For AMCAS, do college classes that I was given AP credit for and then retook appear as "repeat"?

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For AMCAS application, do college classes such as chemistry or biology that I took as AP credit in high school and was awarded credit for by my college that I then retook for a grade in college appear as "repeat"?

The AMCAS Instruction Manual states:
If you take a college-level course for which you already have been granted AP credit by the same institution, AMCAS considers the course a Repeat. For example, if you received AP credit for your AP Psychology course and took an Introduction to Psychology course at the same undergraduate institution, you should list Introduction to Psychology as a Repeat.

I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to accidentally mark classes as "repeat" as if I retook them because of a low grade when in fact it was due to AP credit. Thanks.

 

[Catalystik]

For AMCAS application, do college classes such as chemistry or biology that I took as AP credit in high school and was awarded credit for by my college that I then retook for a grade in college appear as "repeat"?

The AMCAS Instruction Manual states:
If you take a college-level course for which you already have been granted AP credit by the same institution, AMCAS considers the course a Repeat. For example, if you received AP credit for your AP Psychology course and took an Introduction to Psychology course at the same undergraduate institution, you should list Introduction to Psychology as a Repeat.

I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to accidentally mark classes as "repeat" as if I retook them because of a low grade when in fact it was due to AP credit. Thanks.

Yes, they will appear as Repeated on the AMCAS application.

 

[sleepeatrun]

Yes, they will appear as Repeated on the AMCAS application.

Thanks. Sorry, just want to confirm. I took AP classes in high school that were accepted by my college (chem, bio, etc.) that I then repeated for a letter grade in college. I should mark these classes as "repeated" on the AMCAS application even though I did not fail these classes?

Does AMCAS change it to "repeat"? Would this lead to a returned application?

 

[sleepeatrun]

AMCAS is unlikely to return it, as this is classification is meant more each school's consideration. I would have presumed you have submitted your application many weeks ago and has been verified, so if AMCAS didnt return it then, you are fine

Thanks! Actually, no I'm late and applying soon. Is the correct policy to mark the AP classes I retook in college as "repeat"?


I looked up what repeat (R) means in the AMCAS definition and it indicates:
Repeat (R): Any course that a student failed or for which the student’s initial grade was below departmental standards. The initial attempt, as well as all subsequent attempts of a “repeated” course sequence, must be listed in the Coursework section.

 

[Catalystik]

Thanks! Actually, no I'm late and applying soon. Is the correct policy to mark the AP classes I retook in college as "repeat"?


I looked up what repeat (R) means in the AMCAS definition and it indicates:
Repeat (R): Any course that a student failed or for which the student’s initial grade was below departmental standards. The initial attempt, as well as all subsequent attempts of a “repeated” course sequence, must be listed in the Coursework section.

Mark them as Repeat. If you forget, you are allowed to make up to 10 errors (which AMCAS will correct for you) without the application being returned to you.

It will be clear from looking at your transcript that you did not fail or withdraw from the class previously, but were given AP credit.

Many applicants do what you have done due to med schools that don't accept AP credit to which they wish to apply. Not a big deal.

 

[SLU Student]

For my school, they simply "removed" my AP credit for the classes that I retook. This way, they wouldn't show up twice on my transcript. It's always up to the school to grant AP credit, so check with your advisor or registrar to see if they can be removed. If your school does not do this, then mark them as "repeated."

 

[sleepeatrun]

Mark them as Repeat. If you forget, you are allowed to make up to 10 errors (which AMCAS will correct for you) without the application being returned to you.

It will be clear from looking at your transcript that you did not fail or withdraw from the class previously, but were given AP credit.

Many applicants do what you have done due to med schools that don't accept AP credit to which they wish to apply. Not a big deal.

Do you know if it would cause a delay if I did NOT list the AP classes as "repeat"? AMCAS would just change it for me, but would they return it to me, thus causing the delay? Thanks again.

 

[sleepeatrun]

For my school, they simply "removed" my AP credit for the classes that I retook. This way, they wouldn't show up twice on my transcript. It's always up to the school to grant AP credit, so check with your advisor or registrar to see if they can be removed. If your school does not do this, then mark them as "repeated."

Thanks. So what is something like AP Chem equivalent to?

 

[PreMedMissteps]

Thanks! Actually, no I'm late and applying soon. Is the correct policy to mark the AP classes I retook in college as "repeat"?

