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I am a first year vet student and now that we are a good couple months into school it seems as if a lot of my classmates have forgotten common respect towards each other. Talking in class is ridiculous and our professors have pretty much told us it is up to ourselves to regulate each other. I was wondering if anybody else is having this problem or if any non-first year students have experienced this before?

It is hard to believe we are in professional school. Never did this happen in any of my undergraduate classes. I havent seen this since high school actually. Not only is it a total disrespect to each other, but also to our professors. I understand we are together for hours upon hours everyday and most of our class has bonded, but still... this problem is sort of turning our class against itself... those who get annoyed by those who talk all the time and those who get annoyed by those asking everyone to be quiet all the time...

If anyone has any suggestions, they would be greatly appreciated!
 
You don't go to Mizzou, do you? :laugh: We are having (in my opinion) the same problem. 🙄 I don't mind if you have a question and you turn to the person sitting next to you to clarify a point, but man, some people go on having full conversations. 😡
 
No, I think we're talking about Penn.

It's getting ridiculous. I'm getting into too much debt to sit through class and not be able to hear the professor. No one is forcing people to go to class. I wish that if they just wouldn't come if they're going to insist on talking constantly.

I'd love to hear what other schools have done about this.
 
Can't you address these issues with the President of your class or the Dean of Student Affairs. Although we aren't having these issues, the first step in the system we have is to talk to the President and they can address the class on the issue. If it became a really big issue we could address any number of people in student affairs. Maybe by making an announcement inbetween classes (if you haven't tried this already) would help. Maybe if the people doing this knew how much it was affecting the other students they would try to monitor themselves a bit more.
 
we were starting to have this problem but the prez made an announcment about it. it got better for a while but now it is getting worse again. he'll prob have to mention it again soon. this girl near me told a whole story about her dog to the person next to her during class! there are a few people that act like they are in high school- very immature. it drives me crazy.
 
ri23 said:
Can't you address these issues with the President of your class or the Dean of Student Affairs. Although we aren't having these issues, the first step in the system we have is to talk to the President and they can address the class on the issue. If it became a really big issue we could address any number of people in student affairs. Maybe by making an announcement inbetween classes (if you haven't tried this already) would help. Maybe if the people doing this knew how much it was affecting the other students they would try to monitor themselves a bit more.
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Here is the sad part: We have already had the Dean speak to us over a month ago about this issue. It worked for about a day. We have had students be proactive about this issue by sending class-wide emails and such. It has now turned into that the students who chat during class just scoff at our requests to be quiet during lecture.

Who would have thought that for the insane tuition (each class costs $40-$70 depending on residency status) and the fact that we are in a professional school, this would ever be an issue?

I will admit (though this is wrong of me I know) that I am slightly comforted knowing this is happening at other schools (thanks mizzou and penn! oh, after i posted this i see that mississippi and au have joined the rude crowd as well) 🙂
 
Maybe I'm naive, but I think everyone in our class is pretty respectful to professors. The only real issue that we've had (and it actually became a pretty big issue) is that at our first mandatory SCAVMA meeting during our lunch hour, there was 10 minutes left of the hour and we hadn't gotten a chance to eat lunch yet. Someone in our class raised her hand and asked a SCAVMA officer if she knew that we had class at one and that we hadn't eaten yet (we aren't allowed to eat in our lecture hall and they were serving us lunch). She said that she was aware and that we should all calm down. They ended up letting us out to stand in line for our food with 5 minutes left of the class (of 140 by the way). We ended up having to start our next class 15 minutes late and we started getting emails from upper classmen stating that we should never interrupt a speaker to stop for lunch, that that was rude. Eventually our class sent out a letter informing everyone explaining the situation and the fact that we had to make our professor wait for 15 minutes while people got their food and ate.

