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Hi guys,

I just wanted to start up a thread for those of us who have been accepted into the Flinders BMBS or MD program (subject to approval this year) for class of 2013.
I found very helpful information posted by Rayjay, Canuck455, cosycatus etc. last year in the following thread

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=842578

In the thread that Rayjay mentioned "However as Canuck mentioned they have the longest running GEMP program (first one of it's kind in Aus) in Australia and used* to have partnerships with Columbia (NYC, not the country) for electives. " I'm not sure if Flinders still has partnerships with Columbia or any US med schools for electives. I didn't find relevant information on the school website. Since the internship situation might get worse in the future, I'm thinking about the option of coming back to the US for practice.

I'll see you guys in Feb. 2013. Very excited. 🙂

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Glad to hear it, looking forward to meeting you
 
The village is kind of hit or miss. Here are pros and cons (I'm sure some of the other internationals, if they are procrastinating like I am right now) may have more info. I lived in the village until the end of first semester and now moved out.

Pro
- On campus...it's really nice leaving your house 5min before PBL or a clinical skills session and being on time
- On campus...it's really nice to be able to leave the library and only take 5min to get home
- Community centre in the village is pretty nice, Foxtel satellite, foosball table, various board games and a huge projector TV that you can plug your HDMI cable into and watch movies (or in my case connect your PS3). Foxtel is nice if you watch any european soccer as well since the Australian time difference is horrendous
- Camaraderie. There will invariably be many international med students living in the village and as you will notice in orientation, you guys tend to band together for the first few weeks till you branch out. It just happens, you all have something in common, especially the Canadians since there were so many. You'll meet them and it'll be nice to walk home with people or just chill.

Cons
- pay for laundry ($2/load for wash and $2 for dryer...although it's $4 per load off campus so I guess that's good)
- Pay for internet. This is what I hate. $40 for 30gb, $60 for 50gb, $20 for 10gb. The internet also is not very fast, but then again get used to it. Australia still uses ADSL2+ and it is literally the biggest nightmare trying to get it set up in a private residence. Get used to crap customer service also.
- Weekly inspections. If you have ever lived on your own before this is insulting. Weekly inspections and you are assigned a chore e.g. cleaning kitchen, bathrooms or common spaces. If you don't have your area clean by inspection day, you get a warning, then incremental fines. Could be $5, could be $50. Not entirely sure what the village is charging for, the cleaning ladies do very little given the filthy state of the laundry rooms and the fact that we are meant to clean our own places...
- Housemates. I was not lucky here, very few other internationals I know were either. Traditionally, campus housing (for most N. American unis) has been undergrads in one housing complex, mature-age/professional/graduate students in another. I had a freshmen, a sophomore, a junior and an american graduate student. Two had never lived alone before...not great when you are studying in a stressful program, far from home and have to put up with the usual BS that comes with a young undergrad. Most internationals I know have one or two housemates they like and don't get along with the others.
- You never get away from uni. You study there, eat there, sleep there, party (sometimes) there. Flinders is quite isolated from the rest of the city (which is a pro in terms of studying more) so sometimes you just feel like you need a break.
- Units versus townhouses - this is a pro and a con. I was originally in the townhouses but complained because they were dated, small, all the floors creaked and my desk had room for a laptop, printer...and nothing more. For what you are paying, I expected more. The units were much nicer, massive desk space (way way way more than you'll need) but you get up to three more housemates (I had 5 in my unit) and it can get cramped. The townhouses have a more "homey" feel to them but are dated, the units are new but lots of people.


In terms of study the village (townhouses or units) are fine. The doors are relatively soundproof in the units so I rarely heard my housemates, even when they were having a party. The plus is you are very close to the library (if you take the dirt path rather than the legit way to the hospital), about a 5min walk (10min while you get used to climbing the hill).

So far really enjoying Flinders. Adelaide is a very sleepy city. Things here close at 5pm (not joking) except for Thursday nights which is late night shopping day (also dead serious on that one...I thought it was a joke too before I moved here). The nightlife also isn't the same as a big city like Sydney or Melbourne. It will be a big change coming from North America. That being said, it's a mixed blessing. I study much more than I would have if I were at Melbourne Uni. I visited Melbourne over the break and absolutely fell in love with the city...but that would have been my downfall. There is so much to do. Adelaide does however have almost unlimited coastline so beaches are not rare and are not absurdly packed on a hot day.

