Freaking out about IPPE intern hours...

[DoctorRx1986]

I'm about to start my second year of pharmacy school and I cannot stop thinking about my upcoming IPPE intern hours. I'm freaking out. I performed very well academically in my first year (top 5% of the class) and almost always feel secure in what I'm doing. Further, I worked in retail pharmacy for six months as a clerk and have a firm grasp of what goes on in a pharmacy. However, as a clerk, I was a Mr. No One and not really responsible for any mistakes, actions, or professional behavior. Suddenly, I feel as I'm being thrust into the real world of pharmacy now that I am legally entitled to work as an intern and consult with patients. The mere thought of having to wear a white coat in a pharmacy just sends shivers down my spine. Holding an intern license is not a right, it's something you earn and comes at a cost. I realize if I make a serious mistake, I'm screwed and can suffer from legal repercussions. This is something I didn't have to worry about while working as a clerk, but it's very much a reality at this point. One screw up and you're done. The bottom line is that I'm afraid of not knowing what I'm doing and appearing as a fool to EVERYONE in the process...my preceptor, the tech, and even some patients.

There's always a beginning to everything, but I'm afraid of just being a puppet dressed professionally with a tie and wearing my white coat and not truly demonstrating the level of competence and confidence I should have as a pharmacist in training. I'm afraid of making a stupid mistake, not learning the computer system Publix uses easily, and annoying the pharmacist if I don't learn everything quickly. I fear being a new pharmacy intern is a torturous process that can ultimately be degrading to one's self-esteem, worth, etc... in the process of learning the skills required of a pharmacist. I don't want to feel like a loser in the second year of pharmacy school who doesn't know what the hell is going in the pharmacy. What if my preceptor is no good? What if I make a trivial mistake and I'm yelled at when I'm not even being compensated? I have a million concerns. I'd like for this to be a fulfilling learning experience that is not tempered with grief and anxiety. I just want to glide through those swinging doors, be in command, and know as much as possible. The thought of a preceptor evaulating me makes things worse. How awful it would be to answer a phone call or speak to a doctor, not hear or understand his mumbo jumbo, and ask him to please repeat himself more slowly only to witness this person's lack of patience and yelling at me. What do you guys think?

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[WVUPharm2007]

Well, the problem is that you probably are a useless entry-level intern...and you probably have no idea what you are doing.

The good news is that everyone starts out that way.

You'll go into the real world, you'll fail to be perfect, and you will probably feel large amounts of embarrassment if the idea of not being perfect right off the bat offends you. Hopefully for your sake you'll learn humility and how to be resilient. That isn't a bad thing. I suppose if you are a fragile person, you might get your feelings hurt...but it has to happen. I suppose it came easier for me because I was used to massive amounts of failure before I got to college. Just suck it up, it'll be alright. I promise.

If you get good at it, you'll be more useful later in life when that really scary moment happens. You are a licensed RPh and in charge. If you don't get good at accepting the potential for failure, you'll be one of those useless new grads that freezes in numerous moments of anxiety when and if they are allowed to be left alone.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Oh....and if you make one mistake, you aren't "done". That's ridiculous. If the pharmacist allows a mistake to get by him its on him...

 

[Old Timer]

If you think going to school for six years and being in the top 5% of your class will make you a good pharmacist. You are in fairy tale land. YOU and people like you ARE THE REASON THERE IS AN IPPE. The IPPE was created because students decided they had no time to work and when they went on their rotations in the sixth year, they were less than useless, especially in the retail setting.

If you can't work a little and keep up good grades you will never be a pharmacist. Drop out now.

If you think when they hand you your license you suddenly know everything you are just inhabiting an alternate universe....

 

[mustang sally]

I think it's normal to be nervous when going into something new and all that, but it's not healthy to get so worked up about it. All of us students all over the country are going through the same thing and we are all pretty much clueless.

I did some IPE hours this summer and had never even worked in a retail pharmacy before. My preceptors were pretty good at gauging my abilities and pushing me to try new things without putting patient safety at risk. Obviously all preceptors and IPE sites are going to be different, but I don't think you need to be so concerned. And yes, we are probably all going to make mistakes; we are human and don't really know what we are doing yet anyway. Learn from your mistakes and move on.

 

[DoctorRx1986]

If you think going to school for six years and being in the top 5% of your class will make you a good pharmacist. You are in fairy tale land. YOU and people like you ARE THE REASON THERE IS AN IPPE. The IPPE was created because students decided they had no time to work and when they went on their rotations in the sixth year, they were less than useless, especially in the retail setting.

If you can't work a little and keep up good grades you will never be a pharmacist. Drop out now.

If you think when they hand you your license you suddenly know everything you are just inhabiting an alternate universe....

How about a little respect "Old Timer"? Coming from a pharmacist such as yourself addressing a young person (age 23), you don't appear very professional at all or empathetic at all. Who in the hell are YOU to be pointing me out, practically chastizing me for what others consider a normal fear? Further, did I ever state or imply I have not worked at least a little throughout pharmacy school or that I do not intend to? I think not; this being the case, why don't you tape your mouth shut? Don't you tell me that IPPE exists because "students like me" refuse to work during pharmacy school; who bestowed such a right upon you to judge me? You don't know a thing about me. Remember the rules of this forum; address people here with respect and watch what you write; you don't have to agree with me, but be careful with what you write, as someone may misinterpret you and take offense to your writing. And if you've had a bad day at work and you're bitter, go take a cold shower. But don't come on SDN and practically criticize a young pharmacy student who is simply expressing a little anxiety. Jesus...how pathetic and bitter of an old man you are... I guess this is what pharmacy does to you after working for 30 something years. Instead of being supportive as a so called "SDN advisor", you feed me your crap. Additionally, you're wasting my time. I asked for feedback, not destructive criticism. Thanks a lot.