As a class though, I think we are getting along pretty well, then again we haven't been in class as long as the rest of you yet 😉
 
ri23 said:
😉Maybe I'm naive, but I think everyone in our class is pretty respectful to professors. The only real issue that we've had (and it actually became a pretty big issue) is that at our first mandatory SCAVMA meeting during our lunch hour, there was 10 minutes left of the hour and we hadn't gotten a chance to eat lunch yet. Someone in our class raised her hand and asked a SCAVMA officer if she knew that we had class at one and that we hadn't eaten yet (we aren't allowed to eat in our lecture hall and they were serving us lunch). She said that she was aware and that we should all calm down. They ended up letting us out to stand in line for our food with 5 minutes left of the class (of 140 by the way). We ended up having to start our next class 15 minutes late and we started getting emails from upper classmen stating that we should never interrupt a speaker to stop for lunch, that that was rude. Eventually our class sent out a letter informing everyone explaining the situation and the fact that we had to make our professor wait for 15 minutes while people got their food and ate.

As a class though, I think we are getting along pretty well, then again we haven't been in class as long as the rest of you yet 😉
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i would have just left - those meetings are a waste of time anyways.
 
i'm pretty sure every class goes through this at one time or another. there were lots of people that got really worked up about stuff like this in our class - and despite them, people did what they wanted. Eventually things calmed down and people either stopped coming to class, or piped down. i think it relates to the fact that this is a bit of a stressful time in the semester with exams and all hell breaking loose - and you start to go insane sitting in lectures all the time.

it will get better.
 
The VMRCVM solution: a sergeant at arms. We actually elected two in our class. It's an elected position, like President, etc and this person is responsible for keeping order. They make sure everyone knows when class is starting and get us under control if we get wildly distracted (which hasn't really happened). How do they accomplish this? Well one of the guys is practically a giant and bald and works out and even though he's a goof everyone listens to him 🙂. But also....the bells. Other classes have cowbells, we have this gigantic town-ringer type bell that the asst. dean actually loaned us as well as a little table top gong thing (one "bell" for each sergeant). At the beginning of class the sergeant rings the bell and we shut up and get to work. From what visiting speakers have said, we're the only school to employ such a self-governing mechanism and it works really well. 🙂 Plus the gong is just cool.
 
catdoc said:
Talking in class is ridiculous and our professors have pretty much told us it is up to ourselves to regulate each other.
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There's your problem. The professors need to step up, do their job and control the classroom. Students have enough to worry about without having to police the other students.

I know the hip thing these days is to avoid anything that might be stressful to the students and have everyone pretend like vet school is one big happy party.

That's a bunch of ... well you know.

Vet school should be a rigorous training program. The professors should set high standards for behavior as well as academics and then insist the students follow them.

In this case, the professor should let everyone know the rules on the first day of class. After that you either behave or leave. Either way, problem solved.
 
Things are pretty respectful here at TN. Class attendance isn't required, but generally over 90% of people come to class and stay quiet during it. Occasionally there is whispering from the right side of the room, but they generally keep it quiet. It's really easy to pay attention to most of the professors. If people don't want to pay attention, they generally work the crossword and keep quiet.

I feel sorry for all of you guys with the loud classes, and I feel even luckier to be here!
 
hey guys, i understand everyone's frustrations but if you guys are really having that hard of a time hearing the professor then why dont you just sit closer to the front? I always sit in one of the first few rows and I've never had a hard time hearing the professor, even the ones with the really difficult accents. And at Penn the first two rows of the classroom are always empty. Sometimes you gotta just accept that you can't control what other people do and take care of your own.
 
Except I sit in the first or second row and people in the third row talk. 🙄 Believe me, I've tried. I moved away from the back from my friends to sit closer to the front and it didn't help. 😡
 
Haha. It's a relief to see this everywhere else. I'm at St. Matthew's in Grand Cayman and my class only has 7, so we're pretty quiet naturally. But the "huge" class of 24 in semester 1 is very loud. I think they're having a mandatory meeting with the dean to address it, along with other issues.
 
