sterile, but nothing else. However, dont touch any instruments or the like without express permission, as this is the scrubs territory (scrub nurse, or surgical technician) and they tend to defend their territory.

If anyone says you contaminated something, whether you did or not, dont argue, just accept it and go on....or you will face some serious wrath.

Ortho specific:
Some orthopods like to wear these big "space suits" to prevent contamination. Only those who scrub wear them. Basically just a paper hood that goes over your entire head...looks a little like a cheap version of those biosafety 4 suits you seen in the movies. They are a pain in the ass to get on the first couple of times. The front of the hood is kept sterile.

ALWAYS wear your mask in an ortho room...just in case. At our hospital, and I assume most others, they specially decontaminate the rooms for total joints the night before a procedure. After this it is necessary to wear a mask in the room, even if instruments are not out...this is not typical of other types of surg. Dont take off your mask or spacesuit after the procedure unless others do so.

Cardinal ortho sin:
Do not under any circumstances walk between the instruments and the laminar flow wall (if they have...probably will). Its a big metal wall that blows air across the room in a specific direction. This will "blow" your germs onto the table (supposedly....but more importantly it will piss off the scruber...a lot).

Write down your name for the circulating nurse...this is the nurse that does the paperwork and and runs and gets things. If you are in the room before the surgeon is, then make sure to introduce yourself to the circulator/whoever if you can without interupting. That will make them a lot more comfortable with your presence.

If you stay to help them move the patient after the procedure, your best bet is to help by holding the patients feet as they role them from the table to a cart.

If you just stay alert to what is going on and friendly, you should be fine.
 
As a premed, I HIGHLY doubt you will actually scrub, I don't think anyone not in a medical program is insured to do anything involving contact.

So, all these really specific comments, probably won't apply.

Just realize, you can't touch ANYTHING, but offer to play DJ and change the CD selections on long cases. Sneek your favorite gangster death rap into the mix, and put it on, then start jammin out.

And, asking at about noon if there is catered lunch in the lunch room, and if so, what they might be bringing, then asking the surgeon to speed it up so you can get some food before it gets cold, thats always a winner.

Every once in while, make your way to the gas station and read over the anesthesiologist's shoulder,(chances are they will be reading something) read slowly out loud, ask for help pronouncing words :laugh:

In all seriousness, don't touch anything, if you feel light headed, ask to sit down. Ask some questions if you are curious, and don't touch anything. Did I mention don't touch anything?

*one of my first times observing, the nurses set up the irrigation and turned on the pump, and forgot to clamp the hose. It started spewing saline across the room, and instinctively I reached out and clamped it closed. It's embarrasing having to watch the techs throw away everything and start over, and then make jokes about getting you some sterile gloves before the next case. Did I mention don't touch anything?
 
How about REALLY basic advice to get you through the day. Since all the advice given above may be overwhelming you....

1. Show up looking nice. If/when going to the OR, ask where scrubs are and what other gear you need to put on (mask, booties, surgical cap). Wear comfortable shoes.

2. When you enter the OR, DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING and STAND OUT OF THE WAY. Make sure your mask is on. Tell the people in the room (scrub and circulating nurses) your name, the fact that you are a college student and NOT a med student, and ALWAYS be nice to them.

3. They will tell you where to stand and what you can touch. If you are scrubbing in (i.e. getting sterile so you can stand really close or help), tell them you have never done it before so they can show you how. If you are not sure about something, ASK NICELY, do not "fake it". Don't assume you can touch anything unless you are told it is ok...this way you will not get yelled at or accidentally contaminate something. Do what you are told to do by any member of the OR staff.

4. Use your best judgment when asking questions of the surgeon.

5. The nurses/techs in the OR will watch you like a hawk. This is their job, so don't be offended by it.
 
I'd echo what Smurfette said, but I'll try to make this even more basic. To break it down to 2 major rules:

1. If you are not scrubbed in, whatever you do, DO NOT touch anything that's blue or anything that's on a blue drape, towel, or sheet. Those things are all sterile. (some ORs might use green to designate sterile stuff -- just don't touch anything that has color). If you are going to stand out of the way, make sure you move into an area that does not have anything blue around. Or better yet, ask the scrub nurse or circulating nurse where you can stand.

2. Make sure you wear a cap and mask when you walk into the actual OR room.

Everything else will probably be explained to you as long as you introduce yourself as being a college student, and that you make sure that they know you've never been in an OR before. And don't expect to scrub in -- I highly doubt they will let you, especially on your first day.
 
