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Just wondering if anyone else has had as much trouble as I have just trying to enroll for post-bac classes? I'm officially a non-degree seeking student at a local state college and my chances of being able to take the courses I need (organic chemistry, genetics, etc...) seem bleeker by the day given the fact that I'm not eligible to register till 2 days before classes begin. One of the classes I wanted to take has already reached full capacity and is closed for the Spring semester. I'm really trying to stick to the state school route since I'd only have to cough up 150 bucks a credit vs. the 500 bucks a credit at the local private univ.
Any suggestions, thoughts or advice would be appreciated. How have other non-trads handled this dilemma or is this a Florida thing? Thanks in advance!
 
Just wondering if anyone else has had as much trouble as I have just trying to enroll for post-bac classes? I'm officially a non-degree seeking student at a local state college and my chances of being able to take the courses I need (organic chemistry, genetics, etc...) seem bleeker by the day given the fact that I'm not eligible to register till 2 days before classes begin. One of the classes I wanted to take has already reached full capacity and is closed for the Spring semester. I'm really trying to stick to the state school route since I'd only have to cough up 150 bucks a credit vs. the 500 bucks a credit at the local private univ.
Any suggestions, thoughts or advice would be appreciated. How have other non-trads handled this dilemma or is this a Florida thing? Thanks in advance!

This is the very reason I and others opt for formal post baccs...do you have a reputable community college in the area? They most likely would not play games with your registration...but on SDN it is a big no-no to do the prereqs at a CC, but I think it is justifiable and acceptable (but you might run it by a med school you are interested in to be sure...)

And I have to say, although the $ issue is very relevant, that is not a ridiculous amount to pay at a private college...otherwise, it could take years to get the classes in at the public...and time = money...
 
it could take years to get the classes in at the public...and time = money...


very true postbacker, thanks for the words of wisdom. I dread taking on more debt and perhaps it wouldn't be all that horrible to look into a reputable cc. Perhaps a strong mcat score can compensate for the cc courses. I had taken all the pre-reqs as an undergrad anyway and I'm looking more to refresh my memory and take some higher level science courses at this point.
 
I'd recommend enrolling as an undergrad "pursuing your 2nd bachelors"
You'll get priority registration, tuition is often cheaper, and financial aid in the form of subsidized stafford loans becomes available. Lots of people go this route, myself included. And, you are not obligated to finish your second degree- just knock out your post-bac pre-reqs and smile at all the tens of thousands of dollars you saved by not doing a formal post-bac. You wouldn't be able to do this in time for spring registration- start looking at summer and apply to your school now. The application was a snap (compared to my undergrad one at NYU where I needed LORs, essay, etc) just a few basic questions, a copy of your college transcripts, and possibly your SATS if they are not on any of your transcripts already.

Last summer I was a regular old post-bac student and had to register the first day of classes. Now my registration appointment is on par with full-time juniors from the college.
 
^^^ Agreed

I enrolled at my local university as a 2nd bachelors/degree seeking student and have registration priority as a "5th year" senior😀 My girlfriend has to wait until open registration (3weeks later) since she is a non-matriculated student and the difference in application was probably just a check mark somewhere since I believe she had to have her transcripts sent too.
 
I'd recommend enrolling as an undergrad "pursuing your 2nd bachelors"
You'll get priority registration, tuition is often cheaper, and financial aid in the form of subsidized stafford loans becomes available. Lots of people go this route, myself included.

That isn't always true. I applied for a second degree at USF and when it came time to register, I was told my first semester I had to wait until a few days before the start of classes. I didn't get any of the classes I needed, so I went some place else.

Original poster, what part of Florida are you in? I would look into a CC if you have a reputable one in your area.
 
OP,

I'm taking classes at a CC. Ad-com from USF told me that I'd be considered "less competitive." I looked into taking classes from a university that's about a 90 minute commute away. That uni has the first 3 weeks of registration for returning students, the next two weeks for new students, and what's left over is for non-degree-seeking. I've been admitted as a second-degree seeking student, but it didn't do any good. I can't apply for classes until next week, and physics II is already closed... Taking my other classes stretched between there and my local CC would be impossible (I work 3.5 days/wk), so I'll have another semester at the "less competitive" CC.