That is very very surprising. If and when I finally get into vet school and I'm paying $30,000 a year for classes and there are a bunch of immature people talking in class (jesus christ how did they even get in...) I would just yell at them to shut the **** up! That always works in my undergrad classes at least.
 
See, what makes sense in undergrad is like taboo in vet school. It's like you are considered rude for telling other people to stop talking about random crap in class (who they themselves are being rude). You'd think it'd make sense. But apparently my school isn't the only one. 🙄
 
thereservoirdog said:
That is very very surprising. If and when I finally get into vet school and I'm paying $30,000 a year for classes and there are a bunch of immature people talking in class (jesus christ how did they even get in...) I would just yell at them to shut the **** up! That always works in my undergrad classes at least.
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Because yelling and cursing to get your point across is clearly less immature than your classmates talking. Not that they aren't rude and inconsiderate...but yelling and cursing is in the same social conduct DON'T list that talking during a lecture is. I'd ask your question about you too, if that's how you would choose to respond. Sheesh...
 
Beagingese said:
Because yelling and cursing to get your point across is clearly less immature than your classmates talking. Not that they aren't rude and inconsiderate...but yelling and cursing is in the same social conduct DON'T list that talking during a lecture is. I'd ask your question about you too, if that's how you would choose to respond. Sheesh...
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Geez Beagingese...have a bad day 😕 (Go ahead, vent, but lets not pick a fight with everyone!!) Yes, yelling the exact response suggested by thereservoirdog may not be the most professional way to get someone to be quiet, but the general idea of telling them (during lecture) to be quiet is appropriate, which I think is the point he and everyone else is trying to make.
 
Wow. I am just astounded. Seriously. Like Pressmom, I am glad to be at Tennessee if this is what it's like at other schools. Actually, I am darn glad to be here anyway, because it's a really great school with a really great atmosphere, but this just cements it.

It sounds as though these people have a sense of entitlement about their place on the class roster. I would think that disrespecting a professor would fall under "conduct unbecoming of a veterinary student" --an offense that can land one right out of vet school. In any case, once they get to clinics, rudeness isn't going to fly and they might find they get less than stellar grades based on a bad attitude.

If several professors have trouble maintaining order in the classroom, it indicates a deeper problem. It sounds as though they don't feel supported by the administration, or don't feel entitiled to respect. None of our teachers nor administrators are scary, in fact, most of them are extremely friendly and nice. They just put out energy that commands respect. It comes from the top down.

Either that, or Tennessee selects applicants who display good manners. When someone is disinterested, they either work a crossword or suduko quietly, study for the always looming anatomy quiz or just don't come to class. And when our microanatomy teacher tells us to put away our gross anatomy notes and pay attention to her lecture, we do it.

In any case, I am sorry that some of you are having such problems.
 
Haha, that's funny that you mention that critterfix, soduko is exactly what we do when we are bored 😉. But in general, people pay attention or don't come if we have a test to study for and they know they aren't going to pay attention. It's a lot better just to go and study by yourself for awhile then to flip through pages and disrupt other people in class.

On a side note, nearly all of our professors are extremely interesting. We are being taught muscle histology by the person who discovered the interactions of troponin and tropomysin and anatomy be the former president of the veterinary anatomists society. It really puts you in awe of how much these people have done with their careers, but they are also very willing to listen to suggestions and go over things on a one on one basis.
 
Beagingese said:
Because yelling and cursing to get your point across is clearly less immature than your classmates talking. Not that they aren't rude and inconsiderate...but yelling and cursing is in the same social conduct DON'T list that talking during a lecture is. I'd ask your question about you too, if that's how you would choose to respond. Sheesh...
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Obviously asking these people to quiet down isn't working is it? I'd rather simply get my point across in that case than have a "sergeant at arms" with a gong. Is that a vet school or a boot camp?

Oh well, to each his own.
 
