Future DO students... are you going to try and get in shape for OMM lab?

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grinchick5 said:
Guess what? No one gives a damn how much weight you're carrying, be it too much OR to little. I don't even notice, and I'm pretty sure no one else in my class does either. The goal is to put your hands on as many body types as possible. In fact, the slightly chunky individuals are in high demand in our class. The majority of your future patients are going to be overweight, so you better start getting used to it. If you feel uncomfortable about your current size (or if it's unhealthy), by all means take some action...but don't do it because your afraid that your classmates will snicker at your love handles...they won't have time.
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r u kidding me?u should hear the stuff thier probably saying behind closed doors.
 
grinchick5 said:
Yeah, we act like mature adults. What a concept.
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u know, women snicker behind peoples backs well into thier 70's. Dont be so naive. You should hear the stuff that i heard while volunteering at UC Davis Med center from some of the the e.r docs and nurses about patients! now im not saying its okay, im just saying it happens.
 
UCDavisdude said:
u know, women snicker behind peoples backs well into thier 70's. Dont be so naive. You should hear the stuff that i heard while volunteering at UC Davis Med center from some of the the e.r docs and nurses about patients! now im not saying its okay, im just saying it happens.
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I'm not going to deny that some people do it, but I've never heard it. People surely don't sit around the lunch table laughing about one another's back hair, thunder thighs, stretch marks, or weird looking moles. I have also worked in medical settings and witnessed the way physicians talk about patients (it seems to be an effective coping mechanism for many). But your classmates aren't your patients, they're your colleagues. As such you tend to treat them with a certain level of respect and professionalism, at least this is the case in my class. That's the only point I was trying to make.
 
Women talk **** about each other like its a necessity of life.
 
Meatwad said:
Actually, I'd be somewhat be somewhat ashamed for the exact opposite reason of everyone else in this thread so far; scrawny. Like, real scrawny. 6'2" and about 160 pounds. Still, that's better than I was barely 150 last winter. On a more positive note, everyone will want to be my partner; very easy to see my muscles (or lack thereof?) and ribs, etc. :laugh: Should make it much easier to learn on me!
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Yup, I'm in the same boat. Last December though our company got a gym membership and they rotate all of the crews through everyday, which means I get to work out on a regular basis. Between that, and the protein shakes I started drinking I put on 15 lbs of muscle in the first three months!! My weight has remained fairly stable since then...mainly because I have no real way to lift on my days off. I'm actually really looking forward to having 7-day a week gym access again once I start school! The nice thing is that for the first time in my life, I'm not embarrased about my body! Recently, I've been trying to focus on my bi/triceps, chest/upper back and abs/lower back primarily. So hopefully it'll all be good! 😀

I also have some significant body modifications...but I'm not worried...actually I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing how everyone reacts the first time I take off my shirt in OMM class...😱

Nate.
 
Protein supplementation is the most overrated aspect of sports nutrition.
 
TexasTriathlete said:
Protein supplementation is the most overrated aspect of sports nutrition.
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So is 1g of protein per kg of bodyweight overkill? Most idiots do 1g per lb of body weight, but I'm pretty certain that is definitely overkill.
 
I remember reading this same thread last year. You'll get over all this crapola once you have to feel your partner's pubic symphysis for the first time. Get in shape, sure - but do it for your own health, not for OMM lab. You'll be spending too much time trying to remember Fryette's rules to care if someone's 10 pounds overweight.
 
Sarikate said:
You'll be spending too much time trying to remember Fryette's rules to care if someone's 10 pounds overweight.
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Not to hijack on this issue, but to they give other perspectives on coupled spinal motions in your program? We studied them extensively in PT school and accepted them as spinal dogma at the time. However, I've been reading some articles strongly questioning their validity/reliability.

It's an issue I'm a little concerned with: how much OMM still being taught is grounded in EBM vs tradition? I think I'll post that on the osteo forum though.
 
TexasTriathlete said:
A really funny story... this girl I used to date is a big runner. She has run many marathons, including Boston, and she will probably do a sub-3-hour marathon soon. She is also extremely hot, and feminine. But sometimes she will do something totally awesome...

About to run the Austin Marathon last year, she realizes that she has to drop a deuce. Her wave is about to start, and she has no time to find a port-a-potty, so she finds a bush instead...
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I've got you beat. My girlfriend's aunt was in the process of running one. She was doing really well. Really had to go, but wouldn't stop since she was doing so well. She sharted a little with every foot fall for the last section of the race. She was dribbling when she got to the end...:barf::barf::barf:

PS. I'll probably be a bit self-conscious too. I've got more than 10 hours worth of work all over my back and left arm...mostly covered by scrubs. If my prof has any problems with tats, I'm in for a hellacious semester.
 
