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Does anyone else get freaked out when they read stuff from older ODs about the profession. They make it seem like the future of optometry is so grey. I like optometry but I seriously wonder if I should choose something else now while I'm still young and have a chance.
 
georgeyboy said:
Does anyone else get freaked out when they read stuff from older ODs about the profession. They make it seem like the future of optometry is so grey. I like optometry but I seriously wonder if I should choose something else now while I'm still young and have a chance.


I'm curious...what did you hear? All I ever hear is good stuff.
 
Look at some of the posts on various websites such as odwire.org. I know that optometry is what you make of it but I have to admit that I get scared sh*tless when I read some of these posts. I do truly believe that opt schools don't tell students the whole truth about what is happening to the profession and just say everything is fine and dandy. The whole decline of private practices, the possibility of refracting opticians, too many ODs and lack of jobs are all serious concerns. I just feel that corporate america has optometry by the balls because ODs rely too much on the selling of glasses and contacts to bring in money. I also don't want to go through 4 more years of schooling just to work the same crappy hours and at the same store as I did in high school. I wish I had a time machine to see what the future will hold before I ever pay a dime to any school.
 
georgeyboy said:
Look at some of the posts on various websites such as odwire.org. I know that optometry is what you make of it but I have to admit that I get scared sh*tless when I read some of these posts. I do truly believe that opt schools don't tell students the whole truth about what is happening to the profession and just say everything is fine and dandy. The whole decline of private practices, the possibility of refracting opticians, too many ODs and lack of jobs are all serious concerns. I just feel that corporate america has optometry by the balls because ODs rely too much on the selling of glasses and contacts to bring in money. I also don't want to go through 4 more years of schooling just to work the same crappy hours and at the same store as I did in high school. I wish I had a time machine to see what the future will hold before I ever pay a dime to any school.


Don't we all wish we had a crystal ball so we can look into the future- but then life wouldn't be so exciting! I'll check out that link thanks.
 
It is safe to say that I have been one of the doctors who has been negative about optometry, both here and on ODwire.org.

I still stand by my statements though. That is that the future of optometry is very much like pharmacy. The vast majority of you will be working retail hours in retail locations. This is not necissarily a bad thing. You will make decent money. You will not starve. You will not default on your student loans. You will be able to maintain a middle/upper middle class lifestyle for the foreseable future.

However I think that for the vast majority, owning your own practice is not going to be in your future.

That being said, if you want to try to buck the trend, here is what you have to do to succeed, IMHO of course.

1) The most important ingredient in your success will be your willingness to move anywhere in the country. If you are willing to move anywhere (urban, suburban, rural) then you can do well. If however you have a particular area in mind where you want to practice, you will be more limited. If, for whatever reason you HAVE to practice in San Francisco California, Hartford COnnecticut, Nashville Tennessee etc. etc then you MUST do a lot of research about those cities BEFORE you attend optometry school.

2) I have found that the number of ODs or OMDs in an area actually has little bearing on your chances of success. What you need to find out is if you can be admitted onto the top 5 MEDICAL plans in your area. If you can not, then you may want to consider practicing elsewhere. VISION plans can be annoying but not always. You can always get on VISION plans but if an area is dominated by one vision plan, you may want to reconsider because you will end up at the mercy of that vision plan. Hypothetically, say that 25% of your patients use VSP. VSP covers exams once a year. WHat if they suddenly decide to only cover exams every TWO years? What if they decide to slash reimbursement by 50%? Can your practice absorb that hit? This is what I mean by being at the mercy of the vision plan. Just like you don't want more than 10% of your stock portfolio to be in one stock, you don't want more than 10% of your patients having one particular insurance plan.

3: Do not elect to practice in a state that has a wide scope of
practice law. Wide scope of practice laws do NOT mean anything
unless you can get admitted onto insurance panels, because contrary
to what people will tell you, patients are NOT going to pay you $400
out of pocket for a glaucoma evaluation when they can have it done
by a fellowship trained glaucoma specialist for a $10 copayment. I
only go to doctors who are on my health care plan… why would you
expect your patients to be any different?

