fraternity expulsion

[doctordoc1990]

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I was expelled from my fraternity. To make a long story short, we had a corrupt chapter adviser, I stood up to him, he got pissed and decided to claim (FALSELY) that I smoked marijuana, and I got expelled because unfortunately fraternities are not courts of law and therefore no proof is required. Anyways, I have decided not to list any of my involvement with the fraternity on my application, which kind of sucks because I had done some things that would look great on my application. Even though I'm innocent of what I was accused of, I don't want to have to deal with the hassle of explaining the whole situation to med schools, because I fear some of them would think I was lying (I feel it's a lot easier to believe one person is lying than that an organization is corrupt). My question is, will they be able to discover any of this information if I list nothing about the fraternity on my application? I've already been through enough unjust b.s. through the fraternity and don't want to have to deal with this injustice possibly affecting my acceptance into med school.

 

[deleted458807]

I dont think they could be able to see it. I think you should list it and even talk about how it was a challenge to stand up by your self in front of a whole organization. Personally I think it shows confidence and ethics. Besides you should get credit for what you did with in it

 

[bigloley]

Do you have to list anywhere that you were expelled from your frat? Just list the good things, I doubt anyone is going to ask you what you are doing now in the frat

 

[doctordoc1990]

Do you have to list anywhere that you were expelled from your frat? Just list the good things, I doubt anyone is going to ask you what you are doing now in the frat

That's what I'm tempted to do. However, I know that obviously if I list my fraternal involvement there is a chance they will check it and find that I was expelled. If I list only my accomplishments, is there a good chance they will check and discover my expulsion? And, if they discover it, would they automatically reject me, or do you guys think my explanation if they ask (which is that I thought the mere suggestion I did drugs, regardless of the fact that it's 100% false, would give me an undeserved negative appearance which I don't believe I should have to deal with) will suffice?

 

[Oxer45]

I was expelled from my fraternity. To make a long story short, we had a corrupt chapter adviser, I stood up to him, he got pissed and decided to claim (FALSELY) that I smoked marijuana, and I got expelled because unfortunately fraternities are not courts of law and therefore no proof is required. Anyways, I have decided not to list any of my involvement with the fraternity on my application, which kind of sucks because I had done some things that would look great on my application. Even though I'm innocent of what I was accused of, I don't want to have to deal with the hassle of explaining the whole situation to med schools, because I fear some of them would think I was lying (I feel it's a lot easier to believe one person is lying than that an organization is corrupt). My question is, will they be able to discover any of this information if I list nothing about the fraternity on my application? I've already been through enough unjust b.s. through the fraternity and don't want to have to deal with this injustice possibly affecting my acceptance into med school.

Who cares about frats? Thank god you got out of the frat (or got kicked out). Pre-meds tend to place too much emphasis on extra curricular activities thinking it somehow makes up for low mcat/gpa. It doesnt. Med schools routinely pick high mcta/gpa over people who did a lot of extracurricular activities. Med school is academically demanding and they want people who have the work ethic to sit in a library for 10 hr/day for months on end and learn the material. People in frats have lower than avg acceptance to med school because they dont spend enough time in their studies. Btw you get "expelled" from college, not a frat.

There are only two types of extra cri med schools care about: (1) work at a hospital/clinic in US or 3rd work country--it shows you know what you are getting yourself into. (2) research --you are the future of medicine. if you dont make the important discoveries, who will?

 

[MDschoolorbust]

That's what I'm tempted to do. However, I know that obviously if I list my fraternal involvement there is a chance they will check it and find that I was expelled. If I list only my accomplishments, is there a good chance they will check and discover my expulsion? And, if they discover it, would they automatically reject me, or do you guys think my explanation if they ask (which is that I thought the mere suggestion I did drugs, regardless of the fact that it's 100% false, would give me an undeserved negative appearance which I don't believe I should have to deal with) will suffice?

Where is a record of such a thing held?

