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Celestron2000

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Hey all, I love the idea of moving out to CO for my residency training and beyond. I applied to 5 programs in the Denver area:
St. Joseph
St. Anthony
U. of Colorado
Swedish, Littleton
Ft. Collins Family Med

Being on the East coast, I have not heard anything about these program apart from what they have on the web, and was wondering what the word on the street is.😕

If anyone would care to share, I'd love to hear it. Also general thoughts on FM in CO appreciated. I have a string of these interviews next week. 😀

Thanks,
Celestron

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I'd also love to hear about programs in Colorado, any advice would be great! (I'm also interviewing there in the coming weeks...) good luck celestron!!

on another note, anyone know anything about phoenix programs???

Hey all, I love the idea of moving out to CO for my residency training and beyond. I applied to 5 programs in the Denver area:
St. Joseph
St. Anthony
U. of Colorado
Swedish, Littleton
Ft. Collins Family Med

Being on the East coast, I have not heard anything about these program apart from what they have on the web, and was wondering what the word on the street is.😕

If anyone would care to share, I'd love to hear it. Also general thoughts on FM in CO appreciated. I have a string of these interviews next week. 😀

Thanks,
Celestron
 
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Hey all, I love the idea of moving out to CO for my residency training and beyond. I applied to 5 programs in the Denver area:
St. Joseph
St. Anthony
U. of Colorado
Swedish, Littleton
Ft. Collins Family Med

Being on the East coast, I have not heard anything about these program apart from what they have on the web, and was wondering what the word on the street is.😕

If anyone would care to share, I'd love to hear it. Also general thoughts on FM in CO appreciated. I have a string of these interviews next week. 😀

Thanks,
Celestron

The word on the street is that you left out two of the strongest programs in the state: Grand Junction and Pueblo. I've got CO next week too, perhaps we'll cross paths somewhere along the way. Best of luck!
 
ditto on that being one of the best in the state. I interviewed there and it is a very strong program. Check it out if you get the chance!
 
ditto on that being one of the best in the state. I interviewed there and it is a very strong program. Check it out if you get the chance!

Thanks for the FYI, but that area won't work for my husband. 🙁

What about the others?
 
My impressions:

St A's: unopposed urban/suburban with Level 1 Trauma at the main hospital. Program has recently moved all residents from main hospital to North (in Westminster); residents still do some rotations e.g. EM @ Central. New building under construction at North. Central will eventually move to Lakewood. Currently looking for new PD (former PD is becoming CMO of hospital), but faculty are very stable, cohesive, seem to work well together. Big emphasis in this program is community, family and having a manageable life. Faculty really look out for residents. Intern year starts you out slow with a reduced pt load and lots of time to learn the system, which is good if you need time to adapt to a new place. Commitment to the underserved. Catholic hospital restricts practice somewhat (i.e. you learn IUD placement, vasectomy at another facility; no tubals in-house). Some travel between facilities. As most urban Denver hospitals, unusual/super-sick peds and peds trauma will go to Children's; St A's does not rotate there. CU students currently do not rotate here except for subIs.

St J's: opposed (IM, Surgery, Ob/Gyn) urban. FM program generally seems to be well respected and well treated by other specialties. There is a ton of ob/gyn so plenty to go around for everyone. Very recently got a new PD. This is a very nice hospital with free food, free parking, a collegial atmosphere; students love to rotate here. Closely tied in with Kaiser system, will work with Kaiser docs. Catholic hospital with same restrictions as above.

UCHSC: opposed by everything. Often scrambles to fill spots, but they have a lot of excellent residents. You will rotate and train with experts in every field, often not with FM attendings. Denver Health has heavy indigent care focus, great training in low-cost effective care, Level 1 Trauma. NO pharm reps = no free lunches, breakfasts, pens or anything else unless the rep takes you out off the DHMC campus. Univ Hosp has more of the academic weird pathologies, burn unit, transplants, very high risk OB, etc.. You may spend hours traveling across town between rotations and clinics. Refugee clinics provide opps to work with a very wide variety of very needy people. Good for those who want to work with urban underserved. Current residents very involved in improving didactics and structure of program, faculty responsive. Home of Mark Deutchman, legendary FM guru of operative obstetrics. As an intern on other services, you will often supervise MS3 students.

Swedish: unopposed. Unlike other CO programs, has a "longitudinal" approach. This is more like a real FM doc's practice in that you are simultaneously admitting to the ED, managing your ICU pt, and monitoring your OB pt who is in labor. Good for those who like to multitask. I've heard it said that they say they train hospitalists for urban hospitals. 4-mile travel to clinic. Level 1 trauma. Only students are externs and subIs. You do your first-year Ob rotation at Denver Health so you can get more volume.

Fort Collins: unopposed. Residents will proudly tell you "we work hard." The beginning of their intern year sounds like the exact opposite of St A's: a massive pt census right from the start. Students do some rotations here. Good for those who like to be challenged.

In Denver, there is also Rose. The more rural programs are Greeley, Pueblo and Grand Junction. I could write more, but I have work to do!
 
meowmix - thanks so much! that was really helpful. you mentioned Rose also in Denver - anyone heard anything about this program?

again, thanks!
 