Any other questions shoot me a PM. There are a few others internationals on here that I know and we can give you some advice.
 
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Thanks a lot for taking your time writing this, Rayjay! There are a lot of valuable information.
- I thought unlimited internet plan can be set up upon request as mentioned in the thread last year. The internet situation sounds really terrible with limited and slow traffic.
- Weekly inspections.... During my undergrad, there are weekly housekeeping and the rooms are cleaned by housekeepers. But here the weekly inspection is to charge the residents for money...WTH.. I guess I'll have to get used to it.
- Stores close at 5pm? Wow. I guess this will force me to focus more on my study then.
- I found living in the unit more attractive now. When you lived in the unit, is it like you guys share a common study room but each gets a single bedroom?
- I thought about living off-campus. Maybe living on campus for one semester is good for me as I can take the time looking for roommates and find a good house.

Looking forward to meeting you. 😉
 
not that it really matters if stores close at 5pm because there isn't ,many around flinders to begin with! Your groceries giants coles/woolies and anything u want to buy in terms of durables from Kmart/Big W are all open till 9pm daily except weekend.

Housemate at DJ village is a big issue. Nearly every classmate of mine had some issue...from not washing cutlery to being noisy at night etc. One way is to move off campus after 1 semester into a 2 bedroom town house with someone u know and can live with , or if u are lucky find a granny flat someone alone...which brings me to my experience off campus.
Well, it's a hit and miss affair. Basically, google for flinders private accomodation and you can come up with a flinders link with houses there. So far i am happy with my place. Basically, i avoid the place if

1. the landlord is staying with u. Not good. You only have your room to yourself. No kitchen, no TV, no living room.

2. if the landlord is china chinese. Somehow they tend to make bad landlords .Real experience.

3. If the place has short term rental. Pple move in every now and then. Messy, higher chance to get bad roomies. 1 year rental contract might be more expensive ( when u go home for holids, it's dead rent) but you tend to get more stable kind of roomies where if there's any difference, you can also work it out better. There are a lot of language students at flinders from all over the world. Messy characters, some of them and act as if the world owes them a living.

It's generally cheaper. Most places throw in a broadband . Rent shouldn't exceed $150 per week. Maybe $160 if REALLY big cushy room. DJ village was $165/week last year, this year is $178/week. It will only increase next year.

And sometimes, u do really want to be NOT in school.
 
Thank you for the information, Cosycatus! I'll start looking and definitely go for off-campus housing now. I totally understand what you are saying. All my friends and I had really bad experience with Mexican landlords when we live off-campus in the States. And I'll probably sign the one-year contract. For the death rent period you mentioned, can't I sublease the house to others to make up my loss?
BTW, do you think owning a car is as necessary as in the NA?
 
I signed a full year contract and I regret it. I suggest you sign a 6 month one and then if you like it in the village, extend it (I doubt Flinders housing will turn down money). As for the car, it helps since Flinders is pretty far from the city and public transport around Flinders is terrible (buses not showing up). However, most of the internationals I know get around fine without a car.

I signed up for a semester, then decided I didn't like the village and moved out. It's certainly possible. You have to pay the semester surcharge though. You can sign a 1 year contract with the village and break your contract if you give them notice (I think it was around 6 weeks but it may be more so you'll want to check when you get here).

With respect to the car, I don't have one yet but you'll find that most of your friends have cars and you eventually lose your shame in asking for rides. I originally thought about buying a car, then I paid my tuition...and that plan went down the drain. It's convenient sure, and I agree the busses here are terrible, but they are cheap (around $1.50 per ride in peak hour, cheaper in off-peak...but you'll hardly use that with your schedule). Just keep in mind that you'll be paying nearly $53,000 for your year so a car, a the very expensive gas prices will add up.

It's generally cheaper. Most places throw in a broadband . Rent shouldn't exceed $150 per week. Maybe $160 if REALLY big cushy room. DJ village was $165/week last year, this year is $178/week. It will only increase next year.