4: Do not assume that because there are ODs on some insurance
panels that you can get on them too. When I started, I phoned up
some local ODs and found out that yes, they were on panels, but that
I could not get on because they were "closed to new providers."


georgeyboy said:
Look at some of the posts on various websites such as odwire.org. I know that optometry is what you make of it but I have to admit that I get scared sh*tless when I read some of these posts. I do truly believe that opt schools don't tell students the whole truth about what is happening to the profession and just say everything is fine and dandy. The whole decline of private practices, the possibility of refracting opticians, too many ODs and lack of jobs are all serious concerns. I just feel that corporate america has optometry by the balls because ODs rely too much on the selling of glasses and contacts to bring in money. I also don't want to go through 4 more years of schooling just to work the same crappy hours and at the same store as I did in high school. I wish I had a time machine to see what the future will hold before I ever pay a dime to any school.
 
My dad is an OD and I have talked to him about this same subject. His response was they told him the same scarry thing back when he graduated in 1972. Since then, ODs have got the right to use diagnostic and therapeutic drugs. He never thought in his wildest dreams he would be treating/managing things like glaucoma...or any disease for that matter. The field has gotten better since then and it will most likely get better in the future. I can't say that I am not a little frightened, but I would be scared if I were an MD too. Look how insurance companies and HMOs control there lives, it is just as bad but they have to go into the hospital at 330am.
 
Don't believe everythhing you read on an online forum... the people who are very negative about the profession are always the loudest... but i can assure you they are the minority.

When you consider how young the profession really is... the OD degree is only 35 years old... the profession has come such a long way since then! Think about how much more we can do now as opposed to 35 years ago! Even though every so often there may be one step backwards (an OD being denied on a certain insurance panal.. a critical OMD.. etc) ... ultimatly we are taking two or three steps foward.
 
Hines302 said:
Don't believe everythhing you read on an online forum... the people who are very negative about the profession are always the loudest... but i can assure you they are the minority.

When you consider how young the profession really is... the OD degree is only 35 years old... the profession has come such a long way since then! Think about how much more we can do now as opposed to 35 years ago! Even though every so often there may be one step backwards (an OD being denied on a certain insurance panal.. a critical OMD.. etc) ... ultimatly we are taking two or three steps foward.

While I agree that one must take everything one reads online with a grain of salt, one must also realize that there is some truth in what is written. It is very difficult, not impossible, but very difficult to succeed in many large urban centers. It is very difficult, not impossible, to avoid commerical optometry. It is very difficult, not impossible, to practice to the full extent of your education, especially in commerical practice. It is very disheartening to be considered by many, not all, but many patients as a barrier to their getting more contact lenses rather than as their doctor. It is very difficult to have a day - this is in commercial pratice, however, where every patient is a new patient and none of them have ever, ever seen the same OD twice.

As has been said many many times: you will not starve, you will have some aspects of the career that you love but there are many aspects that are frustrating and to many of us these aspects seem to be increasing while the others are decreasing.
 
georgeyboy said:
Does anyone else get freaked out when they read stuff from older ODs about the profession. They make it seem like the future of optometry is so grey. I like optometry but I seriously wonder if I should choose something else now while I'm still young and have a chance.
Nope. I've worked w/ ODs for years. As with any other profession, there are aspects that are less than perfect. Whether it is increased corporate competition, insurance issues (A BIG headache), etc. we will all face a bumpy road at times. On the whole, Optometry is still a great choice.

