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[dsherida]

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Does anyone know much about the florida schools and their opinions as to applying from out of state? It looked like Miami was taking more out-of-state.

 

[WalterSobchakk]

Out of state acceptance rate in fall 2003:
Miami: 5.8%
UF: 0.9%
USF: 0%
FSU: N/A. GO GATORS!! 😀

 

[jmtanes]

I got my BS from UF, and I currently work for UFCOM. They claim to accept over 80% of their students from in-state, but, if you check with the aamc, it's much closer to 55%. UF has been trying for years to become an ivy league school, which i doubt will happen, even though it's a great school. UFCOM accepts a ton of students from out of state colleges, particularly those that are considered upper tier schools like yale, harvard, etc.

USF is another great school, but they do not accept from out of state.

You dont want to go to FSU (no one really does), but in 10 years, i think they'll have a decent program. As of right now, all clinical sites are in private practices - there's no hospital experience from what i understand.

Miami is great school too, but I dont know a lot about it other than it is in an awful neighborhood. Jackson Memorial would be a great place to learn, if you live through it. very rough place.

 

[Scubadoc]

I got my BS from UF, and I currently work for UFCOM. They claim to accept over 80% of their students from in-state, but, if you check with the aamc, it's much closer to 55%. UF has been trying for years to become an ivy league school, which i doubt will happen, even though it's a great school. UFCOM accepts a ton of students from out of state colleges, particularly those that are considered upper tier schools like yale, harvard, etc.

Are you sure about that? I emailed UFCOMs admissions office and this is what they wrote back:

>>Unless you are a Florida resident it is very, very difficult to be
considered for UF COM. We only accepted one out of state applicant
into the class entering fall 2004.

Robyn Sheppard
Coordinator of Admissions
Chair, ADA Assessment Committee
University of Florida College of Medicine<<<

University of Miami would be a great place to learn also but you have to have a minimum GPA of 3.6 to get a secondary if you are from out of state. Good luck!

 

[MedJoe]

The discrepancy between the last two posts is probably because one refers to out of state residents (the 1%), while the other refers to florida residents who completed their undergrad. studies out of state (the 20% or 45%, depending on the source).

 

[jmtanes]

Are you sure about that? I emailed UFCOMs admissions office and this is what they wrote back:

>>Unless you are a Florida resident it is very, very difficult to be
considered for UF COM. We only accepted one out of state applicant
into the class entering fall 2004.

Robyn Sheppard
Coordinator of Admissions
Chair, ADA Assessment Committee
University of Florida College of Medicine<<<

I see robyn a few times a week, she's a nice person from time to time. i'm surprised that she wrote that. if you go into their office, they have a board with the pictures, names, and last school attended on it. I would venture to say that before may 15, 70% of the names on the board had out of state schools associated with them. now it could be that those students are actually florida residents, or their parents are FL residents, or they are somehow faking a FL residency. now, after may 15, many of those students from columbia, yale, harvard, etc, have withdrawn and more FL students are left to take their place. even still, there are more than 25 names up from out of state.

 

[Indebt4Life]

Does anyone know much about the florida schools and their opinions as to applying from out of state? It looked like Miami was taking more out-of-state.

Miami is definitely looking to take more out of state apps because they want to be nationall recognized. There is a GPA/MCAT cut off for outstaters

 

[TRUE]

Florida really only takes people from in-state, but that refers to residency issues. If you are a florida resident but did undergrad out of state, you stand the same chance as someone who did their undergrad instate (as I understand it).

If you are an out of stater, then I think that's where the 1 person in 2004 comes in (actually, it was a friend of mine). But yea, that's tough to do.

 

[mikedc813]

Like the other posts have said, it's VERY difficult to get accepted to a Florida school if you're not a Florida state resident. This is especially true for USF, UF, and I'm assuming FSU because they are public schools that benefit from government subsidy. USF's out of state tuition, for instance, is $50,000/yr compared to $17,700/yr for state residents. So, even if you got in from out of state, why in the heck would you want to pay that type of tuition?? 😕 Miami is a private school, so it seems more likely that their out of state acceptance rate would be higher.

If anyone has questions regarding the differences between the Florida med schools, do a search because there are several threads that have been inactive for a while that are filled with extensive discussion on this topic.

Hope this helps. 😉

 

[rtmcad2319]

Like the other posts have said, it's VERY difficult to get accepted to a Florida school if you're not a Florida state resident. This is especially true for USF, UF, and I'm assuming FSU because they are public schools that benefit from government subsidy. USF's out of state tuition, for instance, is $50,000/yr compared to $17,700/yr for state residents. So, even if you got in from out of state, why in the heck would you want to pay that type of tuition?? 😕 Miami is a private school, so it seems more likely that their out of state acceptance rate would be higher.

