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***NOW UPDATED WITH THE 2019 MSAR***
  • The new MSAR values are given at the top of each school's description with a heading MSAR 2019. Note that this means using MSAR values released on 2019. They're for class entering fall 2018.

Hi fellow non-Americans,

As noncitizens, we face greater difficulty than Americans - there are schools that flat out reject any international applications, schools that say they accept but never really interview anyone (looking at you, Tufts and Baylor), and schools that are super friendly towards us. Of course, they're all on MSAR, but unless some screams MSAR at you you won't look at it. It took me a while to come up with a list via MSAR, supplanted with wisdoms of reddit and SDN. I'm now writing to share that with you so you won't have to go through same process. Everything here is based on 2017 MSAR, and things can change. So go buy that MSAR and start looking at it!

Applying is just one aspect. There's also the financial problem - US MD schools are quite expensive, and we can't get federal financial aid. No FAFSA for us. Probably don't have a cosigner to get private loans, too. So unless you can come up with a brilliant way to fund half a million dollars, your acceptance is going to be rescinded. That's not nice - so something definitely to think about before applying to 40 schools. There are schools that will provide some sort of funding - loans, grants - to non-Americans, but there aren't that many. Keep this in mind before sending your application. Ontarians can take OSAP and loans with co-signer from CIBC, RBC, TD, etc for max $250,000 CDN and ~$40,000 OSAP. No clue about other provinces.

Quoting @Goro, International students need to be Harvard/Stanford calibre. While this may be an exaggeration (sorta), do keep in mind that if there is another American candidate that's exact replica of us, he/she will probably get in over us. Higher stats, ECs are expected from us. Sucks, but that's life. Also doesn't help that most of international-friendly schools are clustered near the top.


Few quick points:
  • Public schools are less likely to take in internationals than Americans. Go for private. Kentucky loving Canadians is a notable exception to this.
  • Top schools are more likely to take in internationals AND give financial aid.
  • Forget about Texas and California.
  • Schools taking 1 international students are excluded on this list. Quoting @gyngyn, they're likely to be inside candidates. He recommends 3 or above. There are couple schools taking 1-2 internationals on this list, though it's mostly because they've taken more in the past.
  • When it says 'no Aid', its for Canadian/Internationals. Not for Americans.
  • When it says 90hr/1yr/Bachelors required, that's for International students outside of US/Canada. If you're Canadian or internationals student who went to US undergrad, dont need to worry about this.
  • US Permanent Residents = US Citizens
  • DACA = for the most part, international students
  • Thos with CoA ??? = I couldn't find the total cost of attendance. I might've written total tuition costs next to it.
  • Also keep in mind that CoA is just an estimate!


Schools providing Financial Aid:
These schools are willing to provide some form of financial aid to international/Canadian students, whether in forms of Loans or Grants. Mostly rich schools high up in the ladder.



Columbia (Vagelos)
  • MSAR 2019: 3.89/520, 4 International Matriculants (474 app / 31 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.87/519, 5 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.87/519, 7 International Matriculants.
  • CoA $380K(!). Has financial aid, although significant amount of it is in loans.
  • Requires 3 full year + Bachelor's degree in USCAN.

Duke
  • MSAR 2019: 3.86/518, 2 International Matriculants (381 app / 53 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.88/519, 0 International Matriculants (!!).
  • MSAR 2017: 3.85/516. 3 International Matriculants.
  • CoA $310K. Has financial aid in forms of Need-based grant.
  • Requires 1 year of post-sec Ed on USCAN.
  • MD/PhD is only for Americans.

Dartmouth (Geisel)
  • MSAR 2019: 3.74/516, 8 (!) International Matriculants (662 app / 48 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.74/515, 4 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.78/515, 5 International matriculants.
  • CoA $344K. States that it can provide 'need-based financial institutional scholarships and loans'.
  • Requires 3yr of post-sec Ed in USCAN.
  • Has a reputation for loving nontrads.

