Key word above for rad onc is "somewhere"
In rad onc we are mostly in “a job” or “any job” territory. Like a real estate agent in Las Vegas circa 2009.
Urology and ent are writing their ticket in many places. Rads market has improved significantly in the last several years
I have seen some of the early offers new grads have dug out of the barrel this year, and a couple of them had starting salaries ~$270k.
We must keep in mind that over the last ten years programs have been producing more and more grads who hypofractionate more and more; this is supported by hard data that the average fractions per patient have declined about 30% the last ten years. That first sentence can be translated to read “we have been producing grads who collect less and less money.” Economically, we really couldn’t have expected rising salaries. It’s fortuitous they’ve been stable. The cost of radiation has been declining faster than COLA could have been rising. Once the race to the (fractionation) bottom is over salaries can/might rise again. The race is not over.
Just sad. I started to see this sort of BS around the time I was finishing residency. I don't believe these jobs existed to any meaningful degree in the 2000s. Just for context, programs that I was familiar with in the 2000s hired their own residents for a year or two as real faculty even when they knew that they might be moving on (waiting for job where family was or waiting out spouses training).
Ah, this is simultaneously unfortunate to hear but also completely unsurprising and expected.
Every dosimetrist I know and many RTTs make more than 125k. I know one RTT in a HCOL area who makes twice that.
yeah but not with their geographic flexibility which is even worse
Financially, it would destroy anyone with loans. Ist job at 40? Sounds like Dennis and Ralphs wet dream?
It's a cluster. With few exceptions, fellowships and instructorships should not exist and they definitely should not be advertised. At worst, they should be discrete and tied to a promise of an ensuing real job. In the past, some nice programs would set up their grads for a fellow-ship (or similar away time during residency) before hiring them the ensuing year.
This should be emblazoned on every resident room wall. I shout this at residents who still wear their 'academic prestige' goggles. Hope saying you work for X university instead of 'less prestigious' Y university is worth delaying financial freedom, academic independence, etc etc.
Preach.
I would view perceived "prestige" coupled with location as being inversely correlated to academic job quality these days. How do you think Stanford, MGH etc are getting away with these lowball low quality entry level positions
I would hope as this field settles into the gutter, that will quell status anxiety, and the exploitation of Instructorships is laid bare. Feeling proud as a Stanford RO instructor is like boasting that you went to Ross Medical School, the Harvard of the Carribean.
Microsoft (and companies of similar ilk) are offering $200k+ salaries to 22 year-old Computer Science kids coming out of undergrad. I also know several senior administrative assistants making north of $100k (one makes close to $150k). Just some information that's good to have.
Great job if they let you remote work. Not so great if you're forced to live near Seattle, Kirkland, Redmond etc
thats just their starting salary. Their pay generally increases to 400k-500k within 3-5 years in their late 20's, mostly thanks to stock market.
Yes stock options can be very lucrative. Tech has been powering the market for years now
I have never agreed that the job market was amazing. To me this was a fantasy narrative. Eventually you come down to reality. The economics of the field remain the same: boomers and late gen Xers sitting at the top along with legacy well connected young grads, people being taken for a ride, the oversupply of applicants compared to “good” jobs. Let me guess the genX and boomers sitting at the top say “i don’t need help” as they count another double digit million in their NW.
Wasn’t implying that the job marking was good or amazing. My question was more along the lines of understanding the rationale behind spending thousands to fly candidates and their families out to spend multiple days in an area only to ghost them after. And to have been given a warm reception and been told they’d be a great fit during most/all interactions. Is this common in radiation oncology or maybe it’s a me problem?
There's a few things at play with this (and no, it's not you).
No, it’s common. Lots of things hospital admin do don’t make any economic sense. See the thread about the Cheyenne job. I think it simply boils down to the underlying disdain these people have for MDs and especially those who think they can run their own practice if they choose. Most of these admins could have never gotten into med school and carry huge chips on their shoulder.
Unless you have like urologist level serious halitosis/BO, no it is not you brotha. It is rad onc
A temporary post covid improvement thanks to the "boomer remover" virus was never going to be a panacea for very long.
You’ve done a great job of articulating my suspicions. This is somewhat reassuring, thank you.
Usually you will get a contract before you leave if they’re not screwing around.
What constitutes “screwing around?” Interviewing other candidates? Not sure that they’re actually going to fill the position one is being interviewed for? Something else?