I sure hope I can get into the uni's OChem I during the summer before it closes :scared:
 
I'm taking classes at a CC. Ad-com from USF told me that I'd be considered "less competitive."

I think it also depends on the CC. I decided to go to St. Petersburg College which is now an accredited 4-year school. UF still thinks of it as a CC, but USF told me it was fine.

I think that adcoms understand that nontraditionals aren't your typical college students and that sometimes finances, families, and jobs require us to go some place other than one of the state universities. The way I understand it, the "no CC" rule generally applies to those who are students at one school and take things like Organic Chemistry at the CC over the summer to avoid taking it at their own school. From what I've heard from the people I've talked to at the various FL medical schools, they're more accepting of nontraditionals who've been out of school for some time attending CCs. But I think the OP should call around to make sure. I don't want to lead you astray by sharing my own experience as fact.
 
I think it also depends on the CC. I decided to go to St. Petersburg College which is now an accredited 4-year school. UF still thinks of it as a CC, but USF told me it was fine.

I think that adcoms understand that nontraditionals aren't your typical college students and that sometimes finances, families, and jobs require us to go some place other than one of the state universities. The way I understand it, the "no CC" rule generally applies to those who are students at one school and take things like Organic Chemistry at the CC over the summer to avoid taking it at their own school. From what I've heard from the people I've talked to at the various FL medical schools, they're more accepting of nontraditionals who've been out of school for some time attending CCs. But I think the OP should call around to make sure. I don't want to lead you astray by sharing my own experience as fact.

Revilla,
I do realize we non-trads have different needs. I was very clear about the following with Mr. Fayson:
- I'm a nontrad
- I already have a university degree
- The nearest university is 90 minutes away, and I have my job & family here
- I'm just taking pre-req's
- This college used to be a CC but now grants some 4 yr degrees and is now a 'college'
After all that, I was told "less competitive."

FWIW, Mr. Larkin of the soon-to-be UCF also encouraged me to get university credits ASAP.

I am unable to take university classes now, so the college will have to do. I'll have to find other ways to become "more competitive." But, I suggest the OP take university classes if able.
 
Revilla,
I do realize we non-trads have different needs. I was very clear about the following with Mr. Fayson:
- I'm a nontrad
- I already have a university degree
- The nearest university is 90 minutes away, and I have my job & family here
- I'm just taking pre-req's
- This college used to be a CC but now grants some 4 yr degrees and is now a 'college'
After all that, I was told "less competitive."

FWIW, Mr. Larkin of the soon-to-be UCF also encouraged me to get university credits ASAP.

I am unable to take university classes now, so the college will have to do. I'll have to find other ways to become "more competitive." But, I suggest the OP take university classes if able.

Are you at SPC too, AKN? I think SPC is gaining some respect, slowly but surely. I've accepted that it may not be ideal for some schools, but I'm hoping to get a high MCAT to try to make up for that.
 
Are you at SPC too, AKN? I think SPC is gaining some respect, slowly but surely. I've accepted that it may not be ideal for some schools, but I'm hoping to get a high MCAT and make up for that.

Nope, I'm way over in the panhandle (which explains the lack of universities :laugh:).
 
Nope, I'm way over in the panhandle (which explains the lack of universities :laugh:).

Oh, okay. I wasn't sure because of the "used to be a CC but is now a 4-year" line. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck! Hopefully, adcoms will be more understanding of both of our situations.
 
Oh, okay. I wasn't sure because of the "used to be a CC but is now a 4-year" line. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck! Hopefully, adcoms will be more understanding of both of our situations.
:luck::luck::luck:
 
Thanks to all for the much needed advice. I just applied to a local university this morning as an undergrad going for a 2nd bachelors. wish me luck! I may even have to apply to some other local universities just to be able to take evening classes (someone's gotta pay for the courses).
To answer the previous questions, I'm down in south Florida where there are plenty of universities (fiu, nova, um, fau, barry) and good ccs (miami dade, broward cc) around. They just don't offer the most convenient of hours for the working folk. I may have to go the piece-meal approach afterall and spend the bucks on applying to several different univs. Oh I have a feeling this is but the first of many many tests of perseverance to come 🙂
 