Harvard
  • MSAR 2019: 3.93/520, 16 (!!) International Matriculants (486 app / 44 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.92/519, 6 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.92/518, 16 International matriculants. The most international-friendly school.
  • CoA $370K. Aid is available with a unit loan.
  • 1Yr post-sec ed on USCAN, although states that 'without Bachelor's in US/CAN rarely accepted.'

Mount Sinai (Icahn)
  • MSAR 2019: 3.88/519, 5 International Matriculants (382 app / 20 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.87/519, 5 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.84/519, 4 International matriculants.
  • CoA $290K. Aid is available ($31500/yr) + Merit scholarships. Loans for 3/4th years via Mpower.
  • Will accept international education after evaluation from WES but strongly encourages NA education

Northwestern (Feinberg)
  • MSAR 2019: 3.91/520, 0 International Matriculants (358 app / 19 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.91/520, 0 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.9/519, 3 International matriculants. MSAR says 1, but NW says 3 on its page. wtf?
  • CoA $350K, Aid is available.
  • 3Yr post-sec Ed on USCAN.

Stanford
  • MSAR 2019: 3.93/520, 9 International Matriculants (401 app / 0 (???) interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.86/519, 5 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.89/518, 5 International matriculants.
  • CoA $352K, aid is available in forms of Grants and Loans. Need to show proof of 1 year of tuition.
  • 1Yr post-sec ed on USCAN.

Vanderbilt
  • MSAR 2019: 3.93/521, 4 International Matriculants (335 app / 16 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.91/521, 7 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.9/520, 6 International matriculants.
  • CoA $350K, aid is available.
  • 'Recommend' 1yr Post-sec ed on USCAN.

Yale
  • MSAR 2019: 3.92/522, 8 International Matriculants (480 app / 39 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.88/521, 11 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.89/518, 10 International matriculants.
  • CoA $355K, aid is available with a unit loan.
  • 3Yr post-sec Ed on USCAN.

Johns Hopkins
  • MSAR 2019: 3.94/521, 7 International Matriculants (617 app / 22 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.94/520, 8 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.92/519, 9 international matriculants.
  • CoA $320K, aid is available.
  • 1yr post-sec Ed on USCAN.

Mayo - MN (Alix)
  • MSAR 2019: 3.94/520, 6 International Matriculants (297 app / 27 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.91/517, 0 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.85/513. US/Canadians only. 2 Canadian matriculants. Only for MN - AZ/FL dont take Canadians.
  • CoA 330K. Aid available per current Canadian student


Schools that won't provide Financial Aid/Canadian Only:
These schools will only accept Canadian applicants in additions to usual Americans. They will not provide any forms of financial aid. Some may have escrow requirement.


George Washington
  • MSAR 2019: 3.79/513, 4 International Matriculants (731 app / 26 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.72/511, 4 Canadian Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.72/511, super low-yield chool. 2 Canadian matriculants.
  • CoA $320K(??). No aid available.
  • Has a weird 'special International MD program' for international students, designed for said students to leave US and practice in their home country. Probably not something you're looking for. Regular MD is only for US/Canadians.

Michigan State - Public
  • MSAR 2019: 3.71/508, 2 International Matriculants (499 app / 3 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.68/507, 3 Canadian Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.71/507. US/Canadians only. 3 Canadian matriculants.
  • CoA $330K. No aid available


Maryland- Public
  • MSAR 2019: 3.83/514, 2 Canadian Matriculants (188 app / 14 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.84/513, 3 Canadian Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.85/515. US/Canadians only. 2 Canadian matriculants.
  • CoA $380K (!) No aid available.

Virginia Commonwealth - Public
  • MSAR 2019: 3.78/512, 5 Canadian Matriculants (296 app / 0(!!) interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.74/511, 2 Canadian Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.74/511. Super low-yield. 4 Canadian matriculants.
  • CoA $275K. Canadians are essentially considered as OOS Americans. No aid available.

Wayne State
  • MSAR 2019: 3.74/510, 9 International Matriculants (662 app / 65 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.74/509, 18 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.76/508. US/Canadians, and any international student who went to Wayne State as undergrad. 8 International matriculants.
  • CoA $350K. No aid available.