Really, this is too late to be applying and will likely cause you to be a reapplicant next season, with all the negatives attached to that.

Wait until June to submit....unless you're Tx then do May.

Do you have any hook at all? What are your stats?

Thanks. So what is something like AP Chem equivalent to?

I'm telling you for NEXT year....lol...since you're too late for this cycle without a significant hook.

Look at your school's unofficial transcript, likely found in your portal...it will show what credit you were given....likely Gen Chem I only...or Gen Chem I and II...depending on your school and your AP score.

Your school's undergrad catalog should have an AP page where it shows what credits are given and for what courses.

 

[Catalystik]

Do you know if it would cause a delay if I did NOT list the AP classes as "repeat"? AMCAS would just change it for me, but would they return it to me, thus causing the delay? Thanks again.

As long as you make 10 or less total transcript errors that require correction, there will be no delay.

 

[sleepeatrun]

Look at your school's unofficial transcript, likely found in your portal...it will show what credit you were given....likely Gen Chem I only...or Gen Chem I and II...depending on your school and your AP score.

Found it, thanks!

Mark them as Repeat. If you forget, you are allowed to make up to 10 errors (which AMCAS will correct for you) without the application being returned to you.

It will be clear from looking at your transcript that you did not fail or withdraw from the class previously, but were given AP credit.

Many applicants do what you have done due to med schools that don't accept AP credit to which they wish to apply. Not a big deal.

When I list it as "repeat," it comes up with the following response:
Note: You have indicated a Repeated course. If your school has an academic forgiveness policy, and subsequently replaces the original grade received with a special transcript symbol, the original grade regardless of whether or not it appears on the Official Transcript must be entered on your AMCAS application. If the original grade is not entered, AMCAS will return your application to you to enter the original grade. Please note that this may cause you to miss application deadlines and forfeit fees.

There's technically no grade for AP credit. What does this mean?

 

[Catalystik]

When I list it as "repeat," it comes up with the following response:
Note: You have indicated a Repeated course. If your school has an academic forgiveness policy, and subsequently replaces the original grade received with a special transcript symbol, the original grade regardless of whether or not it appears on the Official Transcript must be entered on your AMCAS application. If the original grade is not entered, AMCAS will return your application to you to enter the original grade. Please note that this may cause you to miss application deadlines and forfeit fees.

There's technically no grade for AP credit. What does this mean?

Some schools do assign a grade for AP credit (depending on the test score) and some don't. Just enter whatever it says on your original college official transcript sent to you from the registrar's office.

 

[sleepeatrun]

As long as you make 10 or less total transcript errors that require correction, there will be no delay.

Do the 10 or less transcript errors include simple errors like course names mispelled or not assigned correctly? Or are the transcript errors larger mistakes like not including a class or grades?

Some schools do assign a grade for AP credit (depending on the test score) and some don't. Just enter whatever it says on your original official transcript sent to you from the registrar's office.

Yeah, I did.

 

[PreMedMissteps]

Really, this is too late to be applying and will likely cause you to be a reapplicant next season, with all the negatives attached to that.

Wait until June to submit....unless you're Tx then do May.

Do you have any hook at all? What are your stats?




I'm telling you for this year....lol...since you're too late for this cycle without a significant hook.

Look at your school's unofficial transcript, likely found in your portal...it will show what credit you were given....likely Gen Chem I only...or Gen Chem I and II...depending on your school and your AP score.

Your school's undergrad catalog should have an AP page where it shows what credits are given and for what courses.

Did you read the above? Please do not apply this cycle. You're not only setting yourself up for a failed cycle, but also wasting money and WORSE, it will make you a reapplicant next cycle...and all the negatives associated with being a reapplicant could mean a failed reapplication.

If you're naively looking at app deadlines and thinking you're ok...you're not.

Don't....just don't.

 

[PreMedMissteps]

Found it, thanks!


When I list it as "repeat," it comes up with the following response:
Note: You have indicated a Repeated course. If your school has an academic forgiveness policy, and subsequently replaces the original grade received with a special transcript symbol, the original grade regardless of whether or not it appears on the Official Transcript must be entered on your AMCAS application. If the original grade is not entered, AMCAS will return your application to you to enter the original grade. Please note that this may cause you to miss application deadlines and forfeit fees.

There's technically no grade for AP credit. What does this mean?