True. I pay about $160 per week with internet and I live in a really nice place near Marion shopping centre, not too far from uni.

- I thought about living off-campus. Maybe living on campus for one semester is good for me as I can take the time looking for roommates and find a good house.

This was my plan and I couldn't be happier. You'll definitely make some good friends in first semester. You'll get tight with your PBL group and you'll branch out. I just happened to find two friends who were in the same boat as me (needed to move out at the end of the semester) and it worked out well. Lots of others have done the same, so I'd definitely suggest this. It kind of sucks because you never get a break from med when you live with them, but the benefits are huge: same schedules so I get rides to/from uni, can bounce ideas off each other when doing homework, can bitch about stupid assignments we get as part of our "cultural" component, etc.

Cosycactus (whoever you are) has some good advice there as well.
 
I signed a full year contract and I regret it. I suggest you sign a 6 month one and then if you like it in the village, extend it (I doubt Flinders housing will turn down money). As for the car, it helps since Flinders is pretty far from the city and public transport around Flinders is terrible (buses not showing up). However, most of the internationals I know get around fine without a car.

Thank you, Canuck455, for sharing your experience with me. I guess I'll stay in the village for one semester and see how it goes.

This was my plan and I couldn't be happier. You'll definitely make some good friends in first semester. You'll get tight with your PBL group and you'll branch out. I just happened to find two friends who were in the same boat as me (needed to move out at the end of the semester) and it worked out well. Lots of others have done the same, so I'd definitely suggest this. It kind of sucks because you never get a break from med when you live with them, but the benefits are huge: same schedules so I get rides to/from uni, can bounce ideas off each other when doing homework, can bitch about stupid assignments we get as part of our "cultural" component, etc.

Thank you, Rayjay. The camaraderie you highlight is indeed important. Thank you for pointing it out.

With respect to the car, I don't have one yet but you'll find that most of your friends have cars and you eventually lose your shame in asking for rides. I originally thought about buying a car, then I paid my tuition...and that plan went down the drain. It's convenient sure, and I agree the busses here are terrible, but they are cheap (around $1.50 per ride in peak hour, cheaper in off-peak...but you'll hardly use that with your schedule). Just keep in mind that you'll be paying nearly $53,000 for your year so a car, a the very expensive gas prices will add up.

I'm curious about the $53,000 fee you mentioned. Is it the fee you pay for tuition plus board and lodging? The tuition fee for 2012 intake is $46,600 and is supposed to be fixed for four years. But I feel $6,000+ is not enough for board and lodging. Or is the $53,000 the tuition fee for 2013 intake? If so, that is a big increase over the past year fee and may I ask where you get that information? I didn't find that information on the school website. Maybe because the school is still pending for the MD program. If the program is granted, the tuition fee will go up sharply for us. 🙁
 
I'm basing that off of what a friend of mine got in his acceptance letter. He applied for the early decision round and was sent the letter with the prices for tuition and OSHC.

You're correct, last year was approximately $46,000 and the year before was a little less.
I tried to upload a screenshot of the letter page but SDN has file dimension limits and I'm not sure how to get around them without uploading basically the tiniest fraction of the letter which is useless. Anyone knowing a way around that let me know...

As you say, the MD has not officially been announced, it's supposed to be sometime in late August.

Things could change, but at the moment for the sake of financial planning, this is what I've seen regarding price. I'm surprised that if you got accepted you weren't given this in your letter...
 
I'm hesitant to post anything concrete up here due to privacy and I don't want to spread false info in case it comes back to me somehow. But I'm literally looking at the letter right now and that is what it says for his 2013 intake.

PM me if you have specific questions about it.
 
Thanks, Rayjay. I just received the letter today. OMG! It's so EXPENSIVE this year. I don't think I'll be able to afford a car anymore. 🙁 And, the tuition fee is no longer fixed for four years! It's subject to an increase of 9% inflation each year. And the tuition fee will be about $70,000 for our final year! If the MD title is not granted, I should seriously consider whether or not I should go to Flinders now. The tuition fee is killing me.
 