Central Michigan - Public
  • MSAR 2019: 3.71/509, 3 International Matriculants (587 app / 0 (!!) interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.74/506, 4 Canadian Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.7/504, US/Canadians only. 5 Canadian matriculants.
  • CoA $384K(!!) the most expensive school on the list.
  • Wants ties to Central Michigan. Being in Canada doesn't count.




Schools that won't provide Financial Aid:
These schools will consider all international applications, but will not provide any forms of Financial aid. Some may have escrow requirement.


Boston
  • MSAR 2019: 3.84/518, 6 International Matriculants (647 app / 62 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.83/518, 11 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.81/516, 11 International Matriculants. Low-yield school.
  • CoA $350K. No financial aid.
  • Requires 2 year of post-secondary education + prerequisites done in US/CAN.

Emory
  • MSAR 2019: 3.8/515, 5 International Matriculants (453 app / 17interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.79/515, 3 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.79/515, 4 international matriculants.
  • CoA $320K. No financial aid.
  • Requires 32hr of science coursework on USCAN.

Georgetown
  • MSAR 2019: 3.79/513, 4 International Matriculants (731 app / 26 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.8/513, 9 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.74/512, 5 international matriculants. Super low-yield.
  • CoA $370K. No financial Aid.
  • Needs foreign transcript evaluated.

Medical College of Wisconsin
  • MSAR 2019: 3.74/510, 4 International Matriculants (434 app / 14 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.79/511, 4 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.76/515, 1 international matriculants.
  • CoA $275K. No financial aid. Requires document supporting your ability to pay up $254K.
  • 90hr of ed on USCAN. Casper required.
  • Wants to see shadowing. Canadians beware

New York Medical College
  • MSAR 2019: 3.67/512, 4 International Matriculants (619 app / 11 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.63/511, 4 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.65/512. 4 international matriculants. No secondary = super low yield.
  • CoA ???. No financial aid. Escrow requirement of $239K.
  • Prereqs must be done on USCAN. Bachelors' strongly recommended.

Penn State
  • MSAR 2019: 3.81/511, 2 International Matriculants (580 app / 9 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.82/510, 2 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.82/509. 1 International matriculants.
  • CoA $285K. No financial aid.
  • All prereq must be done on USCAN.

Penn (Perelman)
  • MSAR 2019: 3.92/521, 2 International Matriculants (366 app / 13 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.88/520, 1 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.87/518. 6 International matriculants.
  • CoA ???, Tuition only is $240K. No Financial Aid. Gives good amount of scholarships but disappointing from such a rich school :(
  • 1yr ed on USCAN.

Pittsburgh
  • MSAR 2019: 3.87/517, 3 International Matriculants (346 app / 9 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.86/517, 3 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.85/515. 3 International matriculants.
  • CoA $330K. Escrow requirement of 2-yr tuition. No financial aid.
  • 1yr + prereqs done on USCAN.

Saint Louis University
  • MSAR 2019: 3.91/514, 14 International Matriculants (483 app / 63 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.89/513, 12 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.87/512. 11 International matriculants.
  • CoA $295K. Escrow requirement of $210K. No aid.
  • Requires TOEFL or SAT as test of English proficiency.

Jefferson (Sidney Kimmel)
  • MSAR 2019: 3.75/514, 8 International Matriculants (617 app / 22 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.74/514, 5 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.75/512. 9 International matriculants. Super low-yield.
  • CoA $308K. No Aid available.
  • Requires Bachelors from USCAN.

SUNY-Upstate - Public
  • MSAR 2019: 3.79/514, 7 International Matriculants (463 app / 23 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.73/513, 7 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.75/512. 8 International matriculants.
  • CoA $367K. No aid available.
  • Requires 90hr post-sec ed on USCNA.
  • Likes Canadians

SUNY-Stony Brook (Renaissance) - Public
  • MSAR 2019: 3.84/516, 16 International Matriculants (379 app / 39 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.82/514, 9 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.8/514. 3 International matriculants.
  • CoA $370K. Needs 'Affidavit of support' for this amount.
  • 1yr post-sec ed on USCAN.