Well... I really did not think that people in a professional school could be so RUDE! I go to KSU and honestly our class has some problems with paying attention (I mean our school did provide us all with Tablet Laptops which are great for playing games with your screen flipped down so no one sees 😉), but for the most part everyone pays attention and are respectful of the professors. I think our main problem has to do with some students who are constantly taking up the teachers time! Everytime I need help during lab our teacher is no where to be found... OH YEA WAIT...they are STILL helping the SAME people they were helping 3 hours ago! Teacher HOGGERS! I hope none of you have this person in your class. It is very VERY frustrating! Sorry I needed to vent...
 
critterfixer said:
I would think that disrespecting a professor would fall under "conduct unbecoming of a veterinary student" --an offense that can land one right out of vet school.
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Yes, but are they willing to lose the tuition money? Though it seems horrible, an answer to this may be for the school to accept a few more people than they need, like medical school, and then cut some people. But the problem with this is that it would introduce a cut throat attitude...

Anyway, we really don't have the talking problem at my school. But then again we have an instructor who will eviscerate you if he sees you talking in class. Sounds like the instructors/administration at some schools need to get some cojones.

I must admit I had a problem with surfing the web on my computer during class. I now make myself take notes with pen and pencil and don't even get the computer out.
 
Capella said:
Anyway, we really don't have the talking problem at my school. But then again we have an instructor who will eviscerate you if he sees you talking in class. Sounds like the instructors/administration at some schools need to get some cojones.
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For real! I taught the undergrad non-science major biology lab at Mizzou for three years during grad school and it had a 2 hour lab and a 1 hour lecture/discussion section. People did NOT talk in my class and I was actually as old as a few seniors in my section (I started kindergarten when I was 4 instead of 5) my first year of teaching during my first year of grad school. It's not about age, it's about presence. I think a big part of it is that when you're in a lecture, especially a big lecture, people think that the professor somehow has a magical shield between them and the students so they can't see you sleeping or chatting or whatever. When I started teaching, all the sudden I realized some students subconsciously think this. Professors and instructors can totally tell, whether they let on or not.
 
Speaking of presence, in the first week or two of classes, one woman had the misfortune of being the third person late through the door. Our anatomy professor stopped mid-sentence, pointed at her, and said, "that will be the LAST time anyone is late for this class. Period. You're in veterinary school. If you can't take it seriously enough to be here on time, don't come."

I can tell you that I am not aware of a single person coming to anatomy late since then. He just conveyed that he was absolutely serious and no one has had the gall to challenge him on that matter.
 
As a current applicant, I find this thread distressing, too! Any hints on how to talk to current students (when visiting campus etc) to find out about classroom atmosphere? Can applicants visit lectures, do you know? Any thoughts on Cornell, Davis, Tufts, or Wisconsin (my top choices)?
 
They keep telling us that every class has a personality, so you probably will not be able to figure out how your class will act from seeing other classes in the college. Though, you may get an idea on how the teacher's respond to distractions.

I don't know about applicants visiting lectures. At least for OSU, there really aren't extra seats so I don't know that we are able to prospective students at lectures.
 
hoodle said:
As a current applicant, I find this thread distressing, too! Any hints on how to talk to current students (when visiting campus etc) to find out about classroom atmosphere? Can applicants visit lectures, do you know? Any thoughts on Cornell, Davis, Tufts, or Wisconsin (my top choices)?
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I have no complaints about fellow students during lectures at WI. For the most part, everyone shows up and pays attention. (There are of course the few people that do the crossword puzzle...but they're still quiet)

As far as sitting in on lectures...I guess I would call and ask each school. I can't see how it could be a big deal... in fact, last week in Histology lab, we had ~40 pre-vet students come and hang out with us for 1/2hr...asking us questions, looking at slides, etc.
 
There's nothing wrong with asking about sitting in on lectures, but don't hold it against the school if they say no. It can be disruptive having people coming and going. Also with PETA wackos and stuff like at Va. Tech, there are at least some security issues the admins have to deal with.
 