If anyone has questions regarding the differences between the Florida med schools, do a search because there are several threads that have been inactive for a while that are filled with extensive discussion on this topic.

Hope this helps. 😉

FSU accepts all of 0 out of state students! Yeah for me!

 

[mikedc813]

I think I heard the USF finally started letting some out of state applicants in. Could be wrong though....

 

[Scubadoc]

I see robyn a few times a week, she's a nice person from time to time. i'm surprised that she wrote that. if you go into their office, they have a board with the pictures, names, and last school attended on it. I would venture to say that before may 15, 70% of the names on the board had out of state schools associated with them. now it could be that those students are actually florida residents, or their parents are FL residents, or they are somehow faking a FL residency. now, after may 15, many of those students from columbia, yale, harvard, etc, have withdrawn and more FL students are left to take their place. even still, there are more than 25 names up from out of state.

yep I am pretty sure those must be Florida residents who went to undergrad out of state.

 

[gujuDoc]

I think that the person that said those are undergrads that went to out of state schools is probably right. There are cases like that in USF too.

I know this 4th yr at USF who is from Florida and he was telling me how he went to Duke for undergrad. There are other cases like that too.

So I think that's what they refer too.

That and I remember hearing a few years back that they prefer in state residents when I was at UF's Premed AMSA Medical College Forum.

 

[ventulus18]

usf definitely takes people from out of state. i never lived in FL or went to school there. 50k+ isnt for me though

 

[gujuDoc]

usf definitely takes people from out of state. i never lived in FL or went to school there. 50k+ isnt for me though

Ventulus,

Mr. Larkin told me that this is the first year that they have started interviewing out of state candidates.

However, if you look at past MSARs and talk to Mr. Larkin, you will see that prior to today it wasn't like that.

 

[ventulus18]

this is what rel sent to me in the summer last year "Beginning with the entering Class of August 2004 we will be taking a limited number of exceptionally qualified non-Florida resident applicants into the M.D. Program. A Secondary Application will be sent to non-Florida residents who have achieved a minimum of a 3.60 science (BPCM) GPA, a 3.65 overall GPA, and an MCAT score of at least 30. Applicants who are successfully admitted will be assessed the non-resident tuition rate for the duration of their studies in the M.D. Program. If you are interested in continuing with the admissions process please email [email protected] to request a Secondary Application Package."
plus i interviewed there in the beginning of march

Ventulus,

Mr. Larkin told me that this is the first year that they have started interviewing out of state candidates.

However, if you look at past MSARs and talk to Mr. Larkin, you will see that prior to today it wasn't like that.

 

[gujuDoc]

Ventulus,

I just meant that prior to this year, when you interviewed, they didn't interview out of state candidates.

Just curious, did you end up getting in USF or another med school?

 

[MedNole]

As of right now, all FSU clinical sites are in private practices - there's no hospital experience from what i understand.

Who told you this??? It's completely ridiculous. How are students supposed to do surgery or IM clerkships without a hospital?? FSU students work in hospitals as much as any other med students. We train in the major hospitals in Tallahasse (TMH and TCH), Orlando (ORMC, Florida Hospital, Arnold Palmer), Pensacola (Baptist and Sacred Heart), and Sarasota, which is where we do our clinical training.

 

[mikedc813]

Who told you this??? It's completely ridiculous. How are students supposed to do surgery or IM clerkships without a hospital?? FSU students work in hospitals as much as any other med students. We train in the major hospitals in Tallahasse (TMH and TCH), Orlando (ORMC, Florida Hospital, Arnold Palmer), Pensacola (Baptist and Sacred Heart), and Sarasota, which is where we do our clinical training.

FSU clerkships are in Sarasota??? Holy crap that's far from FSU 😱

 

[mikedc813]

usf definitely takes people from out of state. i never lived in FL or went to school there. 50k+ isnt for me though

I'm very curious why you applied to USF in the first place. Did you not realize the tution would be so high for you? And you've never even been to Florida before, so why USF?

 

[ventulus18]

i didnt have any acceptances when i got picked for an interview there, so i really had no choice. the financial aid office told me i could get residency after a year. USF because like miami, i wanted to check out what florida was like. most of my family lives down there too

I'm very curious why you applied to USF in the first place. Did you not realize the tution would be so high for you? And you've never even been to Florida before, so why USF?

