Getting canned in your last year

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Transferred out of my sucky previous program just to come into a horribly malignant program in which basically everyone hated my guts.

Planning to go on military active duty for a few years. My questions on this forum are...
1. How much does my horrible recommendation from this year, just one, matter 3-4 years from now? Especially if I am planning on changing specialty?
2. Is it worth a while to stick it through the rest of year, especially when I am sure I will continue to get horrible evaluations? i.e. "medical knowledge is at MS-3 level"


Any thoughts on this will be appreciated.
 
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PGY-4 in General Surgery. Transferred out of my sucky previous program just to come into a horribly malignant program in which basically everyone hated my guts.

Planning to go on military active duty for a few years. My questions on this forum are...
1. How much does my horrible recommendation from this year, just one, matter 3-4 years from now? Especially if I am planning on changing specialty?
2. Is it worth a while to stick it through the rest of year, especially when I am sure I will continue to get horrible evaluations? i.e. "medical knowledge is at MS-3 level"


Any thoughts on this will be appreciated.

I'm very sorry this happened to you. I believe that no matter how much time has passed or which specialty you pursue, the ACGME will require that the PD provide a letter documenting your competence for your level/specialty. I think your best course of action would be to stay in and do whatever you can to salvage a reasonably good exit letter. Maybe talk to the PD to get a feel for how to make that happen.
 
PGY-4 in General Surgery. Transferred out of my sucky previous program just to come into a horribly malignant program in which basically everyone hated my guts.

Planning to go on military active duty for a few years. My questions on this forum are...
1. How much does my horrible recommendation from this year, just one, matter 3-4 years from now? Especially if I am planning on changing specialty?
2. Is it worth a while to stick it through the rest of year, especially when I am sure I will continue to get horrible evaluations? i.e. "medical knowledge is at MS-3 level"


Any thoughts on this will be appreciated.

Leaving anything unfinished is a red flag for future training positions and to future employers - people who have cut and run once are thought likely to do it again. You've already got one more transfer than most people, and if you then leave part way through a year, with poor evaluations, it will cut off a lot of options for you. If you want to be BE/BC (by far the best long-term outcome for you) your best option is probably to stay where you are if you possibly can. Unless your old program would take you back?

If you do have the possibility of sticking it out where you are, you need to start being proactive about your problems, now. First, can you find someone attached to the program who is in good standing who would be prepared to act as a mentor for you? Chief resident? Attending? Resident adviser? Someone liked you enough to take you on in the first place, who are they and are they prepared to help you out now? You need someone who can help you put together a series of actions which will get you into the program's good books again.

Secondly, make a list of all the issues everyone has had with you. Against each of the issues, list all the things you can do to make that person think that you have dealt with/are dealing with the problem. At this stage, your personal view of whether they are right or wrong is irrelevant. If you want to stay in the program, you have to accept that you have no position of strength from which to argue the point, and that if you contest it you will lose.

Thirdly, when you have a solution to one of those problems, talk to the person who brought it to your attention, tell them what you are proposing to do about it, and ask for their advice on whether this is a good solution or whether they have something else to suggest. Very few of those people will hold a grudge against you if you do this.

If your problems have come to the attention of the program director, it is probably a good idea to let him know asap that you are committed to his wonderful program and will be addressing all of the issues raised.

Finally, remember that training is temporary and an attending career is permanent. You've worked your way through a lot to get where you are, and half way through PGY4 you are on the home stretch. Grit your teeth and do what you have to in order to get to the finish line.
 
I've seen General Surgeons practicing Pain and Family Medicine physicians practicing Dermatology. At the end of the day, becoming an attending of any sort matters more than how good/bad your residency was, how crap the hospital/city you did it in was, how terrible/unhappy your lifestyle was, or even how much you actually learned. Is there no way you can beg/plead to stay in and finish your Surgery residency?
 
Thanks everyone. Situation now is that I will definitely will not be allowed to come back for my 5th year. So as far as surgery goes, I'm done.

Details of attack toward me are hard to discuss. I just don't see how I can survive here. Just have a gut feeling that they will one day just tell me not to come back. I understand that not finishing the year is not great, but I don't know if additional 4 months of horrible eval will help either.
 
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You should try to stay and finish the year, if you can.
It doesn't sound like you will be able to become a surgeon now, if you've been in 2 surgery programs already.
You would probably have a shot at switching to a less competitive specialty, like fp or internal medicine. Actually people who are good at procedures like central lines, sewing up cuts, etc. can be very helpful in those types of residencies. But you would have to learn a lot of new things and there is even more paperwork involved (more note writing, etc.). However, my experience is the personalities involved (especially attendings) tend to be in general a little easier to get along with. Also it is relatively easier to find a benign program that has better hours and probably quite a bit less stress than a surgical program.
Maybe you should think about one of those specialties, or something like PM and R, or neurology, etc. Think about what else you like to do besides operate, or could learn to like doing. It's hard now b/c you are ticked off but I know someone who did surgery x 3 years and then switched to anesthesia and now doing fine.
Also, do you have a medical license? If you can pass the Step 3 and get a full license that would make it possible to possibly moonlight, at least, while you decide what else to do.
 
I know someone-- well, of someone-- who was fired in the middle of his chief year in surgery. He landed on his feet in an anesthesia spot. For you, you'd finish in exactly the same amount of time as you would have finished fellowship. Often times anesthesia programs informally hold open spots for surgery dropouts-- you could start this summer.

Of course, this assumes you didn't do something felonious, egregiously unethical, not show up to work for a month straight, or something else extreme.

Give it a thought.
 
That's the part that kills me. I made some mistakes with progress notes, and did have difficulty summarizing patients, mostly because I just didn't get in the loop with the rest of the team and nursing staff. I didn't make any mistakes on patients, nothing ever happened, I was never late or didn't show up at work.

I won't be able to start at this summer. Since I am switching specialty my role is pretty set in stone, I have to leave training for a few years to serve in the military. Leaving training and coming back is always harder but then again that is just the story of my life.

I would love to get into anesthesia. I can still get into same area that I am interested - critical care. Just not sure how it will pan out because anesthesia is pretty competitive as I understand. As they say, when one door closes there is always another one opens, but the hallway is a burning hell...
 
Anesthesia is competitive but they would, in general, be very receptive to someone who has completed 4 yrs of surgery in an accredited program. Even if you have to do a GMO tour first.
 
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