Are you talking about number 1 or 2? Because for long-distance (half-ironman and longer) triathletes, it is a pretty big accomplishment to be able to pee on the bike. They brag about it.

I can't do it yet.
 
To elaborate, if you go to slowtwitch.com forums and go to the triathlon board, it isn't uncommon to see a post titled something like:

Buffalo Springs Race Report: I PEED ON THE BIKE!!!!!
 
Meatwad said:
So is 1g of protein per kg of bodyweight overkill? Most idiots do 1g per lb of body weight, but I'm pretty certain that is definitely overkill.
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If you are really trying to bulk up it's not. 1.5 -2 g/lb works wonders.
 
I didn't see that post...

1g ptn/kg body weight is probably about right. If you're a speed/power/strength athlete, you probably need a little more. If you're an endurance athlete or a severe burn victim, you probably need a lot more. Again, space it out throughout the day.

What is important is when you take it in. It should typically be spaced out throghout the day pretty evenly, but you want a lot of carbs, and a little protein (usually in a 4:1 ratio... Endurox-R4 is far and away the best recovery supplement on the market, and nothing else is even in the same league) immediately following a hard workout. These EAS supplements where you get like 50g of protein at once are just absurd.
 
Meatwad said:
By dieting do you mean going through the cutting phase of a bulk/cut?
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By dieting I meant cutting. My current diet is 2 g/lb and is working quite well.
When bulking I like to reduce the protein a bit and eat more carbs.
 
TexasTriathlete said:
I didn't see that post...

1g ptn/kg body weight is probably about right. If you're a speed/power/strength athlete, you probably need a little more. If you're an endurance athlete or a severe burn victim, you probably need a lot more. Again, space it out throughout the day.

What is important is when you take it in. It should typically be spaced out throghout the day pretty evenly, but you want a lot of carbs, and a little protein (usually in a 4:1 ratio... Endurox-R4 is far and away the best recovery supplement on the market, and nothing else is even in the same league) immediately following a hard workout. These EAS supplements where you get like 50g of protein at once are just absurd.
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yeah i edited. I see we all have time to waist this morning.
 
Hmm, I've never read anything that supports the consumption of 50g+ of protein in one sitting as being beneficial. I think there is a limit to how much the body can absorb and actually fully utilize.
 
Yes, all or most of your amino acid transporters are active transport, and they saturate quickly. Same with brush-border proteases. I think for most people, the number is more like 20g.
 
Bodybuilders and powerlifters do not have nearly the protein requirement of a long-distance endurance athlete.
 
Yeah, that's what I thought, Tex. I think these cut up bodybuilders think that they are getting ripped because of the protein they are eating, but I think it's more because they tend to eat less when their diet is heavy on the protein. Let's say you are cutting, and your goal is 2500 cals/day. It's much easier to not overeat and still feel full if you are downing two steaks and 3 chickens a day with massive sides of broccoli and some oatmeal as opposed to balancing your diet with more carbs. So it's more of the fact that protein satiates your appetite than the fact it is being utilized on the cellular level. Does that make sense to you?

I assume we will be reprimanded soon for turning this into the sports nutrition thread.
 
I'd like to see a urinalysis study on some of these supplement users. I tell my young athletes it often just gives them expensive pee. (i.e. body simply excretes what it doesn't need)

I just keep up with the ADA website. The RD's are as sharp as they come on nutritional issues. When they say frog, I jump. Not one minute sooner.

www.eatright.org
 
True. And if you don't drink enough water while taking in all that excess protein, so you can expel that expensive urine, you can hurt your kidneys, AFAIK.
 
TexasTriathlete said:
Yes, all or most of your amino acid transporters are active transport, and they saturate quickly. Same with brush-border proteases. I think for most people, the number is more like 20g.
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I have yet to see this claim substantiated and have heard people throw out numbers anywhere from 20-60g. Can you provide a source? I know some others who are interested in this topic. Another part about this claim that I do not understand is this- where do these unabsorbed amino acids go? You **** them out? My physiology class lagged in the digestion unit but I don't think that it works that way.

Meatwad- if you are eating 2500 cals/day (which would be dieting and oatmeal would be excluded in this case), low fat, low carbs, where do you think the bulk of those cals come from? Thats roughly 2000 cals at 4kcals per g/protein giving you roughly 500 g protein/ day when dieting. Break that up into 6-8 meals gives you 62.5 g protein per meal on average. This is used to maintain muscle and a source of energy while the rest comes from burning body fat as energy due to the calorie deficit and restriction of carbs.
 
When I got my kinesiology degree, one of my professors (and department chair) was John Ivy. He invented Endurox and Accelerade, and he probably knows more about nutrient transporters than everyone else in the world put together and multiplied by 1000. I will look for a source online later when I have some time.