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Thanks, Rayjay. I just received the letter today. OMG! It's so EXPENSIVE this year. I don't think I'll be able to afford a car anymore. 🙁 And, the tuition fee is no longer fixed for four years! It's subject to an increase of 9% inflation each year. And the tuition fee will be about $70,000 for our final year! If the MD title is not granted, I should seriously consider whether or not I should go to Flinders now. The tuition fee is killing me.

holy **** indeed! This school, finally like the rest, succumb to being too greedy. It's only selling point was that it's significantly cheaper than the next closest , UQ by 40K over 4 years prior to 2013. That difference isn't so great now. ( 10K) I'll rather go to UQ for the slightly better recognition and great lifestyle, but that's me.


The MD is approved already. No doubts about it, unless the goverment pulls a fast one on this, which is not likely, since western aus, syd are all moving to MD as well. BUT, essentially, there isn't any difference in the course. infact, in aus, the clinicans are more likely to snigger at a MD earned through coursework, since most of them earn theirs through research.

Addition info is that, well, the clinical years will see big changes . I'm rising 3rd ( if i pass my exams which just ended yesterday) and there is a shift away from specialist rotations.
About half our batch will do some sort of community based learning in our clinical years;

1. rural -> being attached to a small country hospital for your entire year and learning from GP surgeons, GP anesthetist, GP obs/gyn etc) and any visiting specialist. Typically only 1 spot per international per rural area ( about 5 areas)

2. half rural, half specialist rotation -> at a not so small hospital some 40KM from FMC , half the year specilaist rotation, half a year community based learning from GP.

3. The other half of the cohort is based at FMC and that is where the changes are going to be. In my year, they are experimenting with the so call LIFT program ( longitudinal parallel learning something) for 10 of us copied from Harvard medical school. Instead of being assigned to department for specialist rotations, u are assigned to patients and u follow their course of treatment, surgery, medical, consults etc. If there is good result in our year, from the presentation, they are saying that they will extend this program to all FMC students ( essentially doing away with specialist rotations it seems)

If u google and read around, the results in harvard is exceptionally good , but face it, there is significant difference between the quality of students at harvard and flinders as well as the level of execution between these 2 schools which are at quite extreme ends of the spectrum. They also do it for different reason at harvard ( about putting the human touch back into learning medicine, rather than , oh, that gallstone in operating theatre 5). How it goes is anyone guess,

( personally, i really like some of the community learning they have, esp the half community, half specialist rotation, but i got to work to earn my keep and hence can't relocate to somewhere 50+km from city or take up the rural program)

Just some extra info, not trying to sway your views or anything.

And something to keep in mind, so far ( but things might change), flinders is the only school that doesn't have exams in the 4th year. If you pass the 3rd year final exams, u have essentially graduated. There's a nice 3 mths block at the end of the second year called transition to clinical practice without any exams, 5 mths if u add in the holidays. All this means is that if u want to attempt the USMLEs, second year last 3-5 months is a good period to study for ur step 1 and smash it. Slog for your 3rd year, ace it, do your step 2 part 1, couple of mths after your 3 year final exams where everything is still fresh. And for forth year, u can do ur 6 mths away rotations in the US without the worry of final exams behind ur head and do ur step 2 practical while there ( only 5 examination venus in the US for ur step2 CK )
 
cosycatus - thanks for posting. are there any other regards you might choose uq over flinders? I've been offered both and both are quite similar so I can't decide. Anything you dislike about flinders?

What I heard about UQ is that they have a "spiral curriculum" i.e they revisit what has been taught, whereas someone in Flinders told me they kinda learn about something and find that they almost never go back to it. Any views on this?

Appreciate your help. Thanks!
 
The MD is approved already. No doubts about it, unless the goverment pulls a fast one on this, which is not likely, since western aus, syd are all moving to MD as well. BUT, essentially, there isn't any difference in the course. infact, in aus, the clinicans are more likely to snigger at a MD earned through coursework, since most of them earn theirs through research.

Thanks for reminding me this. Yeah, I saw MD update on the FMSS website that the coursework will be the same for the 2013 intake as for the previous year. A research component might be integrated for MD students during the four years study, but it's not like University of Melbourne, where students spend an extra semester doing research. MD is more highly regarded in countries outside Australia.