 

[MedNole]

FSU clerkships are in Sarasota??? Holy crap that's far from FSU 😱

After your 2nd year, you get to choose from Tallahassee, Pensacola, Orlando, Jacksonville, Sarasota, and Ft. Myers to do your 3rd and 4th year rotations. It's a great system we have worked out, because all of our rotations are in the same city, so we can choose to stay in Tallahassee or move to another one of the cities listed above. Unlike a lot of schools, we don't get shipped out to other areas to do random rotations (ER, family medicine, etc)...we get to stay in the city we chose for the entire 3rd and 4th year (except for electives, of course).

 

[MacGyver]

After your 2nd year, you get to choose from Tallahassee, Pensacola, Orlando, Jacksonville, Sarasota, and Ft. Myers to do your 3rd and 4th year rotations. It's a great system we have worked out, because all of our rotations are in the same city, so we can choose to stay in Tallahassee or move to another one of the cities listed above. Unlike a lot of schools, we don't get shipped out to other areas to do random rotations (ER, family medicine, etc)...we get to stay in the city we chose for the entire 3rd and 4th year (except for electives, of course).

FSU is just one step above the bottom barrel DO schools that ship you all over. Instead of being shipped around for each rotation, they force you to ship off between 2nd and 3rd year. They have quotas for each clinical site and wont let the whole class stay in Tallahassee.

Any MD OR DO school that forces you to move for clerkships is a weak school.

You'll notice that NONE of the top medical schools do that. You have the OPTION of moving to different places, but nobody is forced to do so.

 

[mikedc813]

FSU is just one step above the bottom barrel DO schools that ship you all over.

Any MD OR DO school that forces you to move for clerkships is a weak school.

Playing devil's advocate: If I'm not mistaken, doesn't UF make students do rotations in Jacksonville? I wouldn't call UF Medical a weak school by any means....

 

[MacGyver]

Playing devil's advocate: If I'm not mistaken, doesn't UF make students do rotations in Jacksonville? I wouldn't call UF Medical a weak school by any means....

If thats true and UF does indeed FORCE med students to rotate thru Jax, then yes it means UF is a weak school.

think about it.

the only reason schools FORCE you to rotate at other places is because they dont have the faculty/hospital resources/patient base to serve the med student population.

Med school A that has to force its students to rotate off-site because it doesnt have a strong hospital, faculty and/or large patient population is WEAKER than Med School B, which has a giant medical center complex, tons of faculty, and a large patient base to draw from.

 

[mikedc813]

If thats true and UF does indeed FORCE med students to rotate thru Jax, then yes it means UF is a weak school.

think about it.

the only reason schools FORCE you to rotate at other places is because they dont have the faculty/hospital resources/patient base to serve the med student population.

Med school A that has to force its students to rotate off-site because it doesnt have a strong hospital, faculty and/or large patient population is WEAKER than Med School B, which has a giant medical center complex, tons of faculty, and a large patient base to draw from.

Wow. That's some good thinking man. 😱 There's more than one way to view how "strong" or "weak" a school is. If you're talking from a research basis, UF is unquestionably one of the best in the nation. If you're talking about how well the faculty trains its students, I would not doubt that the faculty at UF, USF, or Miami are all solid and that the students all get a great education. These two factors should be what qualifies a medical school as being of high quality or of poor quality. It's somewhat unfair, however, to base a schools strength on where it's located. I'm not sure if you're actually serious when you claim that the immediate facitilies are what make or break a med school from being great.... 😕

Macguyver, if I use your criteria then schools like USF and Miami are automatically much better than UF. Hands down. Tampa and Miami are obviously large cities and are going to automatically have more medical facilities as a result. Gainesville - it's not even a city, it's a town the size of a Tampa or Miami suburb. Do you really expect UF to have the same quantity of hospitals, clinics? Does not having the same resources make UF a horrible school? OF COURSE NOT. Does it make UF worse than USF or Miami? OF COURSE NOT. That's ridiculous and I can't even believe I just spent this much time trying to explain myself. I just wasted 5 minutes of my life.