Tulane
  • MSAR 2019: 3.64/512, 8 International Matriculants (627 app / 15 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.64/511, 4 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.62/511. 5 International matriculants.
  • CoA $355K. No aid available.
  • Casper required.

Hawaii (Burns) - Public
  • MSAR 2019: 3.82/513, 2 International Matriculants (194 app / 18 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.82/513, 2 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.76/510. 2 International matriculants.
  • CoA ?? No aid available.
  • Prereqs recommended to be done on USCAN.

Kentucky - Public
  • MSAR 2019: 3.79/508, 1 International Matriculants (287 app / 8 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.83/511, 6 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.82/512. 8 International matriculants. Known to love Canadians.
  • CoA $371K. No aid available. Need document supporting ability to pay 2 yr tuition.
  • 1yr on USCAN.
  • Application status changed from 'accepting all Canadians/Internationals' to 'Case-by-Case' for all Int/Canadian applications. Not sure of the consequence.

Virginia - Public
  • MSAR 2019: 3.93/519, 2 International Matriculants (295 app / 20 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.91/519, 8 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.9/518. 2 International matriculants. According to my advisor's medical handbook, they treat Canadians like OOS Americans.
  • CoA 335K.
  • 90hr on USCAN or UK.

Washington University @ STL
  • MSAR 2019: 3.93/522, 10 International Matriculants (312 app / 78 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.91/521, 9 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.89/521. 8 International matriculants.
  • CoA 335K. Escrow requirement. No need-based aid available (Merit aid is).
  • 90hr on USCAN.

Cornell (Weill)
  • MSAR 2019: 3.9/519, 0 International Matriculants (385 app / 26 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.87/519, 2 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.78/519. 5 International matriculants.
  • CoA $355K. Escrow requirement. No aid available.

Lona Linda
  • MSAR 2019: 3.88/509, 13 International Matriculants (406 app / 22 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.83/508, 17 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.86/508. 10 International matriculants. For SDA, super devout Christians.
  • DO NOT APPLY IF YOUR FAITH DOESNT MATCH UP (SUPER DEVOUT CHRISTIAN)
  • CoA ??? $225K tuition only. No aid available.
  • 1yr on USCAN.

Howard
  • MSAR 2019: 3.51/504, 10 International Matriculants (626 app / 17 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.45/502, 5 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.41/502. 9 International matriculant. HBCU.
  • CoA $304K. No aid available.
  • 68hr on USCAN.

Case Western / CCLCM
  • MSAR 2019: 3.83/518, 2 International Matriculants (220 app / 2 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.82/518, 7 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: did not accept Internationals
  • 3.81/517.
  • CoA $356K. No need-based aid, though Merit Aid is possible. CCLCM covers everything.

UCLA
  • MSAR 2019: 3.88/518, 3 International Matriculants (702 app / 16 interviewed)
  • MSAR 2018: 3.85/517, 9 International Matriculants
  • MSAR 2017: 3.79/508. 2 International matriculants.
  • Their MCAT went from 508 to 517, so..yeah. big jump there.
  • No Escrow, but No financial aid either. Eligible for Geffen and another full-tuition merit scholarship. Thanks @mikooz!


***NOW ACCEPTING INTERNATIONALS***

Meharry

  • MSAR 2019: 3.54/502, 10 International Matriculants (336 app / 3 interviewed)
  • HBCU!

West Virginia
  • MSAR 2019: 3.86/509, 3 International Matriculants (317 app / 19 interviewed)
  • Random addition to the international list


***HALL OF SHAME OF BARRICADING INTERNATIONALS GOING FORWARD***


Albert Einstein College of Medicine

  • NOT ACCEPTING CANADIAN/INTERNATIONAL APPLICANTS FOR 2019-2020 CYCLE!
  • MSAR 2018: 3.82/515, 5 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.83/516, 5 International Matriculants.
  • CoA $290K. Has an escrow requirement: 2 year for Non-Canadians, half of 1 year tuition for Canadians.
  • Financial aid is available through Einstein Scholarship and College Loan Funds.
  • Requires 1 year post-secondary education in US/Canada.