Addition info is that, well, the clinical years will see big changes . I'm rising 3rd ( if i pass my exams which just ended yesterday) and there is a shift away from specialist rotations.
About half our batch will do some sort of community based learning in our clinical years;

1. rural -> being attached to a small country hospital for your entire year and learning from GP surgeons, GP anesthetist, GP obs/gyn etc) and any visiting specialist. Typically only 1 spot per international per rural area ( about 5 areas)

2. half rural, half specialist rotation -> at a not so small hospital some 40KM from FMC , half the year specilaist rotation, half a year community based learning from GP.

3. The other half of the cohort is based at FMC and that is where the changes are going to be. In my year, they are experimenting with the so call LIFT program ( longitudinal parallel learning something) for 10 of us copied from Harvard medical school. Instead of being assigned to department for specialist rotations, u are assigned to patients and u follow their course of treatment, surgery, medical, consults etc. If there is good result in our year, from the presentation, they are saying that they will extend this program to all FMC students ( essentially doing away with specialist rotations it seems)

If u google and read around, the results in harvard is exceptionally good , but face it, there is significant difference between the quality of students at harvard and flinders as well as the level of execution between these 2 schools which are at quite extreme ends of the spectrum. They also do it for different reason at harvard ( about putting the human touch back into learning medicine, rather than , oh, that gallstone in operating theatre 5). How it goes is anyone guess,

( personally, i really like some of the community learning they have, esp the half community, half specialist rotation, but i got to work to earn my keep and hence can't relocate to somewhere 50+km from city or take up the rural program)

Just some extra info, not trying to sway your views or anything.

And something to keep in mind, so far ( but things might change), flinders is the only school that doesn't have exams in the 4th year. If you pass the 3rd year final exams, u have essentially graduated. There's a nice 3 mths block at the end of the second year called transition to clinical practice without any exams, 5 mths if u add in the holidays. All this means is that if u want to attempt the USMLEs, second year last 3-5 months is a good period to study for ur step 1 and smash it. Slog for your 3rd year, ace it, do your step 2 part 1, couple of mths after your 3 year final exams where everything is still fresh. And for forth year, u can do ur 6 mths away rotations in the US without the worry of final exams behind ur head and do ur step 2 practical while there ( only 5 examination venus in the US for ur step2 CK )

Good luck on your exam! The half rural, half specialist rotation you mentioned really interests me. I'll see which program fits me better as I gather more info on this. But right now, my biggest concern is to choose the best school for my next four years study. I emailed the admission team with some questions regarding to the tuition fee being so expensive this year. Hopefully they can give me a good reason for increasing the total tuition fee 32% more than that of 2012 intake, while the coursework is essentially the same.
Thanks for letting me know the free time I can get to study for USMLE. This is indeed very important to me as I'm a little worried not having enough time to prepare for USMLE. Are there many internationals in the cohort taking USMLE in Flinders? Maybe a study group would be helpful 🙂
 
Congrats to all of the incoming class to the Flinders Medical School. I'm a graduate of the medical school and currently a resident in the US. I know that when I was in your shoes I had a ton of questions and no one to answer them. It can make the process even more stressful.

If there are any unresolved questions in regards to the medical school, Adelaide, preparation for the USMLE, obtaining a residency in the US, etc., post them and I'll try to do my best to help you out. However, I am still a resident and working 80hrs/wk, so I may not be able to get back to you extremely promptly, but I'll do my best.

Good luck
 
When I was faced with the UQ vs Flinders decision here's how I solved it (and ended up at Flinders):

1. UQ is more expensive (not anymore, or marginally so)

2. Adelaide is cheap-er (not sure how true that may or may not be, but that seems to be the consensus among my friends from Brisbane

3. Flinders class size is 150 vs UQ which is 400+. That to me was almost one of the biggest factors. 400 is larger than any medical school in Canada, even the biggest ones. I can confidently say I know almost all the people in my class and it's only second semester. I'm not best friends with them, but I know almost every one of them by name.

