Forensic neuropsychiatry

[NeuroKlitch]

Was reading about this today on the University of Pennsylvania website today and wow this field sounds incredibly fascinating . What is the pathway to this ? Psych --> neuropsychiatry --> forensic psych ? Or can you just do a fellowship in Just one of the above ? Thanks


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[clausewitz2]

Googled. Found page. Opened page.

Read: "...methodology for lie-detection using functional MRI..."

Closed page.

 

[dl2dp2]

Wow, this is very interesting. Ruben Gur is a very reputable, tier 1 schizophrenia researcher. The fact that he is, perhaps out of need or wants of a more luxurious lifestyle, now directing a "clinical service" (I imagine primarily in soliciting well to do defense/plaintiff teams for consultation in civil litigation), of questionable scientific basis, and I'm 100% sure he's aware of this himself, is pretty telling of the profoundly pathetic state of scientific funding of the current atmosphere.

 

[slappy]

Was reading about this today on the University of Pennsylvania website today and wow this field sounds incredibly fascinating . What is the pathway to this ? Psych --> neuropsychiatry --> forensic psych ? Or can you just do a fellowship in Just one of the above ? Thanks

I have recently learned about this subspeciality, and from what I hear, you're a forensic neuropsychiatrist if you have done both those fellowships. But, some forensic psychiatrists seem to call themselves neuropsychiatrists for some reason (to sound cool?), which is despicable (imo) since when you have a dedicated fellowship with the same title, if you haven't done that fellowship or are board certified in it, you shouldn't call yourself that. I mean, I wouldn't call myself a geriatric psychiatrist because I occasionally see an 80 year old.

 

[Merovinge]

I have recently learned about this subspeciality, and from what I hear, you're a forensic neuropsychiatrist if you have done both those fellowships. But, some forensic psychiatrists seem to call themselves neuropsychiatrists for some reason (to sound cool?), which is despicable (imo) since when you have a dedicated fellowship with the same title, if you haven't done that fellowship or are board certified in it, you shouldn't call yourself that. I mean, I wouldn't call myself a geriatric psychiatrist because I occasionally see an 80 year old.

To be fair psychiatry has a rich history of calling oneself a sub-specialist without any formalized training, people were grandfathered into many different subspecialties. Heck people are still very down on fellowships to this day in contrast to other fields like neurology where they are almost required. I'm not actually sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing but it appears to be a thing.

 

[slappy]

To be fair psychiatry has a rich history of calling oneself a sub-specialist without any formalized training, people were grandfathered into many different subspecialties. Heck people are still very down on fellowships to this day in contrast to other fields like neurology where they are almost required. I'm not actually sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing but it appears to be a thing.

This is a very bizarre post. But you don't know what you are talking about. The vast majority of forensic neuropsychiatrists havetraining in neither; a few more are forensic psychiatrists; the smallest subset are those that are neuropsychiatrists who do medicolegal work. I only know of one person who has trained in both and identifies as a forensic neuropsychiatrist. I identify as a forensic neuropsychiatrist and have trained in forensics. My expertise in neuropsychiatry surpasses 99% of psychiatrists and my research and educational focus is in neuropsychiatry and forensic neuropsychiatry. I teach fellows and law students about neurolaw as well as forensic psychiatrists in practice. As such, I believe it is perfectly legitimate to call myself a forensicneuropsychiatrist unlike many of the quacks out there.

On of the most famous forensic neuropsychiatrists is not even a psychiatrist.

That's the thing. I don't get how a year-long training in forensic psychiatry automatically makes them forensic "neuro"psychiatrists. When there is an accepted accreditation body for neuropsychiatry / behavioral neurology with a specific curriculum that takes ~9.5 months of full-time clinical work to complete (which is usually done over 2-3 years in a fellowship, and is also quite removed from anything forensic), calling yourself (not specifically you) a forensic neuropsychiatrist seems like a sham. Why not call yourself a forensic psychiatrist? What do you gain from adding the word "neuro" to it?

 

[OldPsychDoc]

...What do you gain from adding the word "neuro" to it?

The aura of respectable science?

 

[NeuroKlitch]

I was under the impression that splik has competed a neuropsychiatry fellowship .


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[clausewitz2]

I was under the impression that splik has competed a neuropsychiatry fellowship .


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You should maybe read this thread a little more closely.

 

[notdeadyet]

That's the thing. I don't get how a year-long training in forensic psychiatry automatically makes them forensic "neuro"psychiatrists. When there is an accepted accreditation body for neuropsychiatry / behavioral neurology with a specific curriculum that takes ~9.5 months of full-time clinical work to complete (which is usually done over 2-3 years in a fellowship, and is also quite removed from anything forensic), calling yourself (not specifically you) a forensic neuropsychiatrist seems like a sham. Why not call yourself a forensic psychiatrist? What do you gain from adding the word "neuro" to it?

I'd be extremely cautious throwing around terms like "neuropsychiatry" if you are operating in a forensic context.

Opposing counsel will likely have their own expert, and if they are sharp, they will prep them prior to trial. When you find yourself on the stand, your cross will begin something like this:

LAWYER: So I understand you are a neuropsychiatrist?
YOU: Yes.
LAWYER: Did you complete a neurology residency?
YOU: No, but-
LAWYER: Did you complete a neuropsychiatry fellowship?
YOU: No, but-
LAWYER: Did you hold an ABMS recognized board certification in neuropsychiatry?
YOU: No, but-
LAWYER: So if you have no recognized advanced neuropsychiatry training and hold no special neuropsychiatry qualifications, you are essentially just a psychiatrist who likes the term "neuropsychiatrist"...?
YOU: .....
LAWYER: (eye rolls to the jury) Moving on, doctor...