AA
 
This topic has been addressed over and over in this forum. I believe that yes corporate optometry will continue to grow but as KHE said this has its pros and cons. I do believe too that OD schools in general need to do a better job presenting the issues that will face their graduates...i.e., not everyone will be working Private Practice and that corporate optometry isn't necessarily a bad thing either (capatlists believe competition creates a better product...although not always true it usually creates a less expensive one) and it can be a good career option for many as KHE stated. I believe too that Private Practice will continue to exist but will be more in groups, than solo practices, with other ODs and OMDs. The key for all ODs is to be proactive and work together as much as possible and face the realities and not run in fear. Just my two cents. Georgeyboy you need to do whats best for you. If its optometry do it and if it is something else that do that. Also realize that all healthcare has its pros/cons even dentistry.
 
I think the biggest problems with optometry are
1. contact lenses being sold on line- can't compete
2. glasses being sold on line - can't compete
3. vision plans- low exam fees and can't make money on glasses
4.public perception
5. too many optom's
6. can't get on some medical plans
7.diffrent state laws- some states you can Rx steroids some you can't
8.schools lying to students telling them they'll be treating all these glaucoma patients they should tell them they'll be doing refractions and fitting soft lenses, and not really getting paid for it.
Now corporate/commercial optometry doesn't bother me I can and do compete with them.
 
rpames said:
My dad is an OD and I have talked to him about this same subject. His response was they told him the same scarry thing back when he graduated in 1972. Since then, ODs have got the right to use diagnostic and therapeutic drugs. He never thought in his wildest dreams he would be treating/managing things like glaucoma...or any disease for that matter. The field has gotten better since then and it will most likely get better in the future. I can't say that I am not a little frightened, but I would be scared if I were an MD too. Look how insurance companies and HMOs control there lives, it is just as bad but they have to go into the hospital at 330am.
My father is an od also I he thinks it's more difficult to make today than 30 yrs. ago. More competition.
 
HOLLYWOOD said:
My father is an od also I he thinks it's more difficult to make today than 30 yrs. ago. More competition.

Same thing with Hardware stores...Electonics stores...Furniture stores...Automobile sales...Insurance sales...Grocery stores...Restaurants...
Competition is a way of life in our society. Everyone has to deal with the difficulties that come with it. It does not mean you cannot be successful. Will we be earning $250K a year out of Optometry school. I doubt it. Will we be able to make a comfortable living while helping people with what is arguably one of the most important aspects of their lives? Absolutely.

Don't buy into the cynicism. My guess is that many of the ODs that complain that it isn't what they expected, or wished they had done something else would be singing the same tune no matter what they were doing.

AA
 
HOLLYWOOD said:
I think the biggest problems with optometry are
1. contact lenses being sold on line- can't compete
They can beat with commodity lenses, but how many RGP fits go online? Also, what percentage of your patients actually go online?
HOLLYWOOD said:
2. glasses being sold on line - can't compete
Glasses sold online haven't been fit, adjusted, measured, or verified by a professional. Online glasses haven't been a smashing success since it is a flawed idea. It is so small a percentage of the eyewear business currently and isn't growing fast enough to be an issue.
HOLLYWOOD said:
3. vision plans- low exam fees and can't make money on glasses
That's our own fault. If there weren't any ODs that took them (since it is frankly insulting what some of them want to reimburse for services) they would have to raise their reimbursement levels.
HOLLYWOOD said:
4.public perception
7.diffrent state laws- some states you can Rx steroids some you can't
Always a work in process. This will always be an issue, and it is incumbent upon all ODs, State and National Organizations to be vigilant to inform the public and positively affect the public's perception.
HOLLYWOOD said:
5. too many optom's
Debatable
HOLLYWOOD said:
6. can't get on some medical plans
Fact of life that we need to keep working on that
HOLLYWOOD said:
8.schools lying to students telling them they'll be treating all these glaucoma patients they should tell them they'll be doing refractions and fitting soft lenses, and not really getting paid for it.
Depends on your practice.

It is unfair to characterize the schools recruitment as lying. I think they equip you for the entire scope of practice, and it is up to the student what they do with it. SOme will scamper straight to the Big Boxes for the apparent stability and lack of risk (to each their own I suppose), but many go on to practice their full scope of ability.

