For those with a few years between college and med school

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Is anyone else worried that they don't have that old "drive" to study hard anymore? I took my last college courses 3 years ago, and it was during grad school, so I was only taking 2 classes at a time (along with research and TA-ing credits). So the last time I had a heavy class load was in 2001! 😱 Now that med school is looming I'm worried I won't have the stones to work hard and do what it takes to get through med school. Please tell me someone else out there is having these apprehentions. 😉 Don't get me wrong. I ultimately feel that I'll get through just fine. I guess I'm looking for some validation/comiseration. 🙂
 
Khenon said:
Is anyone else worried that they don't have that old "drive" to study hard anymore? I took my last college courses 3 years ago, and it was during grad school, so I was only taking 2 classes at a time (along with research and TA-ing credits). So the last time I had a heavy class load was in 2001! 😱 Now that med school is looming I'm worried I won't have the stones to work hard and do what it takes to get through med school. Please tell me someone else out there is having these apprehentions. 😉 Don't get me wrong. I ultimately feel that I'll get through just fine. I guess I'm looking for some validation/comiseration. 🙂

You know,

I'm worried too. It's been a really long time. I graduated with my MS in 2001 (B.S. in 1998). But I figure study skills are like bike-riding skills... Even if its been a while, you'll be able to handle it pretty quickly. And anyway, we'll probably be so busy studying that we won't have time to wonder whether or not we have the drive to study. 🙂

I had this dream last night that I was forced to miss my anatomy final (my first final in med school). But somehow, I still got a 96 on it which earned me a "pass". I felt like celebrating! I think the dream meant that I shouldn't stress too much about getting back into the swing of things.
 
Khenon said:
Is anyone else worried that they don't have that old "drive" to study hard anymore? I took my last college courses 3 years ago, and it was during grad school, so I was only taking 2 classes at a time (along with research and TA-ing credits). So the last time I had a heavy class load was in 2001! 😱 Now that med school is looming I'm worried I won't have the stones to work hard and do what it takes to get through med school. Please tell me someone else out there is having these apprehentions. 😉 Don't get me wrong. I ultimately feel that I'll get through just fine. I guess I'm looking for some validation/comiseration. 🙂

Well...I felt the same way you did. It was about 15 year break between undergrad and med school. Wasn't sure how quickly I would come back into the studying groove. The pucker factor motivated me, and I got through in one piece. Wasn't alot of fun the 1st 2 years, but I did alright.

It's good that you're thinking about this, and I think that will help you to stay motivated during school. You too will get through it!!

Wook
 
Khenon said:
Is anyone else worried that they don't have that old "drive" to study hard anymore? I took my last college courses 3 years ago, and it was during grad school, so I was only taking 2 classes at a time (along with research and TA-ing credits). So the last time I had a heavy class load was in 2001! 😱 Now that med school is looming I'm worried I won't have the stones to work hard and do what it takes to get through med school. Please tell me someone else out there is having these apprehentions. 😉 Don't get me wrong. I ultimately feel that I'll get through just fine. I guess I'm looking for some validation/comiseration. 🙂
Take things one day at a time, one task at a time. If you think of everything you have to do, you will be overwhelmed. But if you look at it in smaller pieces, you will find it more manageable. I think that everyone feels overwhelmed when they start medical school just because of the sheer volume of material you have to learn. And yet somehow, nearly everyone manages to pass their classes, and pass the boards, and go on to become practicing physicians. Chances are excellent that you will, too, as long as you work hard and don't give up. :luck:
 
Aaaaahhhh. I feel much better. 😀 Thanks everyone, for the encouraging words. I'm definitely going to be reading over this thread several times for the next few months.
 