4. South Australia is good with internships...I'm paraphrasing of course (this may not be the case anymore, but as of my decision last year it was and UQ, NSW and VIC were horrible for it. VIC has recently made a HUGE leap forward for internationals in internship priority, see other threads)

5. The quality of education is the same regardless of the school you choose. This was based on speaking with a few specialists who were at a conference my uncle attended and spoke with them, both were from Australia, one from USyd and one from Melb. They BOTH said that it didn't really matter which school you graduated from, they are all equally good in teaching but the bigger names will be better for research if that is your goal. It's like Canada. If you graduated from UofC vs. McMaster, no one is looking down on you...you got into a Canadian medical school, that was hard enough!

6. After having spent time in ADL now, I like it. It's a small "city", dont get me wrong. If you are coming from a bustling metropolitan you may not love it. But it's quiet enough that I'm not tempted to go into the city and party (because that hardly exists) and as a result I save valuable money (and you'll understand that when you pay tuition and get used to absurd Australian prices) and I study a lot more. Rent is comparable with a cheaper big city in Canada so that helps. Internet here is a joke, but you can't do anything about that, and it's nationwide, not just Adelaide.
 
5. The quality of education is the same regardless of the school you choose. This was based on speaking with a few specialists who were at a conference my uncle attended and spoke with them, both were from Australia, one from USyd and one from Melb.

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you do realize that they can't really say anything bad about other schools; esp considering they didn't study at flinders. It's also very un-Australian to criticize.

My frank review is that flinders first year leaves me a lot to desire. In first year,

1. Pathology/histology/cancer sci was very badly taught during year 1. Probably all thanks to one pathologist who was a bad teacher/lecturer. I went through year 1 not knowing even basic stuff ( it's also partly my own fault for not following up on what i do not know, but i think a very basic framework needs to be given at the VERY least for student to follow. You dun just go through histology slides from day 1 as though u are going through with pathology registrars. Ditto for pathology.)

2. There is also the problem of badly arranged lectures/practicals. You can start on a new block on Tuesday, and the very next morning, you get pulled into a very difficult pathology session while you are still coming to grips with terms like tachycardia and the pathologist is talking about recognizing tetralogy of fallot congenital heart conditions.

Some of the worse lecturers ( and some of the best) happen in year 1. There will be the old professors who give off lectures off the cuff , not even realizing what was on their slide prepared from years ago. In one instance, for microbiology, in 1 hour, we were lectured on the entire spectrum of anti-biotics, which as my pharmacist friend remark dryly that " it took us about 1 year to cover all that in our undergrad pharma class"

Year 2 was a lot better. Partly due to a a more hardworking/renlentless topic coordinator and i relearn my entire histology /cancer sci under her.
There is also cadaver dissection, (which isn't fun, and gets really draggy towards the end but i do think it's a very important part of learning) where u can to cut out a liver, hold it in your hands, poke ur holes through all the heart chambers, going "oooo" when u realize how mesentries holding the intestine actually work and how veins, arteries nerves actually run. Things u can't really learn from pictures, models. You have to basically toil over the cadaver for hours on end before u realize that's how it all is.


Fact is, if flinders and UQ are the same price. It's UQ for me. At 10K less, it's a tough choice, given that 10K is a year worth of living expenses ( at least for me).

Also, prices in Aust isn't that bad if you know how to shop and stretch your dollar. On your first arrival, u will be shocked at prices of eating out , coke ( $3.5 a bottle), Mac meal at $8. But raw material is cheap. I get porterhouse beef at $9 per kg and there are always specials where stuff goes for half price and i just stock up ( eg campbells soup at $1 per can instead of $2, 5kg jasmine rice at $6.5 instead of $13) and going to grocers 1 hour before closing time, u pick up confectionery/roast chicken at half price...
At flinders, first 2 year is also quite slack, so it' possible to work.
 
you do realize that they can't really say anything bad about other schools; esp considering they didn't study at flinders. It's also very un-Australian to criticize.

It's possible to have a frank discussion off the record about your opinions with friends/colleagues; since they all knew each other very well and have for years, I'm sure that was the case. I'm not saying these are hard facts, but you haven't really provided a sound rebuttal with "un-Australian". It should be "un-Australian" to dislike Vegemite, but my two housemates hate it.