AA
 
aarlan said:
It is unfair to characterize the schools recruitment as lying. I think they equip you for the entire scope of practice, and it is up to the student what they do with it. SOme will scamper straight to the Big Boxes for the apparent stability and lack of risk (to each their own I suppose), but many go on to practice their full scope of ability.

AA

I think that the schools are definitely portraying a VERY optimistic view of optometry, perhaps a bit too optimistic. But, what else do you expect them to do? Tell students that corporate optometry is the future, and they will all be refracting until 9:00 at night 7 days a week? Ummm... no! Students need to step up and take responsibility for their future. If you make your career choice based on the word of a school, one doctor, or one poster on this forum, you are crazy! Do tons of research from many different sources, and then make up your mind. And be ready to accept the consequences.
 
I know medical students are being told that in a couple of years our country's health plans will change drastically (go to more of a great britian kind of style) and that their pay will be cut dramatically. What would that do to optometry? Does anyone really think it's going to happen?
 
aarlan said:
They can beat with commodity lenses, but how many RGP fits go online? Also, what percentage of your patients actually go online?

Glasses sold online haven't been fit, adjusted, measured, or verified by a professional. Online glasses haven't been a smashing success since it is a flawed idea. It is so small a percentage of the eyewear business currently and isn't growing fast enough to be an issue.
That's our own fault. If there weren't any ODs that took them (since it is frankly insulting what some of them want to reimburse for services) they would have to raise their reimbursement levels.
Always a work in process. This will always be an issue, and it is incumbent upon all ODs, State and National Organizations to be vigilant to inform the public and positively affect the public's perception.
Debatable
Fact of life that we need to keep working on that
Depends on your practice.

It is unfair to characterize the schools recruitment as lying. I think they equip you for the entire scope of practice, and it is up to the student what they do with it. SOme will scamper straight to the Big Boxes for the apparent stability and lack of risk (to each their own I suppose), but many go on to practice their full scope of ability.

AA
as for your 1st point I would say about 30 to 40% of my pts. get there lenses or some of there lenses on line. ( they save about $20/ yr buying on-line) I fit very few pts. in rgp lenses, and they are available on line also.
When it comes to glasses some people come in try on the glasses,write the style number and then order on line. Ex. pt. came in TRIED on oakley's and then said he was going to order on line.
 
HOLLYWOOD said:
as for your 1st point I would say about 30 to 40% of my pts. get there lenses or some of there lenses on line. ( they save about $20/ yr buying on-line) I fit very few pts. in rgp lenses, and they are available on line also.
When it comes to glasses some people come in try on the glasses,write the style number and then order on line. Ex. pt. came in TRIED on oakley's and then said he was going to order on line.

Do you adjust the frames for these people too?? You should definately not allow them to record the style number from the frames that YOU carry and have paid for - why subsidize the online retailers by giving them a showroom.
 
HOLLYWOOD said:
... I would say about 30 to 40% of my pts. get there lenses or some of there lenses on line. ( they save about $20/ yr buying on-line)
So if you dropped your prices by $20 you would increase your contact lens sales by 30-40%? The increase in volume in sales should offset any drop in price, no?
HOLLYWOOD said:
I fit very few pts. in rgp lenses, and they are available on line also.
RGP wearers generally purchase where they are fit. On the whole, they are a different animal when compared with the soft commodity lens wearers.

AA
 
sco1styear said:
I know medical students are being told that in a couple of years our country's health plans will change drastically (go to more of a great britian kind of style) and that their pay will be cut dramatically. What would that do to optometry? Does anyone really think it's going to happen?

I'm interested in this too🙂 My wife is getting her MPH now and from her health administration and policy class I've learned quite a bit. Our nation has some serious issues with health care costs and all the bickering in Washington DC isn't helping come to any solutions.
 
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