Just wondering if anyone else has had as much trouble as I have just trying to enroll for post-bac classes?
I had the same problems virtually every semester of my informal post-bac. I don't know how computer savvy you are, but I solved my problems with a few windows batch files. As long as you can check course enrollment online, you can automate the process of refreshing the webpage, checking if the course is open, then alerting you some how (mine played an mp3). Let it rip during the add/drop period and wait. Sometimes I was alerted at 4am when some young whipper snapper dropped a class, but I always (eventually) got the courses I wanted.
 
I had the same problems virtually every semester of my informal post-bac. I don't know how computer savvy you are, but I solved my problems with a few windows batch files. As long as you can check course enrollment online, you can automate the process of refreshing the webpage, checking if the course is open, then alerting you some how (mine played an mp3). Let it rip during the add/drop period and wait. Sometimes I was alerted at 4am when some young whipper snapper dropped a class, but I always (eventually) got the courses I wanted.
Hahaha! That's brilliant.

I'm kind of in a similar postion. I did my BS in Mech Eng at UF, am taking chem II at SFCC and just had an amazing job offer in Jacksonville designing surgical equipment. I'm trying to get into UNF's post back for this summer so I can take my year of organic chem and a semester of Bio. I hope having one of my prereqs at a CC won't destory my application.

Does anyone know anything about UNF? How it ranks in the FL school system. I don't think it's a CC or anything and seems like a pretty good school (especially with the Mayo Clinic affliations).
 
After this discussion, I'm trying to reach the Florida medical schools for their opinion of CC credits. LECOM said I should take at least some of the prereqs at a 4 year college. Since my CC has dropped a C from its name, I hope it counts.

I like the idea of continuously pounding the university's registration. Problem for me is the Physics class is at 11 Tuesday/Thursday. Chemistry is MWF at 9, with lab one afternoon. It is absolutely impossible to do that and work (my home and job are 90 minutes from the university). I have to feed/house my kids; I can't quit my job 🙁
 
I'm trying to get into UNF's post back for this summer so I can take my year of organic chem and a semester of Bio. I hope having one of my prereqs at a CC won't destory my application.

I'm trying to find info on UNF's post bacc that you refer to above. Is it formal or informal? Can you really take all those classes over the summer 😱 I cannot find anything on their web site, other than classes they had last summer (where you had to take OChem I or OChem II). Missing lots of work to study 90 minutes away for an entire semester would be difficult, but I could take a leave of absence for a couple months. I'd love to dedicate my summer to OChem and be done 😀
 
LECOM said I should take at least some of the prereqs at a 4 year college. Since my CC has dropped a C from its name, I hope it counts.

I have a friend who took all his pre-reqs at HCC and just got accepted to LECOM.

If your CC is no longer a CC what's the problem? Can you take upper level courses there too to show that it's not a CC?
 
I'm trying to find info on UNF's post bacc that you refer to above. Is it formal or informal? Can you really take all those classes over the summer 😱 I cannot find anything on their web site, other than classes they had last summer (where you had to take OChem I or OChem II). Missing lots of work to study 90 minutes away for an entire semester would be difficult, but I could take a leave of absence for a couple months. I'd love to dedicate my summer to OChem and be done 😀
UNF's post bac: http://www.unf.edu/dept/premed/
This is a formal program for career changers or people who didn't major in science. It gives students the opportunities to take their prereqs and also to take some more advanced, and even graduate classes at the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville. The program does provide a committee letter which is also nice. My main reason for trying to get in is that members get very high priority on classes they're trying to take.

If you click on the link to UNF courses on http://www.unf.edu/dept/premed/, you can see how the classes are setup and when they usually are. The only negatives I see in the program is that it's not super well known school outside FL and the classes aren't offered in the evening/weekends. Fortunately for me, my employer in Jacksonville where I plan on workikng is very supportive on continuing education.
 
I have a friend who took all his pre-reqs at HCC and just got accepted to LECOM.