NYU Langone
  • NOT ACCEPTING CANADIAN/INTERNATIONAL APPLICANTS GOING FORWARD!
  • MSAR 2018: 3.92/521, 0 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.9/520. Not just Canadians, but also Canadian PRs. Maybe this is why there are other non-Canadians in their MSAR. 2 International matriculants.
  • Willing to provide Merit scholarships but no other forms of Financial Aid.
  • CoA 335K (4yr pathway) . No aid available.

Rosalind Franklin
  • NOT ACCEPTING CANADIAN/INTERNATIONAL APPLICANTS GOING FORWARD!
  • MSAR 2018: 3.62/518, 9 International Matriculants.
  • MSAR 2017: 3.63/511, 8 International Matriculants. Low-yield school.
  • CoA $300K. No financial aid. Needs Casper.
  • Requires 90hr of post-sec Ed on USCAN.

Oakland Beaumont


***We Hate Internationals But We Love That $weet $econdary Fee!***
In other words, applying to these schools is a waste of your precious secondary fee.

  • Baylor
  • East Tennessee
  • USC (Keck)
  • Louisiana,
  • McGovern,
  • Morehouse,
  • NEOMED,
  • Rutgers (both of them),
  • All Texas schools (+Baylor)
  • Brown,
  • Tufts,
  • all PR schools,
  • Arizona,
  • All UCs EXCEPT UCLA,
  • Chicago (Pritzker),
  • Colorado,
  • Connecticut,
  • Illinois,
  • Louisville,
  • UNC Chapel Hill,
  • Utah

2019 Analysis:

  • Sadly (or SAD! in American way), three schools dropped out of international-friendly list: NYU, Einstein, and Rosalind Franklin. I heard Einstein might re-open their doors to internationals (like Case did last year), but not sure for the other two. SAD!
  • BUT Meharry and West Virginia joins the list of admitting 3+ internationals/class for this year. Yay!
  • Note on Meharry and Howard: Know that these two are HBCU, or historically black college. 90%+ of their classes are black or African American. If you aren't member of the target group, then your application likely won't be considered. Just something to consider before paying the secondary fee.
  • Harvard, Stanford, Yale, SLU, Loma Lida, and SLU remained as the most international-friendly schools of America for this year. But that rise in Stony Brook is impressive. Wonder what happened?
  • In contrast, the drop in numbers for Boston, UCLA, Virginia and Wayne (although still lots) is disappointing.
  • The discrepancy in # interviews and # acceptance for Stanford, VCU and CMED is confusing. No idea what happened.
That's it - good luck with your applicaiton!




That's it. MSAR says 71 schools are willing to take International/Canadian applications. After some analysis, the list comes down to 42 for Canadians and 33 for internationals.
  • There are schools that have taken more in the fast - ie. Utah took in 3 internationals 2015-2016. They aren't included in this list as none made it last year with only 5 interviews. Or schools like Duke that took a couple for 2016 but none for 2017.
  • Schools not listed here and listed 'accepts International/Canadian applications' are likely to just shred your application and take your $$ as donations.
  • Chicago (Pritzker) apparently 'used' to be int-friendly. None made it for class matriculating 2016. Your call.

Wrote this up while dodging my PI's smoldering gaze at me, so there may be typos here and there. Point them out and I'd be happy to fix them up. Feel free to rip me apart if something's not true, and good luck.

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Good post!
I'm an international with LizzyM 70-71?ish and applied super late and got accepted to US MD this cycle.
I have many friends who have been through the same process.
We definitely don't need to be Harvard/Stanford standard, but as we don't have state schools it is definitely much much much harder for us, maybe a little less so for Canadians but definitely for non-Canadian internationals.
It is a hard journey. But I do believe my fellow intl kids yall are making the right decision to become a physician.
Good luck to you all!!!
If you guys have any questions-->PM me I will be happy to help!
 