 

[confettiflyer]

you don't appear very professional at all or empathetic at all..

he's from philly, 'nuff said

 

[KARM12]

Most IPPE students are pretty useless...that is why you are there, to observe and to learn. No one expects you to know anything. I know of very few IPPE students that are thrown into doing real work. There is too much liability and most aren't there long enough to waste time training. So usually they just stand around.

 

[Sparda29]

Most IPPE students are pretty useless...that is why you are there, to observe and to learn. No one expects you to know anything. I know of very few IPPE students that are thrown into doing real work. There is too much liability and most aren't there long enough to waste time training. So usually they just stand around.

I almost went crazy during IPPE because my preceptor wouldn't give me enough work to do. One time he actually snapped at me, "can you calm down for a second, jeez, give me some space", when I asked him for more work to do.

I'm used to the fast pace of CVS, and the slowness of that independent pharmacy was driving me nuts.

 

[confettiflyer]

Most IPPE students are pretty useless...that is why you are there, to observe and to learn. No one expects you to know anything. I know of very few IPPE students that are thrown into doing real work. There is too much liability and most aren't there long enough to waste time training. So usually they just stand around.

I almost went crazy during IPPE because my preceptor wouldn't give me enough work to do. One time he actually snapped at me, "can you calm down for a second, jeez, give me some space", when I asked him for more work to do.

I just sat around and read articles the whole time, maybe filled a few scripts at the independent pharmacy I was at.

I'm perfectly fine just standing around and observing, I mean it's pretty obvious I wouldn't know what to do...I think that's obvious to me and my preceptor.

 

[DrWrong]

How about a little respect "Old Timer"? Coming from a pharmacist such as yourself addressing a young person (age 23), you don't appear very professional at all or empathetic at all. Who in the hell are YOU to be pointing me out, practically chastizing me for what others consider a normal fear? Further, did I ever state or imply I have not worked at least a little throughout pharmacy school or that I do not intend to? I think not; this being the case, why don't you tape your mouth shut? Don't you tell me that IPPE exists because "students like me" refuse to work during pharmacy school; who bestowed such a right upon you to judge me? You don't know a thing about me. Remember the rules of this forum; address people here with respect and watch what you write; you don't have to agree with me, but be careful with what you write, as someone may misinterpret you and take offense to your writing. And if you've had a bad day at work and you're bitter, go take a cold shower. But don't come on SDN and practically criticize a young pharmacy student who is simply expressing a little anxiety. Jesus...how pathetic and bitter of an old man you are... I guess this is what pharmacy does to you after working for 30 something years. Instead of being supportive as a so called "SDN advisor", you feed me your crap. Additionally, you're wasting my time. I asked for feedback, not destructive criticism. Thanks a lot.

You'll have to excsue OldTimer.....CVS wouldn't fill his Viagra for three more days.



Just kidding OldTimer

 

[bananaface]

How about a little respect "Old Timer"? Coming from a pharmacist such as yourself addressing a young person (age 23), you don't appear very professional at all or empathetic at all. Who in the hell are YOU to be pointing me out, practically chastizing me for what others consider a normal fear? Further, did I ever state or imply I have not worked at least a little throughout pharmacy school or that I do not intend to? I think not; this being the case, why don't you tape your mouth shut? Don't you tell me that IPPE exists because "students like me" refuse to work during pharmacy school; who bestowed such a right upon you to judge me? You don't know a thing about me. Remember the rules of this forum; address people here with respect and watch what you write; you don't have to agree with me, but be careful with what you write, as someone may misinterpret you and take offense to your writing. And if you've had a bad day at work and you're bitter, go take a cold shower. But don't come on SDN and practically criticize a young pharmacy student who is simply expressing a little anxiety. Jesus...how pathetic and bitter of an old man you are... I guess this is what pharmacy does to you after working for 30 something years. Instead of being supportive as a so called "SDN advisor", you feed me your crap. Additionally, you're wasting my time. I asked for feedback, not destructive criticism. Thanks a lot.

Honestly, he's right. There are two parts to being a good pharmacist - knowledge and practical experience. You need to get comfortable in a real pharmacy and understand what happens in the profession you are getting into. That's the point of the experience. Don't overlook his point because you don't like the delivery. There is nothing in the TOS that says the truth has to come wrapped in rose petals.

You are going to have to get over the fear. It's natural to be a bit nervous, but it should go away after you get some experience under your belt. The sort of fear you are describing is not really normal because you are keeping yourself from having a learning experience. You aren't going to know everything, even as a pharmacist. You have alot of limitations at this point in your career and it's expected. What is important is not that you know everything, but that you know your limits and can either find the information you need or refer a question to someone who can answer it better. Think of the pharmacy like a classroom - only as the class goes along are you expected to know the material that is covered. You are freaking like you're being asked to take the final exam on day 1 and that is just not what's happening. So, quit worrying about learning everything and just focus on learning something every day.

It is rarely true that one mistake can finish off your career. Everyone makes mistakes. It is not a question of if you will screw up, but when, and whether it will have negative consequences. You are human and your best will never be perfect. When mistakes happen, correct them and learn from them as best you can. As things happen, try to develop practices to decrease the chance that a specific mistake will happen again. Your best can always get better.

 

[tootoo30]

Honestly, he's right. There are two parts to being a good pharmacist - knowledge and practical experience. You need to get comfortable in a real pharmacy and understand what happens in the profession you are getting into. That's the point of the experience. Don't overlook his point because you don't like the delivery. There is nothing in the TOS that says the truth has to come wrapped in rose petals.

You are going to have to get over the fear. It's natural to be a bit nervous, but it should go away after you get some experience under your belt. The sort of fear you are describing is not really normal because you are keeping yourself from having a learning experience. You aren't going to know everything, even as a pharmacist. You have alot of limitations at this point in your career and it's expected. What is important is not that you know everything, but that you know your limits and can either find the information you need or refer a question to someone who can answer it better. Think of the pharmacy like a classroom - only as the class goes along are you expected to know the material that is covered. You are freaking like you're being asked to take the final exam on day 1 and that is just not what's happening. So, quit worrying about learning everything and just focus on learning something every day.