If your CC is no longer a CC what's the problem? Can you take upper level courses there too to show that it's not a CC?

That's good to know LECOM took someone a CC. Thanks 🙂

My college only has two BS degrees - nursing & acquisitions. I know I can't take any of the upper level nursing classes, but perhaps I can squeeze in an upper-level acq class... Thanks for the idea 👍
 
Actually my plan at this point is to get all of my prereqs done at my CC, and then go for upper level classes at the university. I find that it is the prereqs that are the hardest to get into. At least I know that for Organic Chemistry which I will be taking in Spring, I can take the lab at the same time. In the Uni setting, the chances that you can take both the lecture and lab in the same semester are slim to null, because although they may have lectures that seat a couple hundred, they may only have labs that seat 75 (if!).
 
UNF's post bac: http://www.unf.edu/dept/premed/
This is a formal program for career changers or people who didn't major in science. It gives students the opportunities to take their prereqs and also to take some more advanced, and even graduate classes at the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville. The program does provide a committee letter which is also nice. My main reason for trying to get in is that members get very high priority on classes they're trying to take.

If you click on the link to UNF courses on http://www.unf.edu/dept/premed/, you can see how the classes are setup and when they usually are. The only negatives I see in the program is that it's not super well known school outside FL and the classes aren't offered in the evening/weekends. Fortunately for me, my employer in Jacksonville where I plan on workikng is very supportive on continuing education.

The UNF Post-Bacc website is outdated. Unfortunately, the Post-Bacc program does not have shadowing contacts in place with practicing physicians and access to Mayo graduate courses has not been available for at least a year.

The structure of the program itself is pretty loose. It basically involves your general prerequisites and then you can elect to take any additional science course that interest you. Some courses are offered during the evenings, and usually some lab sections as well. Upon completion of 30 hours, you're given a certificate of completion/committee letter; although people often wait until the very end to receive the cert if they want the raise their BCPM a little more. I'm currently at 45 hours of post-bacc coursework and won't submit for my cert until the very end because I want it to reflect the highest GPA possible.

I'm a post-bacc at UNF and of all of the other post-baccs I know, none are officially enrolled in the certificate program and all are just doing it informally. One student in my Organic lecture submitted his application for the program and never heard back, even after talking to the professor in charge several times.

The problem the program faces now is a lack of involvement from the top down. Dr. Bowman, the professor who instituted the formal program stepped down as the coordinator and sponsor for it because the university didn't want him to have the responsibility of the post-bacc program and the new Environmental Chemistry center to deal with. The new sponsor seems to have too many other things going on, so nothing really gets done.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the only real benefit to the post-bacc program is priority registration.

THAT WILL CHANGE, however. I'm currently getting the paperwork in order for creating the University of North Florida Post-Baccalaureate Pre-Medical Society. Here is a quick list of some of the objectives that the society will be focusing on.

  • Working with area hospitals and physicians to provide shadowing experience and research opportunities to students in the program; although we will most likely extend this to undergraduate premeds as well.
  • Advising services. Post-baccs have a severe lack of counseling resources as it stands now. The pre-med society officers are all undergrads, so none of them are really familiar with the needs of post-bacc students.
  • We'd really like to work on re-establishing those contacts with Mayo for graduate course access. Fortunately, I know some of the people in the graduate school admissions office at Mayo, and have been working on getting information on how the program worked before. I'm hoping that by sometime next semester, Dr. Lentz (the current post-bacc program supervisor) and I can get a proposal together and start talking to the graduate school at Mayo.
  • Fix the administration bottleneck. The undergrad pre-meds don't touch the post-bacc stuff, so it all falls onto Dr. Lentz's lap. Society officers will be required to hold office hours during which administrative details can be processed. This will improve the application process for the program and with the other objectives, hopefully encourage people to apply to the program. Of course, the more people involved in the program, the better, since it gives us more leverage when proposing further improvements.
I'm very happy here at UNF. The chemistry, physics, and biology departments are excellent. The Chem/Phys building is only 2 or 3 years old and has very good labs. All of the professors I've had have been excellent, the best that I've had during my college career. President Delaney has been making a lot of improvements to the school and they're currently constructing a new wing of the Health Sciences building and breaking ground on the new student union.