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UCLA accept some internationals also so don't exclude all calia schools lol
 
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UCLA accept some internationals also so don't exclude all calia schools lol
Geffen matriculated 2 last year...
If you eliminate Loma Linda (mission based), and combine all internationals in CA the grand total would be 7.
2 at UCLA and 5 at Stanford.
 
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What about West Virginia? According to MSAR and my google sheets, it has the highest international interviewed/international applicants ratio in the nation (25.3%). But out of the 48 International they interviewed, they had 0 matriculated. Is it because the school didn't accept anyone or people just turned down their acceptances?
 
Good post!
I'm an international with LizzyM 70-71?ish and applied super late and got accepted to US MD this cycle.
I have many friends who have been through the same process.
We definitely don't need to be Harvard/Stanford standard, but as we don't have state schools it is definitely much much much harder for us, maybe a little less so for Canadians but definitely for non-Canadian internationals.
It is a hard journey. But I do believe my fellow intl kids yall are making the right decision to become a physician.
Good luck to you all!!!
If you guys have any questions-->PM me I will be happy to help!
Hey! Thanks for a very cheering comment! How late did you apply?
 
Wash U has merit scholarship for internationals
 
Geffen matriculated 2 last year...
If you eliminate Loma Linda (mission based), and combine all internationals in CA the grand total would be 7.
2 at UCLA and 5 at Stanford.

Are you talking about 2017 entering class?
 
The most recent data from the AAMC.
@gyngyn Thank you for all your help you provide on SDN! I just wanted to ask you whether a candidate (me), with 74 LizzyM score, would have any chances at the top schools, given early app submission, an engaging personal statement and 4 years of neurosurgery research, but without publications?
 
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@gyngyn Thank you for all your help you provide on SDN! I just wanted to ask you whether a candidate (me), with 74 LizzyM score, would have any chances at the top schools, given early app submission, an engaging personal statement and 4 years of neurosurgery research, but without publications?
Yes, but you have to apply to all schools that might accept you to stand a good chance.
 
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The most recent data from the AAMC, MSAR.

I see.. idk which class MSAR is actually reporting on but from anecdotal evidence we have at least 5 international students at geffen for 2017 entering class
 
I see.. idk which class MSAR is actually reporting on but from anecdotal evidence we have at least 5 international students at geffen for 2017 entering class
You can only believe the MSAR.
Everything else is "self reported."
 
You can only believe the MSAR.
Everything else is "self reported."

right, I'm not saying MSAR is wrong just its data is on the current MS2 class. I know the other international students in my class and there are >2 of us...

(All i'm saying is that Geffen shouldn't be excluded)
 
right, I'm not saying MSAR is wrong just its data is on the current MS2 class. I know the other international students in my class and there are >2 of us...

(All i'm saying is that Geffen shouldn't be excluded)
When the new MSAR is released, we'll all be glad to see the results.
 
What about West Virginia? According to MSAR and my google sheets, it has the highest international interviewed/international applicants ratio in the nation (25.3%). But out of the 48 International they interviewed, they had 0 matriculated. Is it because the school didn't accept anyone or people just turned down their acceptances?

Interesting case - but I'm leaning towards former. It's a public school, and judging by that most of these international-friendly schools actually matriculated international students, i don't think every accepted international turning down WVU is likely, although possible. afaik it didn't accept any two years ago as well.

Wash U has merit scholarship for internationals

Thanks!

I haven’t read the comments but there should be a way to differentiate Canadians with the rest. Some schools show that they accept 10 internationals but in reality most if not all are Canadians only which is confusing and a waste of money/time for internationals.

It'd be great if that happens - MSAR used to not have filter for Canadian two years ago. Perhaps they'll get better.

right, I'm not saying MSAR is wrong just its data is on the current MS2 class. I know the other international students in my class and there are >2 of us...

I know Northwestern is also like this (0 in MSAR, 7 on their website)



Also, Case Western / CCLCM is now accepting Internationals for next cycle. Don't know what's up with them bouncing back and forth.
 