It is rarely true that one mistake can finish off your career. Everyone makes mistakes. It is not a question of if you will screw up, but when, and whether it will have negative consequences. You are human and your best will never be perfect. When mistakes happen, correct them and learn from them as best you can. As things happen, try to develop practices to decrease the chance that a specific mistake will happen again. Your best can always get better.

I think OP had a right to take offense, he never stated that he did not plan to ever work during school, he was merely stating that he was nervous about his first day at the IPPE location. People took it upon themselves to interpret what he meant, when he clearly stated his thoughts in the first post.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Here's the abridged version of Old Timer's post:

Life sucks sometimes. Suck it up and get used to it.

And that's pretty much all that needs to be said...because it's the truth. It's like the fear of eventually dying. You just have to get over it. One of them things.

 

[VancTheTank]

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[Pianopooh]

You can't learn without making mistakes, so think of making mistakes as a way to burn into your memory of things to improve on. I was afraid to make mistakes when I started, and I was always apologizing and so nervous in the pharmacy. I don't like to place burden on others, or to make others do double/repeat the work. But you're in a learning environment, and your pharmacist accepted to become a preceptor for a reason -- they want to teach you the ways of the pharmacy. Even if you have a rude/poor/mean preceptor, do not fret. It is your learning experience, so you must make the most out of it! Do not be so hard on yourself, because everyone started out not knowing anything, and then working their way up to become better at what they do. And this, is true for every profession too. So don't worry so much, and try to get as much as you can out of it. Make the mistakes now, so you don't make them when you practice on your own.

 

[DoctorRx1986]

Thanks to all of you who are more understanding and encouraging, I appreciate it. 👍

 

[Rae444]

Trust me- your preceptors do not think you are going to be of much help anyway-- they know you are there to LEARN!
Just dont be afraid to be slow and ask questions..its the only way youll learn.
And its better to learn while you are an intern with an actual pharmacist who is in charge of you and your mistakes.. than to learn when YOU ARE the pharmacist...
Just have a good attitude, be honest, and youll be fine!

 

[stevephhs016]

Haha, I think Old Timer's comment was more suitable for me....back in school 😛

But back to OP, I felt the same way through rotations. And you know what, it gets better. First week might seem harsh, but as you grind out the days, you start getting used to it and the anxiety decreases. One thing I would def recommend is taking advantage of the fact you ARE in school and still training. Keep working etc etc. Looking in hindsight, I would have. Instead, I "enjoyed" my 4 months each year during break to play wow.

But you know what, life is life. Everyday is a learning experience.

And btw, Old Timer's comment is gold. If I saw that comment in my 2nd year in pharmacy school.........

 

[Old Timer]

You want empathy? Give me a break. Your mommy is not here to wipe away your tears and calm your fears. Get a grip. You are 23 years old. There is a difference between some anxiety and morbid fear of a career ending error that will deposit you in the mental hospital for life.

I can just imagine what you will do when you get reprimanded for the first time for doing something stupid.

I'm sorry you didn't like my tone. Tough. Life is tough, get used to it. You are 23 years old. Apply some logic and some of the education you picked up along the way. Do you think any private or corporate pharmacy would put themselves in a position where your error would lead to patient harm?

Thicken your skin, kid. Destructive criticism.

Re-read some of your declarative sentences:

• I'm freaking out.
• The mere thought of having to wear a white coat in a pharmacy just sends shivers down my spine.
• I'm afraid of just being a puppet dressed professionally with a tie and wearing my white coat
• I fear being a new pharmacy intern is a torturous process that can ultimately be degrading to one's self-esteem, worth, etc...
• What if I make a trivial mistake and I'm yelled at when I'm not even being compensated?
• I don't want to feel like a loser in the second year of pharmacy school...
• I'd like for this to be a fulfilling learning experience that is not tempered with grief and anxiety.

This is not the normal fears of a student going into a new experience. I have been a pharmacist for 27 years now and you got what you needed, a virtual ass kicking. Your mommy and your girlfriend/SO can kiss your ass. Grow up. It's obvious you are not supposed to know everything. That's why it's called a learning experience. Gee whiz..... I'm sorry I don't want to damage your fragile self esteem.....

 

[wellwell]

Yeah, Old Timer is a bit harsh, but dang, its not like they are going to ask you to perform open heart surgery on your first day. I am sure whoever your preceptor is will guide you through all the motions.

 

[DoctorRx1986]

Yeah, Old Timer is a bit harsh, but dang, its not like they are going to ask you to perform open heart surgery on your first day. I am sure whoever your preceptor is will guide you through all the motions.

A "bit harsh"? To hell with him. Notice how foolish he is. He replies to my second post in which I had never insinuated I wouldn't work throughout pharmacy school; that's something he simply assumed ...he never even reflected on this in his response to me; eh, as a matter of fact, maybe he did, but he realized how foolish he was in misinterpreting me and that I never implied I wouldn't work in my first post in the first place. "Your mommy/gf can kiss your ass!"....bit harsh? That's simply downright disrespectful; What would you think if someone on this forum has the audacity to tell you a parent of yours or your gf can kiss your ass? You're going to tell me it's a "bit" harsh? Being a parent/father himself, I don't think he'd like it if a stranger or anyone in particular tells his children they can kiss his father's (Old Timer's) ass. This prick doesn't sound like a fifty-something year old man; maybe more like a defiant adolescent or perhaps simply an embittered man. Truth is, some older people have led such tough lives they want everyone to share their misery and actually have contempt for young, inexperienced people or those who have had easy lives (such as myself).

