getting rid of the 'scramble'

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Hello!

Frist time poster here, just had a question:

I read on the NRMP website that in 2012 (under NRMP 'News'), they will be scrapping the scramble for Supplemental Offer and Acceptance Program (SOAP), which is a second match from what I understand. I was wondering what effect this could have on IMGs (as so many find spots through the scramble), and what it could mean for the senior med students in general?

For all of those matching in 2011, good luck!
 
Apply to more programs. get a match. Dont scramble
 
SOAP is just a renaming of the Scramble.
(Just kidding, I'm wrong. But it is still a scramble system of sorts...see below...thanks aPD)
 
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SOAP is just a renaming of the Scramble.
Not at all. SOAP is a complete rewrite of the scramble. No longer will it matter whether you get through the phone first. Programs must wait 48 hours before any offers go out, so programs will have time to review applications and interview applicants (on the phone). Calling programs to enquire about spots, or faxing applications will no longer be allowed. All applications must go through ERAS. Starting after 48 hours there are multiple rounds of offers and acceptances. All of this is managed by NRMP. Once you accept a position, it's binding and you no longer can get new offers. All SOAP offers are match-binding -- i.e. you need a waiver if you "change your mind" identical to matching in the main match.

It's a much, much better system. Not as good as a second match, but close.

There really are two problems (from the applicant end) with SOAP. Both arise from the fact that SOAP is a one-sided match. Only programs submit rank lists. Applicants do not submit a list at all, instead offers are generated from the program rank lists. Here's

1. You are in SOAP, apply to many programs. In the first round of offers, you get an offer from a program that is in the middle of your wish list. You have two choices -- take the spot and you're done. Or you can pass on the spot and hope for a better offer in a later round. However, you can't go back -- you can't get your first offer back if you decide to pass and hope for something better. So, I doubt anyone will be brave enough to pass up the first offer that comes. To be fair, this really isn't any different from the scramble as it exists now -- people tend to take the first offer on the table.

2. Competitive candidates will get multiple first round offers. Once they choose one, those spots will be offered to later candidates. That means that many candidates will need to wait for multiple rounds to get an offer. It can be very painful waiting, and waiting, and waiting for an offer. But, compared to the current system, at least you would know exactly when offers will be coming, so you don't need to sit by a phone and just stare.

So, all around, a marked improvement.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't SOAP make matching much more difficult for applicants?

Residency programs will start to rank fewer but higher quality applicants for the match. Many more students will unmatched and it will increase the number of students who go through SOAP.

If the programs have more advantage in SOAP, what's stopping them from doing that? Heck, if it got so bad, everyone might be going through SOAP.

I'm sure residency programs would love that.
:scared::scared:
 
Whether we like it or not, we already have a second match system... the scramble.. and it's disorganized as hell. Believe me, not having SOAP will not deter programs from not ranking candidates they dont want (sorry about the insane number of negatives in that sentence). SOAP is better, healthier for your sanity on scramble dates.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't SOAP make matching much more difficult for applicants?

Residency programs will start to rank fewer but higher quality applicants for the match. Many more students will unmatched and it will increase the number of students who go through SOAP.

If the programs have more advantage in SOAP, what's stopping them from doing that? Heck, if it got so bad, everyone might be going through SOAP.

I'm sure residency programs would love that.
:scared::scared:


The only way this would occur is if ALL the programs in a given field colluded with each other to set the number of spots on their rank lists evenly. There's probably some element of game theory going on here. If every program but one only ranks 5 applicants (and for simplicity sake say that they all rank the same top 5 candidates in some variation), then the one program that ranks candidates 6-10 on their list is at an automatic advantage for getting the next set of most talented residents. The idea continues to work if they all rank 5 spots but no body ranks applicant #11 (so all rank lists are permutations of applicants 1-10). The program that ranks 6 spots and includes applicant 11 has the best chance of getting that person. And if they have the advantage, leaving everyone else to continue to the battle for #12 via SOAP, then other programs will begin expanding their rank lists.

Also, even though this is a one-sided "match" the fact that in the first round the best applicants are going to get multiple offers, the programs can't bank on the next best applicant choosing them. Further, and I'm sure aProgDirector can attest, the scramble/SOAP situation is far from ideal on the program's part as well, even with SOAP's general improvement on the process. I'm sure they'd MUCH rather fill through the Match and not have to worry about it.


Believe me, not having SOAP will not deter programs from not ranking candidates they dont want

this makes my head hurt. Are you trying to say the following?
the absence of SOAP will not change programs attitudes. They will continue to leave candidates off their rank lists that they don't wish to employ
 
The concern that SOAP will affect the match was not lost on the NRMP. basically, the NRMP wants to fill most of the slots via the main match. The scramble is so horrible for everyone that it entices programs to interview and rank enough people to avoid it. If SOAP becomes much more managable / pleasant, programs won't be as scared of it and hence MIGHT decide to rank less people.

For example, let's say I have 10 spots to fill in my program. And let's say I'm not the most competitive program in the universe. So, I tend to get 7 people I'm really happy with, and 3 whom I'll take but wish I could get "better". With SOAP, I might be willing to shorten my rank list to only those that I'm really happy with. I know that this would likely lead to me having open spots in SOAP. However, I might get better people in SOAP than in the match -- some candidates applying to competitive residencies fail to match, and they may be "better" than those applying in the match.

Big Red has pointed out an issue with SOAP that hasn't been discussed much. SOAP is a "degenerate match" because it's one sided. Only programs submit Rank Lists (now called Preference Lists). Candidates do not submit lists, but instead get offers. If a candidate gets offers during a round, they can accept one, or let them all go and hope for something better. But there's no going back -- once you decline an offer, you can't get back into that program. Therefore, I predict that no candidate is going to decline all offers in a round.

This changes program ranking strategy. IN the main match, I rank people in the order I want them. I cannot hurt myself by ranking someone highly that I think is unlikely to come to my program. If they don't, I just get the next person on my list. I can't "lose" someone by not ranking them high enough, unless people above them match to me (which is a good thing).

In SOAP, this is not true at all. Let's say I have one spot in SOAP. I interview 10 people. One is a superstar, I think he/she is going to get lots of offers. If I put them first on my preference list, they will get an offer from me and probably (due to their "superstar-ness") multiple other offers. They choose one offer, not me. In the second round, I go down my list -- but, if my #2, #3, etc have already taken other offers (because some other program ranked them higher) then they are gone to me -- they can't trade one offer for another. Once they take an offer, they are out of SOAP. So my next offer goes to the next person on my list who is still available.

This makes preference list management vital in SOAP for programs. I might be better off ranking somewhat weaker candidates higher on my list, because I expect that I would be their "best" offer and they would take it. Another way to look at it is this: In the main match, there is no reason for me to worry where I will be on each individual's rank list. Although I'd love to be ranked highly by all, if not I just get the next person on my list. In SOAP, it's critical for me to know how interested an applicant is. Match rules state I'm not allowed to ask. It will be very, very hard to resist. I don't want to "waste" my high ranks on people who are unlikely to come. Candidates won't want to tell me that they aren't as interested, as they'll want as many early offers as possible.

It will be much better than the scramble in many ways. In others, the NRMP is asking for trouble.
 
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