When I worked with UT men's basketball strength and conditioning, we never gave the guys huge protein supplements, and we probably had the most jacked team in D1 (this was 2003, our final four year). Ivy had a lot to do with our nutrition program, and so did Ed Coyle, who is another exercisy physiologist in our department. He is also the SA Spurs nutrition guru, and he has done a lot of work with Lance Armstrong too.

I also heard it repeated several times when I went back for a biology degree. Two semesters of biochemistry, along with numerous upper-division biology and physiology courses. I've never read the research, at least that I can remember, but I've heard it over and over from some experts on the subject. Hell, Ivy is probably one of the guys who figured this out. If I can't find it online this afternoon, I will e-mail him later.
 
TechnoViking said:
I have yet to see this claim substantiated and have heard people throw out numbers anywhere from 20-60g. Can you provide a source? I know some others who are interested in this topic. Another part about this claim that I do not understand is this- where do these unabsorbed amino acids go? You **** them out? My physiology class lagged in the digestion unit but I don't think that it works that way.

Meatwad- if you are eating 2500 cals/day (which would be dieting and oatmeal would be excluded in this case), low fat, low carbs, where do you think the bulk of those cals come from? Thats roughly 2000 cals at 4kcals per g/protein giving you roughly 500 g protein/ day when dieting. Break that up into 6-8 meals gives you 62.5 g protein per meal on average. This is used to maintain muscle and a source of energy while the rest comes from burning body fat as energy due to the calorie deficit and restriction of carbs.
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Why wouldn't oatmeal be included in a cut diet? It's low-GI and proetty nutrititous. If you aren't eating oatmeal, than it sounds like you are avoiding all carbs. Are you on a keto diet or something? Or strictly eating broccoli for carbs?

Plus, I don't think it's hard to believe you might just urinate the excess protein out. If you eat way too much protein for extended periods of time, you can damage your kidneys. With damaged glomeruli, protein won't get filtered out of the blood and end up in your urine (proteinuria).

500g protein a day is way too much, in my opinion, based on what I've read. Sure, you'll have such an excess that your body will utilize all it can handle, but the rest is just going to be burned immediately for energy. You'd get a better boost eating something slow-burning, like oatmeal or brown rice. For me, personally, when I was eating a lot of protein, I had no energy. I was pretty defined, but workouts and all around quality of life due to lack of energy sufferred. I think having a good amount of protein is helpful in building muscle, because it's better to have a little more than you need than not enough. But I don't think once you go too far over that threshold for absorption that it's too beneficial. You'd be better served to eat some good carbs that will in effect help you workout harder, which will result in you getting more cut.
 
A lot of your amino acid transporters won't activate without insulin, and you need carbs to get a good insulin response. Eating nothing but protein will give you a crappy insulin response, and thus, crappy protein uptake.

There are two good books on the subject by Dr. Ivy: "The Performance Zone" and "Nutrient Timing"

You can get them both here for like a total of $15, including shipping, and they are easy to read. That is, you need only a very basic understanding of biology and physiology.


This is a good summary of some of the info in his books:
http://www.utexas.edu/features/archive/2004/nutrition.html
 
You ever read Body Opus by Dan Duchaine? That is some hardcore dieting, very good book.
 
TexasTriathlete said:
Seriously.

I've still got a little bit of love handle left from my knee injury in December. That pisses me off, because last season, I was like 7% body fat. Other than that, I am looking okay. Now that I am in my offseason, I am back to base-training, and I will be lifting weights again. Then I want to do 5-6 more races before school starts.

The thought of going shirtless into OMM lab, particularly as a kinesiology-degree-holder, a flabby mess, does not sit well with me. It also does not set a very good example. So I will be working hard to make myself totally buff for med school.

I know it sounds silly, but I know that it is at least in the back of your minds.
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I'm not sure why everyone is so obsessed with this shirts off thing in OMM. For us at our school it was like just for the first day and that was it.

Don't you people ever go swimming? Do you not take your shirt off then?
 
RockfordWF said:
I'm not sure why everyone is so obsessed with this shirts off thing in OMM. For us at our school it was like just for the first day and that was it.

Don't you people ever go swimming? Do you not take your shirt off then?
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A lot of people don't. Don't you remember those fat kids at the pool back in the day that wore their t-shirts?
 
Meatwad said:
A lot of people don't. Don't you remember those fat kids at the pool back in the day that wore their t-shirts?
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Yeah. I was one of them. I lost 50 lbs between my senior year of college and my second year of medical school.

If you can't show off your fat belly without being embarrassed, how can you look at a fat lady's vagina?
 
RockfordWF said:
If you can't show off your fat belly without being embarrassed, how can you look at a fat lady's vagina?
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Alcohol always did the trick for me. You know the old saying... I've never gone to bed with a fat chick, but I've woken up next to them.
 
Reminds me of something my dad used to say - dyspareunia is better than no pareunia.

...sorry what were we talking about?
 
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