Anonymity is the beauty of the internet and these forums. I guarantee you this son of a you know what would think twice at minimum before addressing me or any other young guy in the manner he did in person. Just cowardice on his part. Who is he to tell me "I gave you a virtual ass kicking?" Dude, I'm not his son...maybe he can talk to his 20 something or 30 something year old son in such a manner and perhaps even go so far as to give him an ass kicking, but limits are limits and this guy certainly doesn't appear to have any. I'm just another member of this forum with a genuine concern that by this point has been appeased and I get attacked and this guy suddenly brings up my mother? Does he even know whether my mother is deceased? Have some courtesy; it doesn't cost much. How would he like if it I tell him I hope his children get into a major car accident and die? Certainly, he wouldn't like that; it would be outright offensive and heartless. I assume he cares about his children and therefore I would never say such a thing even if I were trying to give someone " a virtual ass kissing". Keep other members of my family out of this...it's simple as that. I cannot believe all this nonsense is coming from a so called "professional". Not even some of the pre-pharmacy or pharmacy students on these forums have been this rude. Wake up, Old Timer, and realize that as much right as you have to express your opinion, you don't have any God-given authority or authority of any kind to mention my mother, give me a virtual ass kicking, tell me to "thicken your skin, kid" and be sarcastic enough to say "Gee Whiz...I'm sorry I don't want to damage your fragile self-esteem...". All of that is unacceptable and hateful, not helpful. What are you trying to achieve? Are you trying to upset me after a rough day at work? Are you projecting the problems you have in your life on me? If so, go get psychological help. Old men like you are the ones who eventually die of a heart attack as a result of years of repressed anger. You are a coward. You realize some, I guess you can consider, "naive, just beginning his life 23 year old guy" is posting and figure this guy would be excellent prey. Learn manners; if you're going to reply with sarcasm, contempt, etc... don't waste my time. Read my post and don't reply unless you're going to contribute your experience in a positive manner such as how the other members have done.

Piece of advice: Old Timer, I suggest you refrain from your flagrant violation of the terms of service (TOS). As per the TOS, you are in violation in regards to the following, which I took the liberty of directly copying and pasting, so you can read word for word...I also bolded key words. However, you probably have ASPD (Anti-Social Personality Disorder, if you didn't know) and therefore don't give two ****s about the rights of other people and their feelings; complete, utter disregard for anything. But here goes anyway:

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Watch out or I will ensure you get banned. I have already reported you twice. So, if I were you, I'd back off. Have problems with me? Ignore me. Set an example for the members of this forum and just as I'm sure you are very professional in the workplace, try and convey a sense of professionalism, even if it's merely pretense, here on SDN. Thank you! 🙂

 

[confettiflyer]

A "bit harsh"? To hell with him. Notice how foolish he is. He replies to my second post in which I had never insinuated I wouldn't work throughout pharmacy school; that's something he simply assumed ...he never even reflected on this in his response to me; eh, as a matter of fact, maybe he did, but he realized how foolish he was in misinterpreting me and that I never implied I wouldn't work in my first post in the first place. "Your mommy/gf can kiss your ass!"....bit harsh? That's simply downright disrespectful; What would you think if someone on this forum has the audacity to tell you a parent of yours or your gf can kiss your ass? You're going to tell me it's a "bit" harsh? Being a parent/father himself, I don't think he'd like it if a stranger or anyone in particular tells his children they can kiss his father's (Old Timer's) ass. This prick doesn't sound like a fifty-something year old man; maybe more like a defiant adolescent or perhaps simply an embittered man. Truth is, some older people have led such tough lives they want everyone to share their misery and actually have contempt for young, inexperienced people or those who have had easy lives (such as myself).

Anonymity is the beauty of the internet and these forums. I guarantee you this son of a you know what would think twice at minimum before addressing me or any other young guy in the manner he did in person. Just cowardice on his part. Who is he to tell me "I gave you a virtual ass kicking?" Dude, I'm not his son...maybe he can talk to his 20 something or 30 something year old son in such a manner and perhaps even go so far as to give him an ass kicking, but limits are limits and this guy certainly doesn't appear to have any. I'm just another member of this forum with a genuine concern that by this point has been appeased and I get attacked and this guy suddenly brings up my mother? Does he even know whether my mother is deceased? Have some courtesy; it doesn't cost much. How would he like if it I tell him I hope his children get into a major car accident and die? Certainly, he wouldn't like that; it would be outright offensive and heartless. I assume he cares about his children and therefore I would never say such a thing even if I were trying to give someone " a virtual ass kissing". Keep other members of my family out of this...it's simple as that. I cannot believe all this nonsense is coming from a so called "professional". Not even some of the pre-pharmacy or pharmacy students on these forums have been this rude. Wake up, Old Timer, and realize that as much right as you have to express your opinion, you don't have any God-given authority or authority of any kind to mention my mother, give me a virtual ass kicking, tell me to "thicken your skin, kid" and be sarcastic enough to say "Gee Whiz...I'm sorry I don't want to damage your fragile self-esteem...". All of that is unacceptable and hateful, not helpful. What are you trying to achieve? Are you trying to upset me after a rough day at work? Are you projecting the problems you have in your life on me? If so, go get psychological help. Old men like you are the ones who eventually die of a heart attack as a result of years of repressed anger. You are a coward. You realize some, I guess you can consider, "naive, just beginning his life 23 year old guy" is posting and figure this guy would be excellent prey. Learn manners; if you're going to reply with sarcasm, contempt, etc... don't waste my time. Read my post and don't reply unless you're going to contribute your experience in a positive manner such as how the other members have done.