Khenon said:
Is anyone else worried that they don't have that old "drive" to study hard anymore? I took my last college courses 3 years ago, and it was during grad school, so I was only taking 2 classes at a time (along with research and TA-ing credits). So the last time I had a heavy class load was in 2001! 😱 Now that med school is looming I'm worried I won't have the stones to work hard and do what it takes to get through med school. Please tell me someone else out there is having these apprehentions. 😉 Don't get me wrong. I ultimately feel that I'll get through just fine. I guess I'm looking for some validation/comiseration. 🙂

Hi there,
Medical school has a way of picking you up and carrying you along. You will ramp up or throttle down your study time based on what you find that you need. There's a huge amount of material to digest and learn for your courses so be prepared to put in the time but most people adjust to the huge volume just fine.

The good thing is that medical school courses are pretty interesting. Getting through is a process and you start to see the point of what you are learning pretty quickly. The other good thing is that most of your course work is relevant for Boards and the wards. When you get to third year, your attendings and chief residents will "pimp" you on the pre-clinical stuff. While the "pimp" sessions may seem painful, as you move along, you see the point to what they are asking you.

I had about a 50-minute attention span. I set a kitchen timer for 50-minutes and then for 10-minutes, which was my break. If something was bothering me, I would write it down on an index card and think about it during my break. My break would be used for things like getting a drink or taking a short walk to clear my head. I would never sit for hours going over the same thing because my mind was not as efficient after 50 minutes.

I kept a large bottle of water on my study table (our library would allow water bottles with sport cap and covered coffee mugs). This kept me from getting dehydrated. I also studied in a room with a large chalkboard for making concept diagrams.

Resist the urge to complain. Complaining only prolongs what you have to do anyway and gets nothing solved. If you feel the need to point out a problem with something, be prepared to offer at least two solutions to the problem. Some of your classmates are going to whine about the workload but always remember that there are plenty of people who would love to be in your shoes. Don't whine or complain. It's not professional.

I listened to my own study tapes on the subway and had index cards of memorization things for studying while waiting in line etc. The trick to the index card is to keep them short and mark off stuff as you get it mastered. I kept a very strict study schedule and took most of Saturday or Sunday off but I studied something everyday. My grades reflected my disciplined study.

I would pre-view my next days lecture material in the syllabus making notes about the things that were important. I would do any text reading before the lecture and then take notes in the syllabus or on the powerpoint handout. After the lecture, I would fill in any gaps. I would study that day's lecture materials in the evenings and pre-view for the next day. If I missed a day, I would catch up on the weekend.

For Gross Anatomy: I would pre-view the structures and make a list of everything that we would have to find by reading the dissector. I would then study the appropriate plates in the Netter atlas so I would have an idea of where to find things. I would make sketchs in my dissector as to how things looked on my cadaver and on other cadaver.

My Gross Anatomy tank group would assign two hours of dissection outside of lab so that we completed our dissections. We worked in groups of two (one to hold the atlas and one to actually dissect). Those two people would teach the structures to the rest of the tank. (Any uncompleted dissections would be dissected by the faculty and immediately labeled for the exam practical so it was in your best interests to completely dissect any regions that were to be tested.

If anyone was struggling in Gross Anatomy, I would spend time teaching them. I spent many weekends in the Gross lab holding tutorials. I helped any of my classmates that had trouble and was a peer tutor for Biochemistry, Gross Anatomy, Immuno, Path and Physiology. By helping each other, it helped to cement the learning for me. I also wanted my classmates to do as well as possible since I would be referring my patients to them in the future.

Medical school is a ton of work but as I said above, it is all pretty interesting. The years move fast and soon you are standing in line to graduate and you are amazed that you got it all done. It is very, very different from graduate or undergraduate school and more like boot camp. In order to graduate, you all have to go over the wall. Some people clear the wall by six feet and some scrape their rears ends on the way over but you all have to go over the wall. Sometimes, you have to stand back and help a classmate or two clear the wall but the best experiences come with you do that.

Good luck!
njbmd 🙂
 
njbmd said:
Hi there,
Medical school has a way of picking you up and carrying you along. You will ramp up or throttle down your study time based on what you find that you need. There's a huge amount of material to digest and learn for your courses so be prepared to put in the time but most people adjust to the huge volume just fine.