Dear @gyngyn
Sorry for bothering you again. My question is out of the topic, but some people might find this useful.
Is it fine to have all the recommendation letters co-signed? For example, a letter from my research Supervisor will be co-signed by my research Partner, a letter from my clinical internship from a Physician will be co-signed by a Senior Resident, and it was their wish to do that, also I really appreciate their attitude. I also appreciate your advice on SDN, your words are gems. Thank you! :)
 
Dear @gyngyn
Sorry for bothering you again. My question is out of the topic, but some people might find this useful.
Is it fine to have all the recommendation letters co-signed? For example, a letter from my research Supervisor will be co-signed by my research Partner, a letter from my clinical internship from a Physician will be co-signed by a Senior Resident, and it was their wish to do that, also I really appreciate their attitude. I also appreciate your advice on SDN, your words are gems. Thank you! :)
Yes, it is fine.
 
Added the numbers coming from MSAR 2018! Average stats have gone up across all applicants, and that means numbers also went up for our int-friendly schools. Also, international matriculation numbers have dropped in about half the schools (ie. Harvard's 16->6, Jeff's 9->5, Penn's 6->1, etc). Total number actually increase, however, as the other half remained same or increased, with some big jumps (Loma Linda's 10->17, Stony Brook's 3->9, Virginia's 2->8, Wayne State's 8->18).

Also UCLA enters the list with whopping 9 internationals. Kudos to @medDaisuki
 
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Added the numbers coming from MSAR 2018! Average stats have gone up across all applicants, and that means numbers also went up for our int-friendly schools. Also, international matriculation numbers have dropped in about half the schools (ie. Harvard's 16->6, Jeff's 9->5, Penn's 6->1, etc). Total number actually increase, however, as the other half remained same or increased, with some big jumps (Loma Linda's 10->17, Stony Brook's 3->9, Virginia's 2->8, Wayne State's 8->18).

Also UCLA enters the list with whopping 9 internationals. Kudos to @medDaisuki
Yale’s mcat rocketed from 517 to 521 this year, so it is also worth to check out new stats data
 
Just wanted to say that I'm available if anyone has any questions about the process of applying as a Canadian!
 
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Good post!
I'm an international with LizzyM 70-71?ish and applied super late and got accepted to US MD this cycle.
I have many friends who have been through the same process.
We definitely don't need to be Harvard/Stanford standard, but as we don't have state schools it is definitely much much much harder for us, maybe a little less so for Canadians but definitely for non-Canadian internationals.
It is a hard journey. But I do believe my fellow intl kids yall are making the right decision to become a physician.
Good luck to you all!!!
If you guys have any questions-->PM me I will be happy to help!
Hi! Can I still pm you? Applying this cycle with Lizzy ~ 73:D
 
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Do you think an international student with a disciplinary action, 502 MCAT and 3.84 in Biochem can get into medical school?
 
Does anybody know if international/Canadian applicants are viewed later than US students during review/II process?
 
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UPDATED using data for 2019 MSAR. Should've done this six months ago but totally forgot about it, so my apologies! This probably won't be helpful for people applying this year (if you didn't submit secondaries by now, that's unfortunate) but might be useful going forward. Even if you did accept, I guess uh..use it to see if you wasted your money or if your investment has been rightfully made. Good luck.

2019 Analysis:
  • Sadly (or SAD! in American way), three schools dropped out of international-friendly list: NYU, Einstein, and Rosalind Franklin. I heard Einstein might re-open their doors to internationals (like Case did last year), but not sure for the other two. SAD!
  • BUT Meharry and West Virginia joins the list of admitting 3+ internationals/class for this year. Yay!
  • Note on Meharry and Howard: Know that these two are HBCU, or historically black college. 90%+ of their classes are black or African American. If you aren't member of the target group, then your application likely won't be considered. Just something to consider before paying the secondary fee.
  • Harvard, Stanford, Yale, SLU, Loma Lida, and SLU remained as the most international-friendly schools of America for this year. But that rise in Stony Brook is impressive. Wonder what happened?
  • In contrast, the drop in numbers for Boston, UCLA, Virginia and Wayne (although still lots) is disappointing.
  • The discrepancy in # interviews and # acceptance for Stanford, VCU and CMED is confusing. No idea what happened.
 
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