Piece of advice: Old Timer, I suggest you refrain from your flagrant violation of the terms of service (TOS). As per the TOS, you are in violation in regards to the following, which I took the liberty of directly copying and pasting, so you can read word for word...I also bolded key words. However, you probably have ASPD (Anti-Social Personality Disorder, if you didn't know) and therefore don't give two ****s about the rights of other people and their feelings; complete, utter disregard for anything. But here goes anyway:

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Watch out or I will ensure you get banned. I have already reported you twice. So, if I were you, I'd back off. Have problems with me? Ignore me. Set an example for the members of this forum and just as I'm sure you are very professional in the workplace, try and convey a sense of professionalism, even if it's merely pretense, here on SDN. Thank you! 🙂

i sure hope your soap notes aren't this long winded

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Well, with all due respect, you kinda do come off as a huge douchebag. I mean, really, whoa is me, I might get my feelings hurt. Are you serious? I mean, what do you want us to say? Oh no, it'll be ok, you won't ever make any mistakes? Old Timer's from the old school. Not this new school way of bringing up kids so that they are coddled. I was raised in the old school, too. Just a hilljack from the holler. If he said that to me, I'd just instantly realize I was being a giant pansy and I'd feel better because a person with more experience doesn't think it's something to be concerned about. Now with you, obviously that doesn't work.

To be honest, I feel pity for you that the idea of possibly failing puts you in that much of a bind. Now...that said...if you are genuinely feeling attacked by Old Timer's "analysis" - and I'm being 100% serious - you should probably go to the school psychologist and get evaluated for an anxiety disorder. It's not natural to be this upset over a new experience. My wife actually used to have similar anxieties, but she's since been put on SSRIs and they are now controlled.

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Man, I should be banned like 300 times by now.

Watch out or I will ensure you get banned. I have already reported you twice. So, if I were you, I'd back off.

lmao...oh no...he'll report you...like the mods actually have lives and don't already read every thread 5 minutes after they are posted.

 

[SHC1984]

I think OP had a right to take offense, he never stated that he did not plan to ever work during school, he was merely stating that he was nervous about his first day at the IPPE location. People took it upon themselves to interpret what he meant, when he clearly stated his thoughts in the first post.

The OP has obviously never had a job before. If he did then there is NO reason for him to be so nervous about IPPE. People that have worked in retail before see IPPE as a piece of cake I am sure.

 

[SHC1984]

I almost went crazy during IPPE because my preceptor wouldn't give me enough work to do. One time he actually snapped at me, "can you calm down for a second, jeez, give me some space", when I asked him for more work to do.

I'm used to the fast pace of CVS, and the slowness of that independent pharmacy was driving me nuts.

Why work if you aren't getting pay? Just WATCH. LOL...Just kidding, but I really wish they pay us for IPPE. I have never worked for "free" in my entire life.

 

[DoctorRx1986]

WVU, you're not getting the point. The point here is no longer whether I was anxious before or not. The problem with Old Timer is how he presented himself and how he articulated what he had to say to me. Answer this for me, which apparently you didn't read in that long post: Is it acceptable for him to tell me "Your mother/gf can kiss your ass! " ? Tell me...I have every right to take that the wrong way. And you tell me I'm the one who sounds like a douchebag? That's not "tough love" or being straight up about things. You're doing what many people do...ignoring what's not convenient for you. Is it acceptable for him to proclaim he' giving me a "virtual ass kicking"? Since when is Old Timer the royal highness here? You should realize his faults too and not just wash your hands as if he didn't say anything that can be misconstrued as offensive.

In terms of my anxiety, that's a thing of the past; I exaggerated, I admit it. However, at least almost everyone else responding to this forum has been pleasant and has been supportive and encouraging; even you were, WVU. So, please, don't tell me Old Timer's manner of addressing me was kind hearted;

 

[DoctorRx1986]

The OP has obviously never had a job before. If he did then there is NO reason for him to be so nervous about IPPE. People that have worked in retail before see IPPE as a piece of cake I am sure.

SHC, you're making an assumption. Reread my first post. I have worked in retail before for about six months. I was a clerk. I know what goes on. However, this was in another state with different laws, different procedure, different protocol, and like I just said, I was merely a clerk. Being an intern is different, especially in another state and for another company. Yes, as a clerk, I had a beginning and had to learn many things, but I wasn't in a stressful environment and did not work with unpleasant people. My fellow co-workers were wonderful and I learned everything so easily. I have no idea if the people I will work with have at least minimally a somewhat pleasant demeanor. I've always worked or volunteered in productive and hospitable environments, not hostile ones.

Further, at least as a clerk, I wasn't being evaluated, so I felt great. Believe it or not, there are people in my class who have worked retail and have a little trepidation concerning work as an intern and being evaluated. It's a step-up from a simple clerk or tech, practically a step away from pharmacist. So, it's really not quite the same and fear is normal. As a matter of fact, I tend to perform better when I'm worried about something, but even then, I'd still prefer to just remain completely unmoved by anything. At least the people who have replied to this thread have been helpful and supportive; my nervousness has been somewhat appeased.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

WVU, you're not getting the point. The point here is no longer whether I was anxious before or not. The problem with Old Timer is how he presented himself and how he articulated what he had to say to me. Answer this for me, which apparently you didn't read in that long post: Is it acceptable for him to tell me "Your mother/gf can kiss your ass! " ? Tell me...I have every right to take that the wrong way.

He's telling you that you're family/girlfriend may blow sunshine up your ass, but everyone else in the world doesn't give a damn. The harsh reality of the universe.

And you tell me I'm the one who sounds like a douchebag?

He sounds like a crazy old battle axe. Because that's what he is. Though he freely admits it.

That's not "tough love" or being straight up about things.

I think it is. I mean, that's how *I'd* take it. If he didn't give a damn, he'd ignore it.

You're doing what many people do...ignoring what's not convenient for you.

No, I'm ignoring what's irrelevant.

Is it acceptable for him to proclaim he' giving me a "virtual ass kicking"?

Yes.

Since when is Old Timer the royal highness here?

He isn't. But you asked for opinions, and he's entitled to one...it is what it is.