The good thing is that medical school courses are pretty interesting. Getting through is a process and you start to see the point of what you are learning pretty quickly. The other good thing is that most of your course work is relevant for Boards and the wards. When you get to third year, your attendings and chief residents will "pimp" you on the pre-clinical stuff. While the "pimp" sessions may seem painful, as you move along, you see the point to what they are asking you.

I had about a 50-minute attention span. I set a kitchen timer for 50-minutes and then for 10-minutes, which was my break. If something was bothering me, I would write it down on an index card and think about it during my break. My break would be used for things like getting a drink or taking a short walk to clear my head. I would never sit for hours going over the same thing because my mind was not as efficient after 50 minutes.

I kept a large bottle of water on my study table (our library would allow water bottles with sport cap and covered coffee mugs). This kept me from getting dehydrated. I also studied in a room with a large chalkboard for making concept diagrams.

Resist the urge to complain. Complaining only prolongs what you have to do anyway and gets nothing solved. If you feel the need to point out a problem with something, be prepared to offer at least two solutions to the problem. Some of your classmates are going to whine about the workload but always remember that there are plenty of people who would love to be in your shoes. Don't whine or complain. It's not professional.

I listened to my own study tapes on the subway and had index cards of memorization things for studying while waiting in line etc. The trick to the index card is to keep them short and mark off stuff as you get it mastered. I kept a very strict study schedule and took most of Saturday or Sunday off but I studied something everyday. My grades reflected my disciplined study.

I would pre-view my next days lecture material in the syllabus making notes about the things that were important. I would do any text reading before the lecture and then take notes in the syllabus or on the powerpoint handout. After the lecture, I would fill in any gaps. I would study that day's lecture materials in the evenings and pre-view for the next day. If I missed a day, I would catch up on the weekend.

For Gross Anatomy: I would pre-view the structures and make a list of everything that we would have to find by reading the dissector. I would then study the appropriate plates in the Netter atlas so I would have an idea of where to find things. I would make sketchs in my dissector as to how things looked on my cadaver and on other cadaver.

My Gross Anatomy tank group would assign two hours of dissection outside of lab so that we completed our dissections. We worked in groups of two (one to hold the atlas and one to actually dissect). Those two people would teach the structures to the rest of the tank. (Any uncompleted dissections would be dissected by the faculty and immediately labeled for the exam practical so it was in your best interests to completely dissect any regions that were to be tested.

If anyone was struggling in Gross Anatomy, I would spend time teaching them. I spent many weekends in the Gross lab holding tutorials. I helped any of my classmates that had trouble and was a peer tutor for Biochemistry, Gross Anatomy, Immuno, Path and Physiology. By helping each other, it helped to cement the learning for me. I also wanted my classmates to do as well as possible since I would be referring my patients to them in the future.

Medical school is a ton of work but as I said above, it is all pretty interesting. The years move fast and soon you are standing in line to graduate and you are amazed that you got it all done. It is very, very different from graduate or undergraduate school and more like boot camp. In order to graduate, you all have to go over the wall. Some people clear the wall by six feet and some scrape their rears ends on the way over but you all have to go over the wall. Sometimes, you have to stand back and help a classmate or two clear the wall but the best experiences come with you do that.

Good luck!
njbmd 🙂

This is such a great post! I also often wonder about demands of med school, and if there will even be time to breathe (and honestly...if I can I handle it). I am sure that everyone views the experience a different way, but reading a post like this does put things into perspective. Thanks for sharing.
 
We had a grad student in my lab ages ago. The guy applied 5 times. The 4th time, he got a reply back from Harvard essentially asking him why he is even trying. Anyway, he obviously got in, and on a dark and stormy night, just before his first day of class at some med school, he calls up my PI and just breaks down and says he doesn't think he can do it.