I got a bit carried away with the scrubbing comments in my reply above. The chances of scrubbing tend to vary with the hospital your attending will be working at. Our hospital has a policy of no one less than an MS3 is allowed to scrub...that's fairly new. It is variably enforced though...I've seen some attendings "bend" that rule and allow pre-meds to scrub. At local community hospitals,VAs and surgery centers, I've found the rules to be much more lenient. So, it really may depend on where you'll be going that day.

Make sure you have something to eat before you go in but keep the fluids to a minimum (not enough to dehydrate you, but you don't want to leave frequently to urinate), don't lock your knees, and let everyone know if you feel you are going to faint. An unconscious or bloody person in the OR besides the one on the table is not appreciated! 😀
 
Kimberli Cox said:
let everyone know if you feel you are going to faint. An unconscious or bloody person in the OR besides the one on the table is not appreciated! 😀

Oh yeah -- if you are about to faint, make sure you fall **away** from the sterile field. 😀
 
the most important thing to do is every so often mutter under your breath "that's not how they did it on ER" rotate through the shows, (chicago hope, doogie howser, grey's, scrubs etc....cite specific cast members names too)

oh yeah, I don't think anyone has mentioned this point yet, but try not to touch anything.
 
adamdowannabe said:
the most important thing to do is every so often mutter under your breath "that's not how they did it on ER" rotate through the shows, (chicago hope, doogie howser, grey's, scrubs etc....cite specific cast members names too)

oh yeah, I don't think anyone has mentioned this point yet, but try not to touch anything.


Aren't you a PA who likes to bash MD's on other threads? Why are you posting here? Your comments make no sense and are not helpful to the initial poster.
 
First of all, thank you guys so much for your helpful and insightful posts. I appreciate your time, effort, and humor. For future students in a similar situation, I will recap the day's events.
The surgeries were this morning and they were absolutely amazing to watch. I was able to observe the operations at a comfortable 3-4 feet from the table, helping the scrub nurse gather equipment as she needed. The doc's team consisted of two nurses assisting the surg, one gathering and prepping the equipment, and the scrub nurse (who was watching me like a hawk). Since there were no residents or medical students, the doctor talked me through every step of the surgery, which I thought was pretty amazing. The knee was uncomplicated and only took about 50 minutes, skin to skin. The hip, on the other hand, was in much worse shape, with many cysts and much damage due to the pt's 300-some odd pounds. This procedure took about an hour and a half. If unfamilar with ortho, you will be mesmerized by the cool tools and gadgets used in surgery (drills, saws etc) which give the OR all the sounds of a mechanic's garage.
Other than the obvious and aforementioned, I would suggest that you be careful what you eat before going to the OR for the first time. I had a little yogurt before going to the hospital, but the doc insisted that I eat the eggs in the cafeteria. I rarely eat scrambled eggs, so when the saws and cauterizers started up, I really felt kinda woozy. I stepped back, took a breather, and after a minute I was fine. I guess this just happens. Otherwise, just keep your arms crossed (to yourself), shift your weight (don't pass out!), be polite, and offer to help move the patient after the procedure. AND DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING!!!
One thing I was suprised by was the complete seperation b/t the anesth. and the surgery. Although I have heard of this before, I had no idea how extreme it really was. He was completely covered up during the entire surgery, only coming out for "take off and landing."
Overall, it was an amazing day that has really opened my eyes to the world of the OR.
 
VUMD2be said:
First of all, thank you guys so much for your helpful and insightful posts. I appreciate your time, effort, and humor. For future students in a similar situation, I will recap the day's events.
The surgeries were this morning and they were absolutely amazing to watch. I was able to observe the operations at a comfortable 3-4 feet from the table, helping the scrub nurse gather equipment as she needed. The doc's team consisted of two nurses assisting the surg, one gathering and prepping the equipment, and the scrub nurse (who was watching me like a hawk). Since there were no residents or medical students, the doctor talked me through every step of the surgery, which I thought was pretty amazing. The knee was uncomplicated and only took about 50 minutes, skin to skin. The hip, on the other hand, was in much worse shape, with many cysts and much damage due to the pt's 300-some odd pounds. This procedure took about an hour and a half. If unfamilar with ortho, you will be mesmerized by the cool tools and gadgets used in surgery (drills, saws etc) which give the OR all the sounds of a mechanic's garage.

So you went into an Orthopaedics case. Hmmm, no wonder you had a cool surgeon and a pleasant experience! :meanie:

Sorry, had to say that! 😳
 
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