Many schools just give a C/NC or P/F grade for AP credits. Is that what your school is doing? (Credit/no credit or Pass/Fail.

But again! Do not apply this cycle.....way too late.

 

[Catalystik]

Do the 10 or less transcript errors include simple errors like course names mispelled or not assigned correctly? Or are the transcript errors larger mistakes like not including a class or grades?

Yes, the 10 include everything.

 

[Catalystik]

But again! Do not apply this cycle.....way too late.

Depends on the hook. Depends on the school.

 

[PreMedMissteps]

Depends on the hook. Depends on the school.

This student has been asked if he has a hook and hasn't replied with any.....so unless he's keeping his hook to himself, we can only infer that he doesn't have one.

One of the best hooks to have at this point would be: being a black male or American Indian (with papers) and stats that are worthy of a MD school.

 

[sleepeatrun]

Depends on the hook. Depends on the school.

Could you elaborate on what sort of candidate/schools might work at this point in the cycle?

Did you read the above? Please do not apply this cycle. You're not only setting yourself up for a failed cycle, but also wasting money and WORSE, it will make you a reapplicant next cycle...and all the negatives associated with being a reapplicant could mean a failed reapplication.

If you're naively looking at app deadlines and thinking you're ok...you're not.

Don't....just don't.

Not sure, I'm deciding. There are some schools that have late secondary deadlines.

 

[sleepeatrun]

You are first putting in your AMCAS now? You realize this is nearly a complete waste of time, money and effort this late
1) you may not be able to get screened and return secondary and have application fully complete before deadlines at many schools
2) you are at the bottom of a big pile of applications that may not make it into adcom review before most interview slots are handed out
3) majority of interview slots are already given out
4) you will make yourself a reapplicant



Read the entire instructions (page 44)

If you take a college level course for which you already have been granted AP credit by
the same institution, this course is considered a Repeat. For example, if you received AP
credit for your AP Psychology course and took an Introduction to Psychology course at
the same undergraduate institution, you should list Introduction to Psychology as a
Repeat.

I really want to apply this cycle for various reasons. I'm contemplating not applying for the very reason that it's so late, but I really, really want to just apply.

 

[Catalystik]

Could you elaborate on what sort of candidate/schools might work at this point in the cycle?

I don't know all the details of your application that would help me give an informed response. Do you have a WAMC post? If not, there are stickied guidelines at the top of the forum about what details to include, if you care to make one.

 

[Catalystik]

This student has been asked if he has a hook and hasn't replied with any.....so unless he's keeping his hook to himself, we can only infer that he doesn't have one.

One of the best hooks to have at this point would be: being a black male or American Indian (with papers) and stats that are worthy of a MD school.

Or ex-military/ex-Peace Corps, or very high MCAT, or Olympic Gold winner, or residing in certain states, or . . . . etc.

 

[sleepeatrun]

Or ex-military/ex-Peace Corps, or very high MCAT, or Olympic Gold winner, or residing in certain states, or . . . . etc.

Not special, but I'm involved and I can pre-write secondaries (have more time now) so that I submit the second I get the secondary. Would that be enough to compensate?

 

[sleepeatrun]

Is your goal to apply now or goal to get into medical school? Because if you do the first, you may be lowering your chances of the second. If you do not understand the risks of being a reapplicant, then I suggest you do not know enough to apply. Your desire to "really want to just apply" already makes me question your maturity and logic and medical schools arent looking for rushed, immature applicants. Seriously, I am trying to help you become a doctor and not just someone who applied to medical school because they "really want to just apply." I strongly suggest you take a very cold shower until you are screaming and then repeatedly slap yourself in front of the mirror until this feeling passes. And yes that is real advice and action and yes I have done it.

Yes, I've read about the risks of being a reapplicant. But I do have my reasons, and they're legitimate. I absolutely do want to go to medical school. I've seen cases here and there of individuals who might get accepted in my situation, but is there any website/way to figure out more statistics/data on this?

 

[Catalystik]

Not special, but I'm involved and I can pre-write secondaries (have more time now) so that I submit the second I get the secondary. Would that be enough to compensate?

It's not that you have a zero chance of success if you submit now, it's that your chances are increasingly lessened as time goes by until they become dismal. But schools will still welcome your contribution to their bottom line via Secondary fees until the last day. We all know average applicants that got accepted against all odds with a last-minute application, but we know far more who ended up reapplying.