 

[doctordoc1990]

Who cares about frats? Thank god you got out of the frat (or got kicked out). Pre-meds tend to place too much emphasis on extra curricular activities thinking it somehow makes up for low mcat/gpa. It doesnt. Med schools routinely pick high mcta/gpa over people who did a lot of extracurricular activities. Med school is academically demanding and they want people who have the work ethic to sit in a library for 10 hr/day for months on end and learn the material. People in frats have lower than avg acceptance to med school because they dont spend enough time in their studies. Btw you get "expelled" from college, not a frat.

There are only two types of extra cri med schools care about: (1) work at a hospital/clinic in US or 3rd work country--it shows you know what you are getting yourself into. (2) research --you are the future of medicine. if you dont make the important discoveries, who will?

Kind of an unnecessarily confrontational tone (although I've come to notice that's the norm around here ) but thanks for your input. I wasn't really sure how much emphasis placed on on-campus activities so I wasn't sure if leaving out the frat (which accounts for about 70% of my on-campus ECs) would hurt me too bad or not. I've volunteered extensively at 2 different hospitals and done some literature research (unfortunately no lab research) so I'm starting to think I should be fine. And since my fraternity's bylaws use the words "expelled" and "expulsion" about 50 times, I think it's pretty safe to say it is applicable in both contexts as well as numerous others.

 

[doctordoc1990]

Where is a record of such a thing held?

I would presume they could call the National Office for my fraternity and ask if I was a member. They have records of every member and alumni and I'm sure they would be perfectly happy to tell them I was expelled.

 

[911 Turbo]

Lol, read the title as "Fraternity Explosion"

 

[KnuxNole]

At least frat dudes are good under the sheets 😎

 

[AmoryBlaine]

At the end of the day some organization has a record that you were booted for drug use.

I would actually consider hiring an attorney and appealing to the greek council at your school or the national office of the fraternity.

Frats are not exactly Fortune 500 companies, a letter on legal letterhead for Your Attorney, Esq requesting that records to the effect of your being kicked out for drug use be deleted will likely go a long way.

You could start with the president of the fraternity and the Dean of Students at your school, request a meeting, demand that the fraternity provide you with a written statement that you left because of harassment not drug use. If that doesn't work you can close the meeting by letting the frat president know he will be hearing from your attorney.

 

[phltz]

I was expelled from my fraternity. To make a long story short, we had a corrupt chapter adviser, I stood up to him, he got pissed and decided to claim (FALSELY) that I smoked marijuana, and I got expelled because unfortunately fraternities are not courts of law and therefore no proof is required. Anyways, I have decided not to list any of my involvement with the fraternity on my application, which kind of sucks because I had done some things that would look great on my application. Even though I'm innocent of what I was accused of, I don't want to have to deal with the hassle of explaining the whole situation to med schools, because I fear some of them would think I was lying (I feel it's a lot easier to believe one person is lying than that an organization is corrupt). My question is, will they be able to discover any of this information if I list nothing about the fraternity on my application? I've already been through enough unjust b.s. through the fraternity and don't want to have to deal with this injustice possibly affecting my acceptance into med school.

This sounds like a rough situation. Sorry to hear about all this.

That said, I think your expulsion from your fraternity will matter about as much to the adcoms as my friend who got kicked out of his World of Warcraft guild. Just move on with your life, and try to forgot about those douche bags.

 

[sanityonleave]

This sounds like a rough situation. Sorry to hear about all this.

That said, I think your expulsion from your fraternity will matter about as much to the adcoms as my friend who got kicked out of his World of Warcraft guild. Just move on with your life, and try to forgot about those douche bags.

This. Even if you listed the frat on your CV for the time that you were in it, nobody is going to call and check your membership status. Not only do they really not care, but med schools have thousands of applications to go through -- they aren't going to devote that much time to yours.

I'll second what someone said above, though: don't mention it and try and "explain" it or whatever. It'll just raise an unnecessary red flag on your application.

 

[SeminoleVesicle]

I'd take a drug test on your own just for kicks and show the governing body you were innocent.

That is...if you are innocent.

 

[Praefectus]

I've never heard of someone getting expelled from a fraternity. Whatever happened to the stuff you were taught as a pledge about the bonds of brotherhood? Oh well.

 

[pkwraith]

I didn't list my frat on my CV. It's not a big deal. I'm sure you have other activities to list. It's not something that I'd put on a CV/Resume anyways. Even if you list it, no one is going to be calling up the National Chapter anyways. Who has time for that? Not the ADCOMs.

