Good 4 year OMFS residency programs

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For me, "good" means that it prepares residents well for private practice (without spending too much time doing the way crazy stuff that is only done in academics). Basically, I want to know which 4 year programs have a strong mix of dentoalveolar, implants, orthognathic, TMJ, and just enough trauma as well. What programs come to mind with these attributes?
 
Are you applying next year or did you already apply?
 
I will be applying next year.
 
Hey Squished Rat,
Just curious, but why do you ask?
 
I'm not sure about OMS, but my friend really wants me to do it. I'd probably do a 4 year as well because I really like wizzy's and implants but don't care about much oncology. It's not for me. Any residents out there in 4 year programs that are happy with their program. Where you at?
 
Does anyone know anything about Montefiore's OMFS program?
 
4 year programs that I have heard good things about, in no order

Christiana Care
UT-Memphis
UT- Knoxville
Minnesota
Iowa
Washington
Med Col. of Wisconsin
Highland/UOP
Oklahoma
Carle Clinic

...just what comes to mind, Im sure there are many more.
 
Oklahoma has a great four year program but it may be more broad scope than you want. UT galveston also has a good bread and butter, teeth and titanium program. I would just start surfing all the websites for each program and find some that you like. You can go to the aaoms.org website and find links to all the programs. Just find some that fit your style and go extern there for a week or two.
 
ihateteeth said:
4 year programs that I have heard good things about, in no order

Christiana Care
UT-Memphis
UT- Knoxville
Minnesota
Iowa
Washington
Med Col. of Wisconsin
Highland/UOP
Oklahoma
Carle Clinic

...just what comes to mind, Im sure there are many more.
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I would add MCV, Vanderbilt, and UNC to that list. Both Vandy and UNC have both 4 and 6 yr spots.
 
What about Loma Linda and USC? Should they be on the lists as well?
 
odontoma said:
What about Loma Linda and USC? Should they be on the lists as well?
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Based on your originally stated criteria, those don't sound like places you'd be happy at. LL does lots of crazy surgery and SC is trauma central.
 
So is it fair to assume that the residents at a program that does a lot of trauma (like USC, for example) probably put in significantly more hours/take call more often, etc.?
 
omfsquirrel said:
Oklahoma has a great four year program but it may be more broad scope than you want.
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This is true. Craniofacial surgery is a strong aspect of Oklahoma's program as both Smith and Sullivan have both done the craniofacial surgery fellowship at Royal children's in Melbourne. 👍

I've heard you'll also get plenty of craniofacial exposure at LLU, UAB, UCSF, LSU, and Parkland.
 
Any others?
 
Has anyone else heard that within a given program, the 4 year residents aren't treated the same as the 6 year dual degree residents? I've heard that there are certain programs where the 4 year residents are resentful.😕
 
HealwithSteel said:
Has anyone else heard that within a given program, the 4 year residents aren't treated the same as the 6 year dual degree residents? I've heard that there are certain programs where the 4 year residents are resentful.😕
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I've never heard of this happening anywhere before.
 
HealwithSteel said:
Has anyone else heard that within a given program, the 4 year residents aren't treated the same as the 6 year dual degree residents? I've heard that there are certain programs where the 4 year residents are resentful.😕
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I have heard of programs where they are treated different off-service. However, I haven't heard that the 4 yr guys are resentful about it.
 
University of Illinois at Chicago? Any feedback on this program?
 
Anyone at Minnesota? What do you think of the program?
 
Any other thoughts about the original post?
 
Washington DC...probably the best 4 year oms program that I saw on the trail
 
HealwithSteel said:
Has anyone else heard that within a given program, the 4 year residents aren't treated the same as the 6 year dual degree residents? I've heard that there are certain programs where the 4 year residents are resentful.😕
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I don't think at a 4/6 year combined program you will have resentment among the OMFS residents as a whole, but what you will have is ignorant and clueless "eveyone else" in the hospital. To them the 6 year guys will be oral surgeons who get to work in a hospital and the 4 year guys will be just dentists. I don't think they mean to be condiscending in that regard by any means, its that they just don't know anthing about how our program works. If this doesnt bother you then go for one, emory has a great 4 and 6 year program that i know about. I also thought iowa, minnesota twin cities, washington-seattle, Ohio state(although they've had some interesting changes),UF jacksonville (it was 4 back then), Carle clinic(per bifiduvula and word of mouth), and knoxville are good 4's. I don't know much about the east coast schools, i avoided them completely(mostly cause they tend to avoid midwesterners completely).
 
north2southOMFS said:
To them the 6 year guys will be oral surgeons who get to work in a hospital and the 4 year guys will be just dentists.
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Just curious.. But does anyone in the US use the term "Maxfacs", or simply "Maxillofacial surgeon"?

I don't want to get into a 2 tier/dual vs. single degree discussion. I'm in full support of single qualified OMS.

However, the OMS trainees in Australia and New Zealand (whether or not they have completed their med degree yet) tend to introduce themselves to patients and/or other doctors as "Maxillofacial surgeons" (because the "O" in OMFS is implied in this case)..... or "I'm a Maxfac surgeon", or "Hi, I'm one of the face doctors", etc, etc.

I don't see how this is any different to ENT guys calling themselves "head and neck surgeons" (the E, N, and Ts are implied in the H/N title).

Even though we are and always will be "O"ms, sometimes I find this helps to reduce confusion, and also I find you have less people questioning you when you are explaining more expanded scope procedures that you will be performing.

Thoughts?
 
psiyung said:
Washington DC...probably the best 4 year oms program that I saw on the trail
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Is Posnick involved in teaching at this program at all?
 