It sounds like you've had a crappy experience, that sucks. These prospective students are asking for objective reasoning here and your responses thus far have been caked with bias. How do you know what it's like at a school where there are 400+ students (UQ)? Every school from USyd to Bond is going to have pros and cons, Flinders is no exception. I have my gripes with the school as much as the next person, but you work around it.
 
It's possible to have a frank discussion off the record about your opinions with friends/colleagues; since they all knew each other very well and have for years, I'm sure that was the case. I'm not saying these are hard facts, but you haven't really provided a sound rebuttal with "un-Australian". It should be "un-Australian" to dislike Vegemite, but my two housemates hate it.

It sounds like you've had a crappy experience, that sucks. These prospective students are asking for objective reasoning here and your responses thus far have been caked with bias. How do you know what it's like at a school where there are 400+ students (UQ)? Every school from USyd to Bond is going to have pros and cons, Flinders is no exception. I have my gripes with the school as much as the next person, but you work around it.

Biased? It's a frank review of flinders. I'm biased if i bashed UQ just because it has 400 student without actually studying there.
Besides, the international cohort at flinders will increase to 50+ places for 2013. For a small medical school, i say we are stretching it at 170-180 pple. Internship will also be an issue. For a small city of 1Million population and 3 hospital u can intern in, i say that's pretty tight ( considering Uni Adelaide that puts out 200 students a year) My seniors graduating this year already have to go to Queen Elizabeth in the far north for their intern position ( and he's a guy who is top 5 in the cohort)

My experience isn't really crappy. I tend to make the best of what i have. What i am doing here is giving a frank review.

And again, how can a clinician many years out of school, make an accurate comment on the curriculum of another medical school which he didn't graduate from nor contribute to the teaching. If I am in his shoes, unless Flinders had a REALLY bad reputation of producing doctors who kills, all i am gonna say , is , "it's a fine school" , "yea, they are ok" kind of comment.
 
1. Not entirely sure where along the way I "bashed" UQ for having 400 students, I merely said that was a deciding factor in my decision making. I have friends there who love it; class size was an issue for me. I chose otherwise, big deal.

2. Your friend could have been the best graduate from Flinders, but you and I both know very well that internship is a lottery system and has nothing to do with it, especially if he is international. That's a sad fact of the system nationwide, it has nothing to do with SA specifically. For the record, Queen Liz is only a 25min drive from Flinders Medical. Also, as of this writing, all international graduates from SA matched into intern spots, confirmed by AMA President last night. So I'm sorry, that's hardly a reason to be upset.

3. By your logic, none of us should be able to comment on anything here since no one has graduated from two medical schools in the same country. Whoever said anything about an "accurate" comment. They were asked for their opinion on a school, they gave it. You're right though, I guess it is absolutely impossible for a consultant in one part of the Australia to ever come into contact with interns who graduated from a different medical school than them and develop an opinion of said school based on job performance. Australia is a HUGE country after all.

4. 50+ places for international quota in 2013? Was that a fact or an opinion? Last I heard that number wasn't changing...and according to the Flinders MD brochure, there are only 30 places (in 2013).
http://www.flinders.edu.au/courses_and_programs_files/documents/brochures2013/MEDICINE.pdf
(pg 12)


5. OP specifically said "I should seriously consider whether or not I go to Flinders now". Consider implies she/he needs to evaluate other options. I was helping with that based on how I myself came to the decision that brought me here. It's an OPINION. But hey, if opinions are facts now, then I concede.
 
Thank you, Rayjay and Cosycatus. You both provided very helpful advice and insights from different perspectives in helping me weighing pros and cons of Flinders Medical program.
I'm going to Flinders. I also got an interview offer from ANU and an offer from UQ. ANU and UQ both offer great medical programs. But I feel Flinders is better for me. No one can be certain about the future internship situation in SA. And I'll have several backup plans, including coming back to US to practice. I'm not too worried about the internship situation right now. If I work hard enough and do well in med school, there will be a way to become a good physician somewhere in the world. But it's good to know all international students are matched to intern spots this year. Thanks for your input guys.
 
Cheers man, good luck to you and look forward to seeing you next year! May even be your 2nd year mentor-buddy 😉
 
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