 

[sleepeatrun]

Yes, they will appear as Repeated on the AMCAS application.

Where do the college classes that I actually took for a letter grade in college (but had AP credit for) appear on the AMCAS application? I don't think I see any mention of it on the printed form that I can view if I'm not in the coursework section when logged into AMCAS?

 

[Catalystik]

Where do the college classes that I actually took for a letter grade in college (but had AP credit for) appear on the AMCAS application? I don't think I see any mention of it on the printed form that I can view if I'm not in the coursework section when logged into AMCAS?

Did you go to the first page Menu, click on Print Application on the right side, then select PDF view?

 

[sleepeatrun]

It's not that you have a zero chance of success if you submit now, it's that your chances are increasingly lessened as time goes by until they become dismal. But schools will still welcome your contribution to their bottom line via Secondary fees until the last day. We all know average applicants that got accepted against all odds with a last-minute application, but we know far more who ended up reapplying.

Do you think pre-writing secondaries (and sending it right away) would be enough to compensate some? I also don't intend to apply to many schools (maybe 10 or less).

 

[PreMedMissteps]

Not special, but I'm involved and I can pre-write secondaries (have more time now) so that I submit the second I get the secondary. Would that be enough to compensate?

No, you're already too late. You could submit your secondaries on Tuesday (if possible), and you're still a month too late.

At this point, the money that you pay out to schools will be donations.....along with injuring your chances when you are a reapplicant.

It seems like you've been poorly advised. A competant advisor would have told you to apply in August, at the latest. Preferably June/July.

Since you have no special hook, there is no reason you could give to justify applying to US MD schools now.

 

[sleepeatrun]

Did you go to the first page Menu, click on Print Application on the right side, then select PDF view?

There isn't an option on mine to make a PDF. I can select "Print Application" and then see a PDF. But yes I think I can get PDF. I see the transcript with courses/grades, but not the actual mention of courses with the "R"/Repeated notation next to it.

 

[Catalystik]

Do you think pre-writing secondaries (and sending it right away) would be enough to compensate some?

Compared to waiting until the deadline date?: Yes. In general, No.

 

[sleepeatrun]

No, you're already too late. You could submit your secondaries on Tuesday (if possible), and you're still a month too late.

At this point, the money that you pay out to schools will be donations.....along with injuring your chances when you are a reapplicant.

It seems like you've been poorly advised. A competant advisor would have told you to apply in August, at the latest. Preferably June/July.

Since you have no special hook, there is no reason you could give to justify applying to US MD schools now.

Mentioned above. I don't intend to apply to that many schools (10). So it would be focused and not too much money (compared to those applying to >20/25)

 

[Catalystik]

There isn't an option on mine to make a PDF. I can select "Print Application" and then see a PDF. But yes I think I can get PDF. I see the transcript with courses/grades, but not the actual mention of courses with the "R"/Repeated notation next to it.

Did you enter (R) for the course type where applicable? Did you save it afterward?

 

[PreMedMissteps]

Mentioned above. I don't intend to apply to that many schools (10). So it would be focused and not too much money.

You don't get it.

Are the 10 you're going to apply to schools that you'd like to attend? Do they include your instate publics?

If those 10 schools are your desired schools, then applying now is crazy.

As for "not much money"....you're talking about at least $1000, once you include the cost for each secondary (which are about $50-100 each)....more likely about $1300. That's nothing to sneeze at unless you're affluent.

You seem determined to screw up your chances. We should all mark this thread and refer to it later when you're lamenting your situation when you're a reapplicant and your app is put on the bottom of the pile with the other reapps.

 

[sleepeatrun]

Did you enter (R) for the course type where applicable? Did you save it afterward?

Thanks. Didn't save. I thought they just didn't show that info on printed. How do you check to see on the printed form if you selected lecture only/lab only/lecture + lab only? I've definitely saved those and haven't seen that on the application.

I'm starting to question my judgement though.

 

[PreMedMissteps]

I'm starting to question my judgement though.

Thank goodness!

Seriously, I'm being rough on you to HELP you. I'm not a premed. I'm probably older than your parents. I know this rodeo pretty well. Don't apply now.

 

[sleepeatrun]

You don't get it.

Are the 10 you're going to apply to schools that you'd like to attend? Do they include your instate publics?