Bill59 said:
There's nothing wrong with asking about sitting in on lectures, but don't hold it against the school if they say no. It can be disruptive having people coming and going.
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Or in our school's case, there are few if any open seats when the whole class is present. Our school is also very particular about security.

I really don't think sitting in on one or two lectures will give you much of an idea of the class atmosphere. Ours changes daily... if it's been a long week of exams, everyone will likely be grumpy and tired. If it's the first day back from a long weekend, you'll probably have more chit-chat about what everyone was up to.

In the end, it is totally going to be dependent on the people in your class, and just a little bit on how much the school and/or teachers are willing to put up with. We have some peers that make class a little painful at times (asking way out there questions, taking up the teachers time), but for the most part our faculty has made it very clear that conversation during class is unacceptable (as is being late!)

One thing to decide is if people playing around on their laptops is going to bother you, and if so, always sit in the front row so you're not constantly looking at the person in front of you's facebook pictures... 😀
 
alonepear said:
One thing to decide is if people playing around on their laptops is going to bother you, and if so, always sit in the front row so you're not constantly looking at the person in front of you's facebook pictures... 😀
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disclaimer: sorry, a rant ahead...

this drives me crazy! there is someone next to me who literally spends ALL day on instant messanger - even when the instructor specifically asks you to only have your laptop open if you are following along with the lecture. so while the rest of us are listening in class (to a guest lecturer today, no less), all i can hear is the typing going on next to me and see windows popping up and down out of the corner of my eye. this is just blatent disrespect for the speaker who just asked you to not do it. i know it seems petty, but when it goes on everyday, it just gets to be a little much. go out in the lounge if you are going to distract others.

whew. sorry guys. just had to blow off a little steam 😀
 
At least IMing and Facebook are silent though (with the exception of the keys clicking)! Our lecturer for physiology today on respiratory physiology was the assistant dean of the school and the two girls in front of me STILL INSISTED ON TALKING ALL THROUGHOUT HIS LECTURE!! Then during cell biology the next hour, our class secretary walks in (she skipped the first class) and sits in the chair behind me and starts talking with the girl next to her. So I have four girls talking on literally all sides of me. I finally had to tell the cell biology professor, as I literally cannot concentrate. He'll be mentioning it in class tomorrow, thank God.
 
i'm with chipster. sit down front if you don't want to sit next to the chatters. problem solved?

for what it's worth... i love penn. despite the chatter-ers. maybe because of?
 
Emio, I heard a rumor that by the end of the semester at Penn, most of the students are skipping class just to study all day. Just wondering if this is true? (A few Pennsylvania people who didn't get into Penn told me this, so I wanted to ask someone who actually goes there... =)
 
so far this year almost everyone still goes to class. Classes such as Intro to Vet Med are kind of a joke so not many people go. The second years have told me that most people skip a lot because they have an exam every monday and friday and so take class time off to study. A lot of 2nd years I think take turns going to class and swap notes. But as for the first years, most everyone goes to class.
 
ZoeyBay said:
disclaimer: sorry, a rant ahead...

this drives me crazy! there is someone next to me who literally spends ALL day on instant messanger - even when the instructor specifically asks you to only have your laptop open if you are following along with the lecture. so while the rest of us are listening in class (to a guest lecturer today, no less), all i can hear is the typing going on next to me and see windows popping up and down out of the corner of my eye. this is just blatent disrespect for the speaker who just asked you to not do it. i know it seems petty, but when it goes on everyday, it just gets to be a little much. go out in the lounge if you are going to distract others.

whew. sorry guys. just had to blow off a little steam 😀
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then don't sit next to them???
i get on some random website during class every once in a while, but i always sit next to people who do it too so i don't piss anyone off. its too bad that the person you sit next to doesn't afford you that courtesy, but unless you have assigned seating, i don't get why you're upset.
 
