Going away for rotations

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I'm interested in knowing how many med schools require students to go away for 3rd year rotations. At my school, there are not enough spots in the city for all students, and 10-60% have to go elsewhere, depending on the rotation. Most of the "away" hospitals are about 2 hours away, but some are a 6 hour drive. I've resigned myself to the fact that I'll be living in a hospital for part of next year, but I'm interested in knowing how unique my school is in this.
 
My school does this. There are two hospitals outside of the city, both of which have dorms for students.

Most people who end up at these places seem pleased. The rotations tend to be quite good. And, realistically the people who go there only go for one rotation, so it works out fine.
 
My school does this too, for a required third year family rotation. You have to submit a letter detailing reasons why you can't leave the city, and if those reasons are deemed good enough, you get to stay. They have sent people all over the state, in very rural locations and DO NOT guarentee any payment for housing or anything. Married students with small children have forcebly been separated from their families for two months under this system. (often an appeal to the administration after the assingment has been made is fruitless- the FP department here is one of the most poorly organized and has some of the nastiest administrators you could imagine)

Some students request to be assigned to their hometowns, however and enjoy being near family for those couple months.

Student do have the option to do most of the rotations in both 3rd and 4th year in other dities in the state, and a number do that. This is entirely optional (except for some of the family assignments)
 
I'm curious, I've never heard of this. What schools do you guys go to? What other schools require this?
 
Most schools seem to send students all over the state, at least here in the South.

My school has two clinical sites in two different cities. Half of each class stays in the city where they did their first 2 years, while the other half go to the branch campus. Usually there are enough volunteers going to the branch campus that a "lottery" isn't necessary. If we elect to go to the branch campus, we spend our entire 2 years there.

Students can do their clerkships at the opposite campus on a select basis (e.g., if you're at the branch campus, and want to do surgery at the main campus, you can do that).
 
I'm graduating from Temple, and we have this type of system... it really isn't as bad as it seems though. Most people end up with 1 rotation (maybe 2) at a "far away" site during 3rd year. I did surgery (3 months) at a hospital about an hour outside of Philly, and it really wasn't bad. Actually, most people have really great experiences at the "other" hospitals.

Also, we have a site in Pittsburgh, which is new. Its supposed to be a "clinical campus" in the coming years. But, since its a relatively new addition to the school, the current students weren't accepted under the premise of doing all of their 3rd and 4th years there.

Personally, I think there are definate pro's to doing these "away" rotations. In North Philly we see a very specific patient population - inner city, uninsured. By going to the other hospitals, you generally get a more suburban experience.
 
thanks for the responses - scrubbs, I'm at temple, too! It's good to hear that the away hospitals are a good experience, and it will be nice to get out of north philly for a while. I'm just hoping I won't have to go to Pittsburgh (sorry all you Pittsburghers out there).
 
I didn't realize many schools required this sort of a commute...I guess I should consider myself lucky!

To be honest, try to think of it in a positive light, even though the commute is a giant pain in the ass.
 
kcrd -

I kind of figured you were at Temple... when do you guys find out where you "matched" for your 3rd yr rotations? If you have any questions about specific hospitals, PM me. In all seriousness though, it may be a bit of a pain to live away from your apt for a few months, but the hospitals out of Philly tend to be a nice change! 😎
 
I want to know if you are required to share rooms with other people during these away rotations. I don't like to share. Also, how much is housing if you have to pick up the tab for a month? Any help is cool.
 
Of the people I know who went away for rotations (to other hospitals in the school's system, not to other schools), no one had to share a room. The housing at the away hospitals was free for the duration of the rotation.
 
Originally posted by goooooober
I want to know if you are required to share rooms with other people during these away rotations. I don't like to share. Also, how much is housing if you have to pick up the tab for a month? Any help is cool.

As for roomies, I would think that it would depend on the hospital. During my away rotation I shared a room with one of my classmates for 6 wks. Most of the students had roomies. However, that was just one site... others in Temple's system don't have roommates.

I've never heard of anyone paying for housing during a required rotation away. Its always supplied by the hospital. However, if you do away electives during your 4th year, you will usually have to arrange your own housing. Some hospitals, in less desirable areas, will supply housing to try to get you there and recruit you, but most don't. Cost depends on geography and whether you can sublet or need to go through the hospital.
 
Beware when scheduling 3rd yr rotations at a branch campus/outside location. Ask people who have been there about work hours, learning experience, and especially grades.

At my school, 3rd yrs can be based at branch campuses, which are generally easier in work load and grading. Usually these are people going into noncompetitive areas such as family practice because there are no big names to write letters at those locations. Students from the main campus can elect to do a rotation at a branch campus, which happens occasionally. The school gets funding for the other campuses and must fill rotation spots to get full $$$, so students are required to enter a "lottery" to decide who is forced to do an away rotation.

My school has 2 branch campuses; one to the north, the other west. In most rotations, the west branch gives A's to most people, with prefs toward their own students.

The one to the north wories about grade inflation so, in general, their students get A's and visiting students from the main campus get B's to balance things out.

I got stuck with a peds rotation at the north campus, which was unfortunate because I was interested in peds at the time. They worked me much harder than the main campus works their students. I took 2 months of q4 call where the main campus took 1 month (no call on outpatient). Work hours were much heavier at the branch campus. For example, main students rotated through neonatal and worked from 6:00 am until rounds were done (about noon) and had no call, so they had plenty of time to read, where I had to hit neonatal at 5:00 am, make morning report by 8:00 and work clinic until 5:00 or 6:00 pm. I averaged 100 - 110 hrs/wk where main students average 60 - 70.

Because I was interested in peds, I worked hard and did all the "right" things, including bringing articles, volunteering to give talks, and knowing everything about my patients. My ER attending told me that I was "the best medical student that I've ever had". A friend that rotated there after me told me that I "must've really kicked ass up there" because the residents held me up as a model medical student.

Unfortunately, only the inpatient attendings evaluate you (4 people total, I think) so the residents and ER docs, who I spent most of my time working with, had no input. I ended up with a low B (much lower than my baseline), which I just discovered is in the bottom 10% for my class and am a bit bitter if you can't tell :laugh:

Peds was my second rotation and first "medicine" type rotation. I didn't understand the detail that was expected in the assessment and plan section of notes, as the only rotation I had completed was OB/GYN where notes were expected to be short and sweet. Of course, main campus students had an orientation that covered those details and included a packet of "ideal" samples where we were thrown into the fire. A/Ps on my notes were scant (OB/GYN style) for the first week (of 8) until my intern called me on it and I fixed the problem. The only negative comment that I received was from one attending who wrote "student got off to a slow start assessing data obtained and applying that data to develop a treatment plan", which had to be related to my first weeks notes because my notes were very good after that. My other comments were all good.

Be careful when going to branch campuses and research them thoroughly to avoid having an experience like mine. +pissed+

Well, thats my b!tch session for the day... I feel better now :laugh:
 
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