My PI told him, well just try it out for a quarter, or two, and if you don't like it then you can always drop out. If you don't try it out, you might end up regretting it later. Anyway, the guy tried it out, got his MD, and now he's some faculty at Harvard School of Medicine..lol.

So the moral of the story is, you won't know without trying. But with such an extensive background in academics, including a graduate degree, I think the OP will be fine. People can always adapt, it just a matter of staying positive to get over that first hump🙂.
 
Khenon said:
Is anyone else worried that they don't have that old "drive" to study hard anymore? I took my last college courses 3 years ago, and it was during grad school, so I was only taking 2 classes at a time (along with research and TA-ing credits). So the last time I had a heavy class load was in 2001! 😱 Now that med school is looming I'm worried I won't have the stones to work hard and do what it takes to get through med school. Please tell me someone else out there is having these apprehentions. 😉 Don't get me wrong. I ultimately feel that I'll get through just fine. I guess I'm looking for some validation/comiseration. 🙂

I feel the same way. I am very scared about being able to make it.
 
Khenon said:
Is anyone else worried that they don't have that old "drive" to study hard anymore? I took my last college courses 3 years ago, and it was during grad school, so I was only taking 2 classes at a time (along with research and TA-ing credits). So the last time I had a heavy class load was in 2001! 😱 Now that med school is looming I'm worried I won't have the stones to work hard and do what it takes to get through med school. Please tell me someone else out there is having these apprehentions. 😉 Don't get me wrong. I ultimately feel that I'll get through just fine. I guess I'm looking for some validation/comiseration. 🙂

I'm feeling the same way right now. I haven't taken a formal class since 2002. I'm a little worried about finding the discipline that I used to have as an undergrad and being able to balance my personal and academic life. I had so much less going on in my life back then! I just hope I can find the drive to study hard and focus while being able to put other issues in the back of my mind.

Great post njbmd! I'm definitely going to try out some of your studying strategies 🙂
 
This semester has been a whole new world for me...I hardly EVER studied in undergrad the first time around...Sure, I would cram for tests using study guides, etc...but I don't recall reading ANY of my science textbooks...just used notes. I read for history and philosophy courses...sort of..and was able to get by doing all right.

Now, this semester has taught me what studying is all about with Organic. I've read every chapter we've covered and work problems at least 2-3 nights a week...I've never had to work so hard for something in my academic career, and it's FUN to me.

I will say that I actually look forward to making Med School my full time job. i think it will be great, especially if I'm in a systems based program, because I will actually be "interested". Organic is OK, but far from 'stimulating' to me.
 
Once I was out and returned my grades with through the roof! The break did me good and perhaps even taught me something. Too bad I have to take credit for the other years. Ugh.
 
My thoughts exactly...If i could go back and kick my 19-20 year old self right smack between the eyes, I would...

Paid all that money and put absolutely NO effort into school...and still paying for it, both figuratively and literally.
 
dr.z said:
I feel the same way. I am very scared about being able to make it.

Relax. Only a very small percentage who get in don't make it through (eventually). A lot of folks returning to school after a number of years show up far more enthusiastic and excited to be back in school than their traditional counterparts. But expect there to be a re-learning curve, as you get study habits back into working order, and thus it's not unreasonable to anticipate that a non-trad's first exam or two to be among his/her lowest.
It's hard work, but doable.
 
These are some really great posts guys. Thanks so much.

And that was super insightful, njbmd. I appreciate your effort in giving out all that info.

I've actually "survived" very tough personal and professional situations, including boot camp . . . which was mentioned above, so that was a perfect analogy for me. 🙂 I think what worries me, is that I survived all these things when I was younger. I feel like I had the energy and drive back then, but maybe now I'm too old and tired to deal with the rigors of med school. I know it's not true . . . I'm not THAT old! :laugh:

All the comments have been comforting and helpful though. I'll definitely be keeping alot of these tips in mind when I start in August.

You and me, dr.z. We can do it! 😀
 
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