Our main lecture hall has a computer at every seat. I sit in the very back, and it's amazing what you see on almost every screen. There are some that have enough willpower to not even log on, but not many. It cuts down on in-class talking because just about every person here is on MEEBO at all times. Of course, there is a din of key clicking at all times. My big problem lately is the "gunners" who ask questions that should really wait until the end of class, and "grade diggers" that will do anything just to get a point back on an exam. Of course, most of the grade diggers are people who are not in danger, and only want a point because they might not 4.0 the class. Our Pharmacology professor opened the floor to questions about Monday's exam (which was very nice of her in my opinion.) People started blasting her for fair questions that she did not even write. The poor woman was getting defensive and is now reluctant to help us before an exam as she did with this one. She helped so much and then after the exam people were extremely rude. It was only a select few, and most of us were giving them death stares. Most of our lectures are recorded, so there are certain class periods were attendance is lower than 70% but in general the students here are pretty good. There are just a select few that really get on one's nerves.
 
alonepear said:
Emio, I heard a rumor that by the end of the semester at Penn, most of the students are skipping class just to study all day. Just wondering if this is true? (A few Pennsylvania people who didn't get into Penn told me this, so I wanted to ask someone who actually goes there... =)
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I think Penn might have a few more skippers than other schools because we have a program called note service where the lectures are recorded and everyone who participates takes turn transcribing them and then you have a copy of everything the professor said, so sometimes class isn't completely necessary (not saying you shouldn't go). By the spring, certain people hardly ever came to class anymore except for labs and exams. To each his own. I wouldn't say that most students do, though. A lot of us bring work to do and/or laptops to class that way if you hit a boring hour you can sit in class and catch stuff while still being productive.
 
silverelf said:
then don't sit next to them???
i get on some random website during class every once in a while, but i always sit next to people who do it too so i don't piss anyone off. its too bad that the person you sit next to doesn't afford you that courtesy, but unless you have assigned seating, i don't get why you're upset.
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I don't get it either. Everyone here takes notes on their laptops/tablets, so the "sound of typing" could well be legitimate note-taking. A lot of us are pretty bad with checking email, being on AIM and random websites (when you're in lecture for four hours, it's hard to pay attention the whole time, plus there's always multitasking), but I don't see how that is really distracting to anyone else.
 
silverelf said:
then don't sit next to them???
i get on some random website during class every once in a while, but i always sit next to people who do it too so i don't piss anyone off. its too bad that the person you sit next to doesn't afford you that courtesy, but unless you have assigned seating, i don't get why you're upset.
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you mean switch seats and feel the wrath of others? 😉 all of the good seats are taken (with the only open ones being in the back corners). i have enough trouble seeing the board from the seat i was left with when i got to school at 7:30 on the 1st day. some people got to school at 6:00am the first day of school to "claim" their seats and if i (gasp) "stole" their seat, it would not be pleasant.

i suppose i am more upset about the blatent disrespect of authority, guest speakers (and not-to-mention our school handbook), but alas, I am talking about vet school, and we know that is basically equal to middle school as far as maturity goes.

and getting on a random website is one thing. it is completely another when you get to school at 8am, immediately sign on IM, have 5 windows open chatting to who knows who, until it is time for lunch and labs. i just don't see the point in spending all this money to chat with friends online. 😕
 
alonepear said:
Emio, I heard a rumor that by the end of the semester at Penn, most of the students are skipping class just to study all day. Just wondering if this is true? (A few Pennsylvania people who didn't get into Penn told me this, so I wanted to ask someone who actually goes there... =)
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Disclaimer: I do not promote nor condone skipping class! 😀

BUT...that's certainly what I do. Instead of sitting in lecture and then having to go home and study the same material again so I can actually learn it for an exam, I feel (for me) it's more efficient to not go to class and only have to study it once. This is especially true because I do much better studying on my own than trying to follow along in lecture. I don't really see a problem with it as long as I learn the material. It also gives me some extra "sanity" time. I wouldn't say most people do it, but I heard a lot more do it second year.