I'd only fight this if you want to be reactivated, which I doubt you would.

PS. LOL at the "People in frats have lower than avg acceptance to med school because they dont spend enough time in their studies" "statistic" listed above.

 

[Praefectus]

PS. LOL at the "People in frats have lower than avg acceptance to med school because they dont spend enough time in their studies" "statistic" listed above.

At my school, Greek students have higher GPAs than non-Greek students. I'd like to see those acceptance number stats haha

 

[Perrotfish]

I would presume they could call the National Office for my fraternity and ask if I was a member. They have records of every member and alumni and I'm sure they would be perfectly happy to tell them I was expelled.

They won't do this. The only two organiations that medica schools check in with are your school (institutional action) and the government (legal action).

 

[tantacles]

This. Even if you listed the frat on your CV for the time that you were in it, nobody is going to call and check your membership status. Not only do they really not care, but med schools have thousands of applications to go through -- they aren't going to devote that much time to yours.

I'll second what someone said above, though: don't mention it and try and "explain" it or whatever. It'll just raise an unnecessary red flag on your application.

Just listen to this post.

 

[AestheticGod]

I'm not exactly sure as to why a fraternity would kick you out for smoking weed...

 

[YouNeverKnow22]

I was expelled from my fraternity. To make a long story short, we had a corrupt chapter adviser, I stood up to him, he got pissed and decided to claim (FALSELY) that I smoked marijuana, and I got expelled because unfortunately fraternities are not courts of law and therefore no proof is required. Anyways, I have decided not to list any of my involvement with the fraternity on my application, which kind of sucks because I had done some things that would look great on my application. Even though I'm innocent of what I was accused of, I don't want to have to deal with the hassle of explaining the whole situation to med schools, because I fear some of them would think I was lying (I feel it's a lot easier to believe one person is lying than that an organization is corrupt). My question is, will they be able to discover any of this information if I list nothing about the fraternity on my application? I've already been through enough unjust b.s. through the fraternity and don't want to have to deal with this injustice possibly affecting my acceptance into med school.

weird, most chapters at my school have at least 50% of the chapter that blazes, must have been a ****ty chapter.

 

[bidiboom]

I'm not exactly sure as to why a fraternity would kick you out for smoking weed...

I dont mean distrust about Doctordoc1990, but just smoking weed is not a big deal, rather its kinda young experience (as long as it doesnt turn to an addiction), why is it a reason for red flag I dont get it 😕

 

[YouNeverKnow22]

I dont mean distrust about Doctordoc1990, but just smoking weed is not a big deal, rather its kinda young experience (as long as it doesnt turn to an addiction), why is it a reason for red flag I dont get it 😕

yeah I don't buy this at all :troll:

 

[Perrotfish]

yeah I don't buy this at all :troll:

It could have been an academic, honor, or social service fraternity that was less tolerant of drug use. It could have been a religioius IFC fraternity that looked down on drugs or even alcohol. Also on my campus there were a couple of fraternities that have dry houses, and took that rule very seriously. In that case an accusation of smoking weed IN the house could be serious, even if they don't give a sh_t about what you do outside the house. Finally its important to remember that what's tolerated by the chapter isn't the same as what's tolerated by the national organization. If someone rats you out to national for smoking weed they might feel like they have to take your pin even knowing that a LOT of the members in the fraternity use. Most big organiations are like that: they don't want to know what you're doing wrong, but if they find out they feel obligated to carry out whatever rules they wrote down.

 

[kami333]

Finally its important to remember that what's tolerated by the chapter isn't the same as what's tolerated by the national organization. If someone rats you out to national for smoking weed they might feel like they have to take your pin even knowing that a LOT of the members in the fraternity use. Most big organiations are like that: they don't want to know what you're doing wrong, but if they find out they feel obligated to carry out whatever rules they wrote down.

^This. Knowing about something and not doing anything about it opens you up to a host of issues liability-wise.

At my chapter we used to basically ban anyone under 21 from coming to the house whenever representatives from national were there, it just helped cut down on a lot of potential issues.