You should realize his faults too and not just wash your hands as if he didn't say anything that can be misconstrued as offensive.

I don't really think they were offense....but like I said, I was raised in the old school way. And I experienced the feeling of failure a ton in my youth...I played sports...I did terrible in school...I got fired from jobs...so I don't really get the fear of failure as much. It's really never that bad even if you do fail. You should realize, too, that he isn't trying to make you feel bad just to make you feel bad...

In terms of my anxiety, that's a thing of the past; I exaggerated, I admit it. However, at least almost everyone else responding to this forum has been pleasant and has been supportive and encouraging; even you were, WVU. So, please, don't tell me Old Timer's manner of addressing me was kind hearted;

No, it wasn't kind-hearted...but that's not his style. Like it's not my style. But he was trying to help...just in a way you're not used to. Basically, you don't get it...and he doesn't get why you're so offended. Old school can't teach someone brought up in the new school. Hell, I went to school with a lot of them...I didn't really get their bizarre sense of emotional entitlement myself...but it is what it is. Two different universes colliding...

 

[SHC1984]

SHC, you're making an assumption. Reread my first post. I have worked in retail before for about six months. I was a clerk. I know what goes on. However, this was in another state with different laws, different procedure, different protocol, and like I just said, I was merely a clerk. Being an intern is different, especially in another state and for another company. Yes, as a clerk, I had a beginning and had to learn many things, but I wasn't in a stressful environment and did not work with unpleasant people. My fellow co-workers were wonderful and I learned everything so easily. I have no idea if the people I will work with have at least minimally a somewhat pleasant demeanor. I've always worked or volunteered in productive and hospitable environments, not hostile ones.

Further, at least as a clerk, I wasn't being evaluated, so I felt great. Believe it or not, there are people in my class who have worked retail and have a little trepidation concerning work as an intern and being evaluated. It's a step-up from a simple clerk or tech, practically a step away from pharmacist. So, it's really not quite the same and fear is normal. As a matter of fact, I tend to perform better when I'm worried about something, but even then, I'd still prefer to just remain completely unmoved by anything. At least the people who have replied to this thread have been helpful and supportive; my nervousness has been somewhat appeased.

I just reread your post. I see what you mean now. Its very hard to start somewhere new. Especially if its new in PHARMACY! I just started working at Target and having to "re-learn" everthing is very challenging. As an intern you are expected to be smarter and better than the techs and thats very stressful as well. I mean there are techs that have been working for 10+ years and you are expected to know more than them! 😱 My main stress is the computer system at Target. Its a million times LESS effcient than Walgreen's. I am glad I am still a tech now and don't have to "out perform" anyone. As an intern, if you know less than a tech, people will think, "OMG, this is a future pharmacist! how can he or she know LESS than a tech! thats crazy!" 🙄 So yeah, its definetly a lot more stressful, thats why interns are paid more.

 

[DoctorRx1986]

Bull's eye, SHC! Right on Target! 😉....exactly my points.

 

[DoctorRx1986]

WVU, if this is what he's like, wow...if he were my preceptor, he'd probably call me an a****** from day 1 for making a simple mistake or not understanding him. Guess you're right...His methodology of instructing or helping the younger generation is vastly different and I'm simply not used to it. My life has been a life of success and I've never experienced failure in anything; no real hardships whatsoever. My father, born in the 60s, however, was what I consider a jerk and tough; however, as you quickly realized, being tough with me does not move me; quite the contrary, it makes me rebellious. I'm more moved by gentle, kinder words; not necessarily coddling like you alluded to earlier, but more in between two extremes. Guess this is why I completely shut my father out of my life three years ago and have never spoken to him since...he was having one of his "tough" episodes with me so I could learn something and I didn't want to bother with it...didn't want to tolerate it. As you said, two different universes...

Now, I'm just waiting, WVU. When Old Timer signs on later today and reads everything I've written, I know he's going to retaliate and try to spite me once more. It's just a matter of time before he does so...guess this is becoming more of a source of entertainment for some other members ; but whatever, i'm ready for an attack...

 

[WVUPharm2007]

I just reread your post. I see what you mean now. Its very hard to start somewhere new. Especially if its new in PHARMACY! I just started working at Target and having to "re-learn" everthing is very challenging. As an intern you are expected to be smarter and better than the techs and thats very stressful as well. I mean there are techs that have been working for 10+ years and you are expected to know more than them! 😱 My main stress is the computer system at Target. Its a million times LESS effcient than Walgreen's. I am glad I am still a tech now and don't have to "out perform" anyone. As an intern, if you know less than a tech, people will think, "OMG, this is a future pharmacist! how can he or she know LESS than a tech! thats crazy!" 🙄 So yeah, its definetly a lot more stressful, thats why interns are paid more.

This is off base, too. Whenever I get new interns, I most certainly don't expect them to really know anything...let alone be better than a tech with 10 years of experience.

Y'all think too much.

 

[SHC1984]

Bull's eye, SHC! Right on Target! 😉....exactly my points.

One more thing I forgot to mention that I wanted to say before. There is NOTHING wrong with NOT wanting to work during pharmacy school. I think its crazy when people say, "Pharmacy students should work X number of hours." or "its not hard working 25 hours a week while in Pharmacy school."

Well working during school is very diffcult and should only be done if you really can't afford to not work. If you can afford to not work during school than DON'T. Earlier I say that I didn't think you had a job before, but I should have added there is NOTHING WRONG with never having a job before. Being a student is a FULL TIME job!

I am only planning to work 8 hours a week during pharmacy school and thats so I can secure my spot as a pharmacist in the future. I applaud people that can work more than 20 hours a week while in pharmacy school.

 

[SHC1984]

This is off base, too. Whenever I get new interns, I most certainly don't expect them to really know anything...let alone be better than a tech with 10 years of experience.

Y'all think too much.