If those 10 schools are your desired schools, then applying now is crazy.

As for "not much money"....you're talking about at least $1000....more likely about $1300. That's nothing to sneeze at unless you're affluent.

Not affluent. But if I was applying to 20 or more schools. I've been reading about others in my situation who applied to 40 schools.
Also, 10 schools that range from desired to safety. Not reach of course. Does August vs September/early Oct submission of primary really make that much of a difference? I have a few a friend (slightly above average) who applied up until the hour before. He still got 3 interview invites and 1 acceptance. I know he might be that rare case of course.

 

[Catalystik]

How do you check to see on the printed form if you selected lecture only/lab only/lecture + lab only? I've definitely saved those and haven't seen that on the application.

@gonnif .

 

[sleepeatrun]

Thank goodness!

Seriously, I'm being rough on you to HELP you. I'm not a premed. I'm probably older than your parents. I know this rodeo pretty well. Don't apply now.

It's fine. I just feel that even pushing out a couple right now just might be worth it. What's wrong with applying to safety schools though?

@gonnif

Ah, I see the chart now.

 

[PreMedMissteps]

It's fine. I just feel that even pushing out a couple right now just might be worth it. What's wrong with applying to safety schools though?


Ah, I see the chart now.

There are no safety schools for US MD.

What are your stats, your home state, and what schools on on that 10 school list?

 

[sleepeatrun]

No, it up to each school to publish them. Most, like University of Miami report lower acceptance rates

Roughly 20% of the students who apply to the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine in any given year are reapplicants. Data that we have collected indicate they have a lower acceptance rate than do first time applicants.

The best set of data that you need to look at closely on this is from University of Michigan (see graphic below) is the actual rates of interviews and acceptances based on what month applications were received as I detailed in the spreadsheet below. Notice how much that the acceptance rate goes down based on when the applicant submitted their application. It should be noted that in the "other/deferred" category, I have made the best possible scenario as at least 8 of total were deferred from year before. So you have less than a 1 in 20 chance of even getting an interview this late

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Does applications refer to when they submitted primary to AMCAS or when they were complete? When they were complete?

I searched through a lot of SDN threads prior. I felt more hopeful. Thanks for the info though, it helps me make a more informed decision.

 

[StudentDoctorNetwork?]

In response to gonnif's charts, I'd like to add that these sorts of data don't control for differences in credentials among the different "applicant cohorts."

For example, it may very well be the case that the September "applicant cohort" contains more procrastinating and/or hesitant applicants than the June/July "applicant cohort" -- and this could be reflected in differences in MCAT, GPA, EC quality, LoR quality, etc.

In other words, we cannot conclude from gonnif's charts that differences in admission outcomes between June applicants and September applicants are due solely (or even mostly) to the earliness or lateness of their application.

 

[sleepeatrun]

There are no safety schools for US MD.

What are your stats, your home state, and what schools on on that 10 school list?

3.85, 514..FL. I am pretty involved though. I'm not a superstar, but I've been consistently involved and have a lot of hours (compared to peers as well) across different activities that show my commitment.

In response to gonnif's charts, I'd like to add that these sorts of data don't control for differences in credentials among the different "application cohorts."

For example, it may very well be the case that the September "applicant cohort" contains more procrastinating and/or hesitant applicants than the June/July "applicant cohort" -- and this could be reflected in differences in MCAT, GPA, EC quality, LoR quality, etc.

In other words, we cannot conclude from gonnif's charts that differences in admission outcomes between June applicants and September applicants are due solely (or even mostly) to the earliness or lateness of their application.

Yeah, perhaps. I've noticed personality differences in friends who applied early/late that could be reflected in other aspects as well like EC, LOR. Also, these might just be general trends...not trying to stereotype.

 

[PreMedMissteps]

Since today is Saturday, even if he submits today, for all intents and purposes, he'd be a Oct applicant.

OP
I'm guessing that you're thinking the FL meds below UF, FSU, and private UM are your so-called safeties..would that be correct?

Ruining your chances at your supposed "safeties" is simply a terrible idea because next year, if you're a first time applicant, those so-called safeties may be the only schools that would issue an II to a first-timer like you. Your stats are average for a non-hooked successful (guessing) white male, so your "safeties" may be the only school(s) that will show you any love. You're likely over-estimating the significance of your activities, particularly as a late applicant.