If you've got any specific questions about UNF, send me a PM or reply and I'll get you an answer.
 
Just wondering if anyone else has had as much trouble as I have just trying to enroll for post-bac classes? I'm officially a non-degree seeking student at a local state college and my chances of being able to take the courses I need (organic chemistry, genetics, etc...) seem bleeker by the day given the fact that I'm not eligible to register till 2 days before classes begin. One of the classes I wanted to take has already reached full capacity and is closed for the Spring semester. I'm really trying to stick to the state school route since I'd only have to cough up 150 bucks a credit vs. the 500 bucks a credit at the local private univ.
Any suggestions, thoughts or advice would be appreciated. How have other non-trads handled this dilemma or is this a Florida thing? Thanks in advance!

Declare a major (any major will do) and take your classes as if you were pursuing that major. Just because you declare a major, it doesn't mean that you are locked into that major or completing another degree. You may end up filling out paperwork or going through an advising session or two but you won't be stuck as the last person to register.
 
FWIW, I just got into Miami. I took Chem II, Orgo I & II, and Bio II at St. Petersburg College. Not a CC anymore, and I think the education was great (maybe I was lucky), but it still wasn't the most respected place to get the classes in. No word from USF so far. I had no questions/doubts about my education at my Miami interviews. If you go this route, it helps to have a rigorous undergrad education (mine was engineering at Georgia Tech) to prove you can handle it.
 
That isn't always true. I applied for a second degree at USF and when it came time to register, I was told my first semester I had to wait until a few days before the start of classes. I didn't get any of the classes I needed, so I went some place else.

Original poster, what part of Florida are you in? I would look into a CC if you have a reputable one in your area.


at USF your first semester you don't get priority registration when you're coming back for you second degree. But every semester after the initial one you get first dibbs! 👍
 
while i have no experience with florida schools, i know my undergrad and even my grad school allowed people to register for classes that were cloased as long as yo uhad instructors permission to do so. granted this was generally easier for those classes that did not have a lab than those who did, but some classes that had a lab would allow registration if they knew they were going to have a dropout after the first exam (ie my micro class which significantly dwindled after the first exam and she allowed about 4 or 5 people in after the class was "closed").
when all esle fails, it never hurts to show up the first day in the classroom with your permission to enter a closed class card and try to get in. at worse you've wasted an hour of your time, at best you will be in the class.

good luck and best wishes!!
 
I've never ever not gotten into a class that I wanted to be in - professors are INCREDIBLY willing to let you take classes if you want to take them - heck, I even took a couple of 1st yr PharmD classes as electives when I was in undergrad 'cus I wanted to check out if PharmD was something that I could do.

Especially sophmore level chem/physics/math classes aren't bad at all to try to get into 'cus professors KNOW that by midterms, about 15% of the class has dropped. You'll be fine if you go & visit the profs.
 
Just wondering if anyone else has had as much trouble as I have just trying to enroll for post-bac classes? I'm officially a non-degree seeking student at a local state college and my chances of being able to take the courses I need (organic chemistry, genetics, etc...) seem bleeker by the day given the fact that I'm not eligible to register till 2 days before classes begin. One of the classes I wanted to take has already reached full capacity and is closed for the Spring semester. I'm really trying to stick to the state school route since I'd only have to cough up 150 bucks a credit vs. the 500 bucks a credit at the local private univ.
Any suggestions, thoughts or advice would be appreciated. How have other non-trads handled this dilemma or is this a Florida thing? Thanks in advance!

Yep.. Been through the same thing... Ok here's the deal.. Until you get them to lift that "designation" ( Non Matric) which should be the first thing you should be doing once you get into your first class.

You need to go directly to the Instructors themselves. Most of the time they can sign a piece of paper that will allow you to go to a department head or the Registrar directly and get you into the class.

Once you start your classes.. go to the Admissions department and complete an official App and declare a major ( Bio or Chem seem to work) but it can be Landscape Architecture so long as you are Matric.... then you never have the problem again...

But like I said.. find out who is teaching and go DIRECTLY to the teacher.

Hope this helps.
 
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