Are you talking about people in IPPE or Interns that actually get paid??? I am talking about Interns that actually get paid...i am sure they are expected to do A LOT more than IPPE b/c IPPE students aren't getting pay so they don't have as much pressure as interns thats getting a salary.

 

[DoctorRx1986]

One more thing I forgot to mention that I wanted to say before. There is NOTHING wrong with NOT wanting to work during pharmacy school. I think its crazy when people say, "Pharmacy students should work X number of hours." or "its not hard working 25 hours a week while in Pharmacy school."

Well working during school is very diffcult and should only be done if you really can't afford to not work. If you can afford to not work during school than DON'T. Earlier I say that I didn't think you had a job before, but I should have added there is NOTHING WRONG with never having a job before. Being a student is a FULL TIME job!

I am only planning to work 8 hours a week during pharmacy school and thats so I can secure my spot as a pharmacist in the future. I applaud people that can work more than 20 hours a week while in pharmacy school.

As Old Timer would say, YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU, are the reason why IPPE exists. You think it's ok not to work while attending school? You think it's ok to work a measly 8 hours per week? DROP OUT NOW, SHC1984, FOR YOU WILL NEVER BE A PHARMACIST! ROFL.

I agree with you SHC, but what I bolded above is more or less what old timer expressed when he read my post; worse yet, I never even said I've never held down a job before or that I have no intentions of working during school. But he certainly assumed it. Whatever though. And yes, being a student is a full time job.

I believe it's a good idea to work at least a few hours per week during school even if you could afford not to so long as the hours don't cut down too much on your study time. I am well off during the year and have no need to worry about work, but I'm still planning on working perhaps 4 or 8 hours a week once I hit P3 year. But wait...I'm waiting until P3 year to get started? OMG! I should drop out right now, SHC... 🙄

 

[WVUPharm2007]

WVU, if this is what he's like, wow...if he were my preceptor, he'd probably call me an a****** from day 1 for making a simple mistake or not understanding him. Guess you're right...His methodology of instructing or helping the younger generation is vastly different and I'm simply not used to it. My life has been a life of success and I've never experienced failure in anything; no real hardships whatsoever. My father, born in the 60s, however, was what I consider a jerk and tough; however, as you quickly realized, being tough with me does not move me; quite the contrary, it makes me rebellious. I'm more moved by gentle, kinder words; not necessarily coddling like you alluded to earlier, but more in between two extremes. Guess this is why I completely shut my father out of my life three years ago and have never spoken to him since...he was having one of his "tough" episodes with me so I could learn something and I didn't want to bother with it...didn't want to tolerate it. As you said, two different universes...

Well, the problem is that the world is run by stone-cold capitalists. There is a mountain more of "hard love" (a.k.a. life in the real world) for you in your future...so, really, you should probably accept this and get used to it. If you think your future employer will care about your feelings, you are mistaken. If you think your future patients care about your feelings, you are mistaken.

And it's for your own good - because I'm here to tell you right now - being a pharmacist in any setting takes thick skin. We are the red-headed stepchildren of healthcare. Too small in numbers for anyone to care about and we are not generators of income - capitalists see the average pharmacist (especially in retail) as an annoyance that provides no value. And as such, we have no backup, no advocates...just us...and lumps we take...

Note: However those of us with a niche in MINIMIZING income loss will always have a certain amount of power (i.e. Zpak...and what I am striving towards in the future...) Capitalists like those types. Natch.

 

[GoldfishPharmD]

I don't think interns that are getting paid are expected to know more than techs that's been there for years. Shoot, when I was a tech, I was showing interns there for the summer what to do. They weren't rushed into doing things with a have at it attitude. They came in and started off slowly. From my observations, they really didn't do much more than techs did. I think the pharmacist allowed them to take calls off the answering machine, but the pharmacist went back over it to make sure the intern didn't screw up. They didn't counsel or do finals checks on the medications.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Are you talking about people in IPPE or Interns that actually get paid??? I am talking about Interns that actually get paid...i am sure they are expected to do A LOT more than IPPE b/c IPPE students aren't getting pay so they don't have as much pressure as interns thats getting a salary.

In time...but not off the bat. And I never expect them to ever be better at their jobs than a tech with ten years of experience. 4 years of part time work will never replace 10+ years of experience unless we are talking about an exceptional individual.

 

[confettiflyer]

One more thing I forgot to mention that I wanted to say before. There is NOTHING wrong with NOT wanting to work during pharmacy school. I think its crazy when people say, "Pharmacy students should work X number of hours." or "its not hard working 25 hours a week while in Pharmacy school."

Well working during school is very diffcult and should only be done if you really can't afford to not work. If you can afford to not work during school than DON'T. Earlier I say that I didn't think you had a job before, but I should have added there is NOTHING WRONG with never having a job before. Being a student is a FULL TIME job!

I am only planning to work 8 hours a week during pharmacy school and thats so I can secure my spot as a pharmacist in the future. I applaud people that can work more than 20 hours a week while in pharmacy school.

I'm seriously debating not working at all and moving to a state with zero intern hours required (IL, NJ) for a year, then reciprocating back to CA after that year long "vacation." I take entirely too many random vacations during the year, I'd rather not have a potential boss look at my availability and laugh.

 

[Sparda29]

Why work if you aren't getting pay? Just WATCH. LOL...Just kidding, but I really wish they pay us for IPPE. I have never worked for "free" in my entire life.

Why? Because I can't wait to get the hell out of that place, and I get BORED really easily, lol. (I got reprimanded for reading the newspaper on the work bench while waiting for the pharmacist to get me something to do.) It totally sucks that the IPPEs are in the vacation months instead of like 1 day every week in the school year.

Wasn't much to watch over there, the only salvaging part of that IPPE was that since 75% of their scripts or so were for HIV patients, I learned A LOT of what I missed during lectures and stuff.