P.S. This means I can't be blamed for the noise in class! Although, honestly, I think it's a lot more disrespectful when we have a guest speaker who goes over by 10-15 minutes and everyone starts leaving. Which I noticed some of you complaining SDNers doing! 👎
 
i threw 2 students out of my lecture yesterday for ignoring my warning to quit talking while i was teaching.... they came up to me after class and complained to me that i shouldn't have embarrassed them like that and that it was unprofessional. I laughed at them, and instructed them to either not show up for my lectures if they want to talk, or treat me with the respect I deserve and shut their mouths.

I wont tolerate bull**** like that.
 
julieDVM said:
i threw 2 students out of my lecture yesterday for ignoring my warning to quit talking while i was teaching.... they came up to me after class and complained to me that i shouldn't have embarrassed them like that and that it was unprofessional. I laughed at them, and instructed them to either not show up for my lectures if they want to talk, or treat me with the respect I deserve and shut their mouths.

I wont tolerate bull**** like that.
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good for you! 🙂
 
Real Session......
wIth tUT....

Yeah man i hate that crap, really if i dont feel like hearin' someones B.S. then Im gonna same thing. It might be a bit agressive but sometimes you gotta do something about( make sure he/ she wont kick your a$$:meanie: )

Keep it Real,
Peace to The World......😎
 
Have enough trouble seeing the board from the seat i was left with when i got to school at 7:30 on the 1st day. some people got to school at 6:00am the first day of school to "claim" their seats and if i (gasp) "stole" their seat, it would not be pleasant.

Oh, worse here. We got a new classroom for second year. In the last weeks of summer, people came in and put post-it (yes, post-it notes) notes with ther names on the seats. Almost ALL the seats were "taken" by the first week *before* class started, let alone the first day of actual school. It was so incredibly childish.

So I, thinking such ideas were ridiculous got stuck in the back again.
 
All this has happened at our school and worse. The Friday before classes started first year, people were reserving seats and the administration had to put a deadline for the earliest you could do that in susequent years.
I've nicely asked 2 people to shut up during class and was rewarded with a door being pulled shut on me by one and the other brought the loudest food possible into class and shared with the class.
Throw in the 3 dui convictions and the 8 other drunk drivers that havn't been caught yet, plus the cheating, like the harboring of a stolen test that 5 students had that blew the curve (11 studetns got D's) and resulted in one student D-ing out, and the vet school classmates are probably the biggest disppointment of my life.
The administration doesn't have the guts to do anything; they've caught cheaters before and the one dude I know they caught keyed the professors car and another student caught him in the act and they still let him graduate. He's actually a practicing vet now! Its BS, but thats what happens when you base admissions 75-90% on grades and GRE scores instead of work history, letters of rec, and interview. Cheaters get good grades, duh....
 
cowperson said:
All this has happened at our school and worse. The Friday before classes started first year, people were reserving seats and the administration had to put a deadline for the earliest you could do that in susequent years.
I've nicely asked 2 people to shut up during class and was rewarded with a door being pulled shut on me by one and the other brought the loudest food possible into class and shared with the class.
Throw in the 3 dui convictions and the 8 other drunk drivers that havn't been caught yet, plus the cheating, like the harboring of a stolen test that 5 students had that blew the curve (11 studetns got D's) and resulted in one student D-ing out, and the vet school classmates are probably the biggest disppointment of my life.
The administration doesn't have the guts to do anything; they've caught cheaters before and the one dude I know they caught keyed the professors car and another student caught him in the act and they still let him graduate. He's actually a practicing vet now! Its BS, but thats what happens when you base admissions 75-90% on grades and GRE scores instead of work history, letters of rec, and interview. Cheaters get good grades, duh....
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what school do you go to?
 
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