The deadline for applying to Rose was Nov 5, I think. You should check.

This is a mostly unopposed urban program at a private hospital with a strong Jewish tradition. Many rotations done at Rose; several are done away, including inpt and outpt peds @ Children's, Ob in Brighton (nearby town) and Denver Health, Gyn @ Univ Hosp, sports med in Crested Butte (ski town). yes NICU, no PICU. Rose has an exemplary ob/gyn program, but the FM residents do not work with most of these ob/gyns. FM also do not work with midwives. The ICU is exceptionally strong; the attendings rotate through from Natl Jewish, and they are not only amazing intensivists but also amazing teachers. The ICU nurses are also exceptional. IM residents from UCHSC have been rotating in the ICU but apparently this is going to change; from what I saw, FM residents were treated as equals on this service. Exceptional cardiothoracic and other surgeons, a bariatric surgery specialist, and some million-dollar suites for very high-end pts (you will never see these people!). Since University Hospital (formerly right next door) moved out to Aurora, Rose has been picking up a lot more pts in the ED, which is broadening their pt population and increasing inpt and ambulatory pt load. This is a reasonably competitive program (more than 200 apps for 6 positions this year) with a good atmosphere. They require that you pass Step 2 on first attempt. You will see MS3 students here. You will travel for rotations, but the nice new FM clinic is right in the building (albeit in the basement). Bonus: a civilized cafe that open to 1 am, on those long hungry nights. Exercise room for $2.50/month. Pt population has many fewer Hispanic pts than Denver Health; lots of Russian pts, some African, Arab immigrants.

One other thing I would add for East-Coasters/Midwesters is that people are often very surprised to find out the range of training available in FM in the west. Many residents I've met in other specialties are stunned to learn that FMs learn to do C/s, procedures, etc. The practice restrictions back east are particularly bad in the malpractice disaster areas where premiums are outrageous. CO OB premiums, for example, are relatively reasonable.
 
Wow! I totally missed that program. 😱

I certainly should have applied, but you were right the deadline was Nov. 5.
Maybe I can still slip it in under the door (early in the AM of Nov.6).
Although, I suspect most of the interviews have already been handed out.

Thanks.
 
My impressions:

St A's: unopposed urban/suburban with Level 1 Trauma at the main hospital. Program has recently moved all residents from main hospital to North (in Thornton); residents still do some rotations e.g. EM @ Central. New building under construction at North. Central will eventually move to Lakewood. Currently looking for new PD (former PD is becoming CMO of hospital), but faculty are very stable, cohesive, seem to work well together. Big emphasis in this program is community, family and having a manageable life. Faculty really look out for residents. Intern year starts you out slow with a reduced pt load and lots of time to learn the system, which is good if you need time to adapt to a new place. Commitment to the underserved. Catholic hospital restricts practice somewhat (i.e. you learn IUD placement, vasectomy at another facility; no tubals in-house). Some travel between facilities. As most urban Denver hospitals, unusual/super-sick peds and peds trauma will go to Children's; St A's does not rotate there. CU students currently do not rotate here except for subIs.

St J's: opposed (IM, Surgery, Ob/Gyn) urban. FM program generally seems to be well respected and well treated by other specialties. There is a ton of ob/gyn so plenty to go around for everyone. Very recently got a new PD. This is a very nice hospital with free food, free parking, a collegial atmosphere; students love to rotate here. Closely tied in with Kaiser system, will work with Kaiser docs. Catholic hospital with same restrictions as above.

UCHSC: opposed by everything. Often scrambles to fill spots, but they have a lot of excellent residents. You will rotate and train with experts in every field, often not with FM attendings. Denver Health has heavy indigent care focus, great training in low-cost effective care, Level 1 Trauma. NO pharm reps = no free lunches, breakfasts, pens or anything else unless the rep takes you out off the DHMC campus. Univ Hosp has more of the academic weird pathologies, burn unit, transplants, very high risk OB, etc.. You may spend hours traveling across town between rotations and clinics. Refugee clinics provide opps to work with a very wide variety of very needy people. Good for those who want to work with urban underserved. Current residents very involved in improving didactics and structure of program, faculty responsive. Home of Mark Deutchman, legendary FM guru of operative obstetrics. As an intern on other services, you will often supervise MS3 students.

Swedish: unopposed. Unlike other CO programs, has a "longitudinal" approach. This is more like a real FM doc's practice in that you are simultaneously admitting to the ED, managing your ICU pt, and monitoring your OB pt who is in labor. Good for those who like to multitask. I've heard it said that they say they train hospitalists for urban hospitals. 4-mile travel to clinic. Level 1 trauma. Only students are externs and subIs. You do your first-year Ob rotation at Denver Health so you can get more volume.

Fort Collins: unopposed. Residents will proudly tell you "we work hard." The beginning of their intern year sounds like the exact opposite of St A's: a massive pt census right from the start. Students do some rotations here. Good for those who like to be challenged.

In Denver, there is also Rose. The more rural programs are Greeley, Pueblo and Grand Junction. I could write more, but I have work to do!

Wow! That was Amazing... thank you so much! 😍
 
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