 

[Dr. Scribe]

You are first putting in your AMCAS now? You realize this is nearly a complete waste of time, money and effort this late
1) you may not be able to get screened and return secondary and have application fully complete before deadlines at many schools
2) you are at the bottom of a big pile of applications that may not make it into adcom review before most interview slots are handed out
3) majority of interview slots are already given out
4) you will make yourself a reapplicant



Read the entire instructions (page 44)

If you take a college level course for which you already have been granted AP credit by
the same institution, this course is considered a Repeat. For example, if you received AP
credit for your AP Psychology course and took an Introduction to Psychology course at
the same undergraduate institution, you should list Introduction to Psychology as a
Repeat.

I believe the adcom for UCF recently stated that only 100/~425 IIs had been given out so far for his school...maybe not every school follows the same timeline as UCF but surely it isn't fair to say that the majority of IIs have already been given out

 

[PreMedMissteps]

believe the adcom for UCF recently stated that only 100/~425 IIs had been given out so far for his school...

When was this said? And when did UCF begin interviewing? And do they interview once or twice a week or more?

This just doesn't seem plausible. Maybe at the time those words were said, only about 100 had actually been interviewed, but it doesn't seem right that only about 100 have been issued unless this was said a month ago or UCF is on a later schedule.

 

[Dr. Scribe]

When was this said? And when did UCF begin interviewing? And do they interview once or twice a week or more?

This just doesn't seem plausible. Maybe at the time those words were said, only about 100 had actually been interviewed, but it doesn't seem right that only about 100 have been issued unless this was said a month ago or UCF is on a later schedule.

I think you'll find all of that info on the school specific discussion thread for UCF

 

[Dr. Scribe]

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(% next to verified is overall acceptance rate)


UCF has primary screening prior to secondaries and has rolling admissions
(see https://med.ucf.edu/media/2012/08/2016-2017-MD-Program-Student-Bulletin.pdf)
Normal timing:
Assume minimum 2 weeks for secondary turnaround with screening
Assume minimum 2 weeks for application evaluation
Assume minimum 1-2 weeks adcom review for possible II
Additional: bottom of queue for all: add at least 2 weeks
So minimum 6 weeks total time before you sit in front of adcom for possible II

Normal timeline:
July 1st: Applications transmitted, screened, secondaries soon after, evals start
August 15th (+/- 2 weeks) : sufficient evals in place, adcoms start meeting to review and issue II
Sept 15th (+/- 2 weeks) : At least 80% of all applications received and in some stage of processing (4000)
Oct 15th: First acceptances are issues, at least 80% of application likely complete (4000)
Nov 1: I would guess anywhere from 60% to 80% of application have been reviewed or in queue for adcom review
Nov 15th-20th: last adcom meeting before thanksgiving; 80% of application decided on for II; typical focus transition from pre II review to post II decision

So if you apply today, it would take a fair amount of luck to get into that last adcom meeting, at which at least some 4000 applications have already been reviewed ahead of you for the 435 slots for II. Assuming "high quality" candidates were pulled in early, by this point some 90%+ of II are given out .

If we project from the UMich data, Sept and beyond applicants, get interviewed at 1/3 the rate as do early applicants, you are looking at a 4% chance of getting an interview and about 1.75% of being accepted. The additional risk is not being accepted and then being a reapplicant the next cycle

Everything you've said makes sense. I think we were talking about two different scenarios. I was saying that the majority of IIs haven't been given out as of right now and you were saying that by the time someone who applies right now passes through all of the hoops to determine if he/she is II worthy, the majority of IIs will have been given out. Right?

 

[Dr. Scribe]

No I am saying that essentially Interview Invites "season" is essentially 12 weeks (Aug 15 to Nov 15), its is "front loaded" (earlier, higher ranked candidates get II at higher rate) , and data shows significant drop off as in II rate as cycle goes on, All in all, a majority (ie 50%+) have handed out and by the time you get to that point, there will few left

Well poop, I haven't gotten any IIs yet :/

I applied in Mid-Aug to Early Sept though...do you think 518/3.7 would count as higher ranked for state schools?

 

[Dr. Scribe]

What state is that? State of California? New Mexico? State of Confusion? State of the Union? Now state your full name and do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I suggest that you will be in this state of perpetual worry and stress until you get answer, so in the opinion of this court, so CTFO

Florida 😉