Hi everyone!
i'm a europe trained DMD.
do you need an MD to apply for an OMFS residency program in the US (4 years)?

in europe u need an MD to be a maxillofacial surgeon. to be an oral and maxillofacial sureon you have to make other 3 years dentistry.
with a DMD you can be only a dentoalveolar (oral) surgeon.

vienna
 
ViennnaDens said:
Hi everyone!
i'm a europe trained DMD.
do you need an MD to apply for an OMFS residency program in the US (4 years)?

in europe u need an MD to be a maxillofacial surgeon. to be an oral and maxillofacial sureon you have to make other 3 years dentistry.
with a DMD you can be only a dentoalveolar (oral) surgeon.

vienna
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It's all the same specialty here. The MD is optional. When you DO get an MD, it's 2 more years integrated into the OMFS program. So residency is 6 instead of 4 years.
 
ViennnaDens said:
Hi everyone!
i'm a europe trained DMD.
do you need an MD to apply for an OMFS residency program in the US (4 years)?

in europe u need an MD to be a maxillofacial surgeon. to be an oral and maxillofacial sureon you have to make other 3 years dentistry.
with a DMD you can be only a dentoalveolar (oral) surgeon.

vienna
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Vienna,

there are still some countries in Europe that allow you to become a "real" OMS, ie not just a dentoalveolar surgoen, without an MD. Most won't give you any cancer experience though, but many do craniofacial stuff and other "big" surgeries.

Danmark, Sweden and most places in Finland and Norway still don't require an MD. You might think about contacting some programs in these countries.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I also think South Africa doesn't require an MD. Then of course many asian countries, with excellent OMS programs (Japan, Hong Kong and I think South Korea), have single degree OMSs. I personally know a resident who interned for two years in Hong Kong and says it was a great experience.

However, if you want to practice as a OMS in your home country, and the MD is required for that, I'd recommend you get it.
 
EuroOMFS said:
Vienna,

there are still some countries in Europe that allow you to become a "real" OMS, ie not just a dentoalveolar surgoen, without an MD. Most won't give you any cancer experience though, but many do craniofacial stuff and other "big" surgeries.

Danmark, Sweden and most places in Finland and Norway still don't require an MD. You might think about contacting some programs in these countries.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I also think South Africa doesn't require an MD. Then of course many asian countries, with excellent OMS programs (Japan, Hong Kong and I think South Korea), have single degree OMSs. I personally know a resident who interned for two years in Hong Kong and says it was a great experience.

However, if you want to practice as a OMS in your home country, and the MD is required for that, I'd recommend you get it.
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I would agree with everything you've stated here. Thanks for the post Euro!
 
EuroOMFS, toofache32 thanks a lot!

and that's the point. if i finish a program in north Europe (seweden etc.) or in the US (4 years) i have to stay there, or can only practice in a country, where the diplom is equivalent...otherwise, like u wrote: 6 more years to study for the MD.
 
I am looking for feedback on a particular doctor or perhaps even suggestions on my situation. I underwent orthognatic surgery almost two and a half years ago (lower mandible advanced 6-7mm). Because of complications with the screws and metal plates the surgeon decided to remove them. When all the swelling went down, I was left with two dents along my jaw line on either side where the bone was cut and moved. My surgeon agreed to fix these dents with implants, but since this type of procedure is not one he has done often, he made the implants too big and one of the wounds wouldn't even close so I got an infection and he had to remove them. I am now looking for an OMS who is well trained in this type of procedure and someone mentioned the Jacksonville facilities in Florida. I have made an appointment with Dr. Fattahi for a consultation. Can anyone give me feedback on him or perhaps any suggestions on better options? I appreciate this greatly.
 
PLease guide me any one!!! I am a dental graduate of Pakistan, I have a two year work experience in OMFS . I want to apply for residency for a 6 year programme ...
TOEFL
NDBE 1 and 2 ( more than 90 percent score )
ECE evaluation

apart from these mentioned pre requisites what else is required...Thank YOU SOOO MUCH and what else is required when you have not done BDS from an accredited ADA dental school of US or Canada..???Thank you
 
odontoma said:
Any other thoughts about the original post?
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Washington Hospital Center
Emory has a 4 year option
Loyola
Vanderbilt's 4 year track
UC Fresno
Cincinnati
Memphis-although a bit too much trauma
 
Dr.Millisevert said:
Is Posnick involved in teaching at this program at all?
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Howard guys rotate for 5-6 mnths in his office/OR, I believe...pretty good, they work alongside the fellow
 
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Damn didn't realize this was more than a year old thread...someone bored ehh?
 
This past summer, I did a 2 week externship/preceptorship at the Hong Kong University OMFS post-graduate department (MDS/Advanced Diploma) which is a 3 ~ 5 year certificate program. The OMS residents over there get a lot of experiences and difficult cases,really busy environment and heavy workload but it seems like all the residents are very happy with what they are doing. Hope this helps.
 
tiw011 said:
This past summer, I did a 2 week externship/preceptorship at the Hong Kong University OMFS post-graduate department (MDS/Advanced Diploma) which is a 3 ~ 5 year certificate program. The OMS residents over there get a lot of experiences and difficult cases,really busy environment and heavy workload but it seems like all the residents are very happy with what they are doing. Hope this helps.
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It helps no one, on any level
 
Did a great externship at Ebola U in Swahethi Dipsh-t Hospital Center.

Lots of rectal mucosa grafts to intraoral defects following extirpation.

PM the hell out of me if interested.
 
VCU
Cincinnati
 
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