 

[ventulus18]

Wow. That's some good thinking man. 😱 There's more than one way to view how "strong" or "weak" a school is. If you're talking from a research basis, UF is unquestionably one of the best in the nation. If you're talking about how well the faculty trains its students, I would not doubt that the faculty at UF, USF, or Miami are all solid and that the students all get a great education. These two factors should be what qualifies a medical school as being of high quality or of poor quality. It's somewhat unfair, however, to base a schools strength on where it's located. I'm not sure if you're actually serious when you claim that the immediate facitilies are what make or break a med school from being great.... 😕

Macguyver, if I use your criteria then schools like USF and Miami are automatically much better than UF. Hands down. Tampa and Miami are obviously large cities and are going to automatically have more medical facilities as a result. Gainesville - it's not even a city, it's a town the size of a Tampa or Miami suburb. Do you really expect UF to have the same quantity of hospitals, clinics? Does not having the same resources make UF a horrible school? OF COURSE NOT. Does it make UF worse than USF or Miami? OF COURSE NOT. That's ridiculous and I can't even believe I just spent this much time trying to explain myself. I just wasted 5 minutes of my life.

ain't that the truth.... you'll never get those 5 minutes back either

 

[MedNole]

So any school that has satellite clinical sites is "just above the bottom barrel DO schools." Well, then that includes just about every school outside of a major metropolitan area, including UF. Just because FSU doesn't have a single giant teaching hospital doesn't mean that our students learn less than other medical students. In fact, working outside of a teaching hospital means that our students work 1 on 1 with an attending on virtually all of our rotations. But you are obviously willing to make judments on things that you know nothing about (which was demonstrated in another thread), so it's no use arguing with you.

 

[Fusion]

MacGyver, your reasoning on some of the issues at hand is off. The University of Florida College of Medicine only recently (i.e., past five years or so) required medical students to do their Emergency Medicine rotation at Shands Jacksonville. The reason they started this is not because the Emergency Department at Shands Hospital in Gainesville sucks. On the contrary, it is one of the busiest ER's in the region. Students started rotating in Jacksonville when University Hospital in Jacksonville officially became part of Shands Hospital, hence the name "Shands Jacksonville." Not to mention, the ER at Shands Jax is badass. It's in the middle of one of the worst parts of town, and students are exposed to a lot. Did you ever hear the story that came out a few years ago about a guy getting stabbed in the skull w/ a knife and living to tell about it? It was a story on one of those "How could they survive that?" shows some years back. Yeah, well that was at Shands Jax.

The whole issue you have with students rotating at different hospitals in <gasp!> different cities is somewhat unfounded as well. There are several medical schools that work this way, including the Univ of Minnesota and Michigan State. If anything, it is good for medical students to gain exposure to different hospitals, because hospitals are a lot different from each other than most people realize. The more experience you have with different medical centers, the better off you will be.

I think that it is important for premed students to realize that medical schools are essentially the same. Everyone takes more or less the same subjects, same licensing exams, similar rotations, etc. As far as learning to become a real life doctor, residency training is where it's at. Sure, med students coming from an urban med school (e.g., U Miami) will have an edge when they start post-graduate training. And prestige, reputation, and research all come into play for a variety of reasons. But residency is where you really learn to become the doctor that you are going to be (yes, I know, the better the med school you come from, the better the residency you land- I am just generalizing here).

 

[mikedc813]

MacGyver, your reasoning on some of the issues at hand is off. The University of Florida College of Medicine only recently (i.e., past five years or so) required medical students to do their Emergency Medicine rotation at Shands Jacksonville. The reason they started this is not because the Emergency Department at Shands Hospital in Gainesville sucks. On the contrary, it is one of the busiest ER's in the region. Students started rotating in Jacksonville when University Hospital in Jacksonville officially became part of Shands Hospital, hence the name "Shands Jacksonville." Not to mention, the ER at Shands Jax is badass. It's in the middle of one of the worst parts of town, and students are exposed to a lot. Did you ever hear the story that came out a few years ago about a guy getting stabbed in the skull w/ a knife and living to tell about it? It was a story on one of those "How could they survive that?" shows some years back. Yeah, well that was at Shands Jax.

The whole issue you have with students rotating at different hospitals in <gasp!> different cities is somewhat unfounded as well. There are several medical schools that work this way, including the Univ of Minnesota and Michigan State. If anything, it is good for medical students to gain exposure to different hospitals, because hospitals are a lot different from each other than most people realize. The more experience you have with different medical centers, the better off you will be.

I think that it is important for premed students to realize that medical schools are essentially the same. Everyone takes more or less the same subjects, same licensing exams, similar rotations, etc. As far as learning to become a real life doctor, residency training is where it's at. Sure, med students coming from an urban med school (e.g., U Miami) will have an edge when they start post-graduate training. And prestige, reputation, and research all come into play for a variety of reasons. But residency is where you really learn to become the doctor that you are going to be (yes, I know, the better the med school you come from, the better the residency you land- I am just generalizing here).

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