 

[metrarx]

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[DoctorRx1986]

No, metrarx, when I say being in command, I mean being in command of myself/knowing what I'm doing. Not much else. Of course, the techs will know more than I do. I do not have any anxiety disorder; if I did, chances are I wouldn't have made it this far academically...and in the event that it's possible, chances are slim. Like I posted elsewhere, my reaction was exaggerated. And no, I have no reason to report you anyway, as I don't find your post offensive. Enough said.

 

[wellwell]

Jesus H. Christ, you've obviously never worked or set foot in a Publix store. If you think you are going to be doing some sort of CVS-esque 500+ a day you are sadly mistaken.

 

[DoctorRx1986]

Jesus H. Christ, you've obviously never worked or set foot in a Publix store. If you think you are going to be doing some sort of CVS-esque 500+ a day you are sadly mistaken.

I've been to Publix before, but have always been completely oblivious to the pharmacy. I don't know much about their operations.

 

[SHC1984]

As Old Timer would say, YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU, are the reason why IPPE exists. You think it's ok not to work while attending school? You think it's ok to work a measly 8 hours per week? DROP OUT NOW, SHC1984, FOR YOU WILL NEVER BE A PHARMACIST! ROFL.

I agree with you SHC, but what I bolded above is more or less what old timer expressed when he read my post; worse yet, I never even said I've never held down a job before or that I have no intentions of working during school. But he certainly assumed it. Whatever though. And yes, being a student is a full time job.

I believe it's a good idea to work at least a few hours per week during school even if you could afford not to so long as the hours don't cut down too much on your study time. I am well off during the year and have no need to worry about work, but I'm still planning on working perhaps 4 or 8 hours a week once I hit P3 year. But wait...I'm waiting until P3 year to get started? OMG! I should drop out right now, SHC... 🙄

LOL...Yeah, but I had people like Old Timer tell me stuff like that all the time so I am use to it. There are always going to be people that think its good to work a lot of hours during pharmacy school and there will always be people like me that don't think its a good idea. I have to study and I am not the type to study the night before the exam, so I can't work more than 8 hours a week.

However I agree, its good to work 4 to 8 hours a week during P1, P2 and P3 b/c that helps you SECURE a spot in the future. NO ONE knows there might be a huge surplus in the near future and most companies prefer hiring people that have been working for them for a few years, versus someone that has never step foot in a pharmacy. Thats why I am working.

However, if someone can manage to maintain a 4.0 GPA in pharmacy school while working 25+ hours a week than I will freely admit that they are "SMARTER" than me. I have no problem admitting to those individuals that they are smart or cool etc.

 

[SHC1984]

I'm seriously debating not working at all and moving to a state with zero intern hours required (IL, NJ) for a year, then reciprocating back to CA after that year long "vacation." I take entirely too many random vacations during the year, I'd rather not have a potential boss look at my availability and laugh.

Where do you check for required hours? GA require any? I don't even know!

I have NO problem working 4 to 8 hours a week WITH PAY. What I don't like is working for FREE!👎 IPPE is completely useless. I rather work and GET PAID. I don't care what the require hours are as long as I get $$$ in my pocket.

 

[DoctorRx1986]

Where do you check for required hours? GA require any? I don't even know!

I have NO problem working 4 to 8 hours a week WITH PAY. What I don't like is working for FREE!👎 IPPE is completely useless. I rather work and GET PAID. I don't care what the require hours are as long as I get $$$ in my pocket.

Lol, as some would say, "typical of the young crowd...money money money...GET THE HELL OUT OF PHARMACY if all you care about is money! People like YOU have brought down this profession to the current state it's in! DROP OUT NOW!" 😉

I don't mind IPPE hours even if I don't get paid, but that's just me. How do you like Target, by the way?

 

[SHC1984]

Lol, as some would say, "typical of the young crowd...money money money...GET THE HELL OUT OF PHARMACY if all you care about is money! People like YOU have brought down this profession to the current state it's in! DROP OUT NOW!" 😉

I don't mind IPPE hours even if I don't get paid, but that's just me. How do you like Target, by the way?

Hey now, everyone NEEDS money! 😛

Instead of IPPE, pharmacy schools should just say everyone has to get a job working at least X hours per week. That way we can get PAID. And get the same benefits that IPPE gives us. Instead of IPPE why don't pharmacy school just require everyone to have a job instead?

Target is good, they close for lunch, allow 15 minute breaks, slow pace, friendly enviroment etc.

However, the computer system is from the 1980s..its OLD and very inefficent. Plus I am NOT a computer person so it takes me a while to learn it. Other than that Target is great. When I was working at Walgreens a pharmacist told me that Target was the only store he applied to that flat out rejected him. He also said that out of everyone in his entire class only ONE PERSON got to work at Target when she graduated and thats only b/c she was an intern there for 3 years and a tech for 2 years! After I heard that I KNEW I better be at intern there to "secure" my spot or be jobless when I graduate. 🙄

 

[confettiflyer]

Lol, as some would say, "typical of the young crowd...money money money...GET THE HELL OUT OF PHARMACY if all you care about is money! People like YOU have brought down this profession to the current state it's in! DROP OUT NOW!" 😉

lol, good lord, usually you aren't worth replying to...


I had the choice of making crap as an intern ($17.75/hr) or getting my real estate boogie on and take advantage of this giant mess of an economy.

I kind of have a lifestyle to maintain so I'm gonna do what I need to do to take care of that, so I'm going to maximize my time. It's called efficiency. I'll start putting in more hours later (if I choose to do it) at a higher price point and not an more than the 900 I need for CA licensure.

I'm a realist, I chose a profession that's stable, generally growing, and not as exposed to the cyclical nature of RE and business. If I strictly stuck to something I "loved" then I'd be broke, unable to maintain a certain lifestyle, and sucking off the government teat. That, sir, is unpatriotic!