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[Sarcoidosis]

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Try Careermd website they have many options for healthcare workers and you will get in touch with recruiters that have more knowledge about what else you can do within this transition period.

As for the other issue brewing in this forum which is working in the place of NP/PA....

While reading them... it makes absolutely nosense to me why and MD with partial residency can't be hired as an NP/PA other than the point regarding different insurance coverage issue.

Yes... NP/PA are completely different degrees and they have studied medicine in less depth. However, I have worked with NP/PA and their work is less than equivalent to a resident. So why can't MD in certain situations fill such positions. Logically it makes no sense for someone to go out and work in a completely different field for one year when in fact he/she would make an awesome NP/PA. As an independent physician, I would hire an experienced resident over a PA/NP.

Now that I have said that....

But with the above argument what happens is that this allows the NP/PA's lobbying groups to say they can upgrade their degrees to an MD with some more years of education...
As well, by allowing MD to take NP/PA jobs and by qualifying this as a possibility we are creating a dangerous paradigm shift in the healthcare field in regards to the role of a physician.
So I understand why some posters may hesitate to agree...

 

[Arcan57]

Try Careermd website they have many options for healthcare workers and you will get in touch with recruiters that have more knowledge about what else you can do within this transition period.

As for the other issue brewing in this forum which is working in the place of NP/PA....

While reading them... it makes absolutely nosense to me why and MD with partial residency can't be hired as an NP/PA other than the point regarding different insurance coverage issue.

Yes... NP/PA are completely different degrees and they have studied medicine in less depth. However, I have worked with NP/PA and their work is less than equivalent to a resident. So why can't MD in certain situations fill such positions. Logically it makes no sense for someone to go out and work in a completely different field for one year when in fact he/she would make an awesome NP/PA. As an independent physician, I would hire an experienced resident over a PA/NP.

Now that I have said that....

But with the above argument what happens is that this allows the NP/PA's lobbying groups to say they can upgrade their degrees to an MD with some more years of education...
As well, by allowing MD to take NP/PA jobs and by qualifying this as a possibility we are creating a dangerous paradigm shift in the healthcare field in regards to the role of a physician.
So I understand why some posters may hesitate to agree...

This argument makes sense if you ignore some basic realities. Most physicians that employ midlevels expect them to operate at about the level of a PGY-2 in their given field. Now if you take the average PGY-2 resident and forced them to become an MLP they would do fine, at least comparable to an MLP of equivalent experience.

The vast majority of PGY-2s would also tell you to get lost if you suggested they drop out of residency to take an MLP position. The residents that would be open to taking these positions would be DIFFERENT then the average resident. As much as every SDN sob story talks about vindictive PDs and betrayal by a sociopathic attending, MOST MDs that are unable to complete a residency were rendering care that was significantly below the standard for their level of training. Generalizing the average resident's performance (who does complete residency and obtain board certification) to this sub-group is not a valid argument.

 

[HondoCrouch]

Well I guess according to what some other posters said, I may be wrong on the license type. I had a license when I was an intern but have not applied for a license otherwise.

I find it hard to believe you are a physician. How could someone with the wherewithal to make it through medical school be so clueless as to the licensing process, and not even know what kind of license he/she has?

 

[CambieMD]

I am an MD AMG, but I checked the guidelines for my state and I can't get a license, and I think it would be too complicated to get a license in another state, particularly if it takes that long and it's that $$. I saw that there are some locum jobs for medicare HP's that pay decently well, I will look into that I guess. But it sucks that the PA/NP options are non existent for me and that I can't really work in any other clinical capacity during this year. 🙁

I found myself in a similar situation several years ago. I had a full license so I was able to find a moon lighting job in a locked psychiatric ward. An MD degree + one year of internship does not qualify you for much. You really need to secure a full license. No one will allow you any patient contact without a full medical license. I was a lab tech before I went to medical school so I found work in a clinical microbiology job for a few months while I waited for my license to come through. If you took step 3 and completed an internship you should work on obtaining a full medical license.

I am sure that someone has suggested that you find work in a lab. Lab work can be highly specialized. You may need experience.

If all else fails contact the program that you are going to in a year and see if they can set something up for you.

All the best,

Cambie

 

[Sarcoidosis]

This argument makes sense if you ignore some basic realities. Most physicians that employ midlevels expect them to operate at about the level of a PGY-2 in their given field. Now if you take the average PGY-2 resident and forced them to become an MLP they would do fine, at least comparable to an MLP of equivalent experience.

The vast majority of PGY-2s would also tell you to get lost if you suggested they drop out of residency to take an MLP position. The residents that would be open to taking these positions would be DIFFERENT then the average resident. As much as every SDN sob story talks about vindictive PDs and betrayal by a sociopathic attending, MOST MDs that are unable to complete a residency were rendering care that was significantly below the standard for their level of training. Generalizing the average resident's performance (who does complete residency and obtain board certification) to this sub-group is not a valid argument.

So you agree that an average PGY-2 resident forced to become and MLP would do fine...

Yes, I agree... the key word is "forced"

I do not want to comment on your other statements as they are of an inflammatory nature and as you said it best "ignore some basic realities".

 

[Dermpath]

I found myself in a similar situation several years ago. I had a full license so I was able to find a moon lighting job in a locked psychiatric ward. An MD degree + one year of internship does not qualify you for much. You really need to secure a full license. No one will allow you any patient contact without a full medical license. I was a lab tech before I went to medical school so I found work in a clinical microbiology job for a few months while I waited for my license to come through. If you took step 3 and completed an internship you should work on obtaining a full medical license.

I am sure that someone has suggested that you find work in a lab. Lab work can be highly specialized. You may need experience.

If all else fails contact the program that you are going to in a year and see if they can set something up for you.

All the best,

Cambie

Thanks Cambie. It's a little bit complicated for me to get a full license given that my state is more strict, but I will look into getting a full license at a nearby state. I have gotten contacted by some locum people and will look into that. I'm also waiting to hear about a few fellowships as well. If not I will look into working with medicare, apparently they hire docs to do exams, and so forth and pay pretty well. Thanks for the suggestions though.

 

[Nellyakgo]

Yes... NP/PA are completely different degrees and they have studied medicine in less depth. However, I have worked with NP/PA and their work is less than equivalent to a resident. So why can't MD in certain situations fill such positions. Logically it makes no sense for someone to go out and work in a completely different field for one year when in fact he/she would make an awesome NP/PA. As an independent physician, I would hire an experienced resident over a PA/NP.

Now that I have said that....

But with the above argument what happens is that this allows the NP/PA's lobbying groups to say they can upgrade their degrees to an MD with some more years of education...
As well, by allowing MD to take NP/PA jobs and by qualifying this as a possibility we are creating a dangerous paradigm shift in the healthcare field in regards to the role of a physician.
So I understand why some posters may hesitate to agree...

This hadn't occurred to me. Excellent point. Politics... Sigh...