Good Hemepath training program ?

[byungwooy]

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I'm about to apply for hemepath fellowship for year 2011 and wanted to get people's opinion on which programs are strong and has good reputation. I know that some programs ask for two years but I only want to do one year of training and be board eligible in Hemepath.

 

[pathstudent]

I'm about to apply for hemepath fellowship for year 2011 and wanted to get people's opinion on which programs are strong and has good reputation. I know that some programs ask for two years but I only want to do one year of training and be board eligible in Hemepath.

I don't know much about hemepath but I do know where to train. IF you ate interested in lymphoma the best places are NIH jaffe, mgh Harris, Stanford warnkre or Pittsburgh swerdlow. If you are interested in marrow you should go to Stanford arber, NM foucar, or University of Chicago vardiman and anastazi. If you are interested in flow you should go to University of Washington Brent Wood. If you just want to be a general hematopathilgist in community practice, then it doesn't matter where you go to but stay away from those places because only academics should train with those people as they are the true experts in their fields and it would be a waste of an experience and a training spot for a general community practice hematopathologist who signs out a few bone marrows a day and a few lymph nodes a week to train with the vanguard of academic hematopathlogy like Jaffe or Vardiman.

 

[2121115]

Well, while I don't agree completely with pathstudents post he/she has a good point. Are you going into academics or private practice? The fact that you are looking for a one year fellowship means you are probably looking at community practice. If you are planning on academics then it is going to be important to train with someone who has a big name. Even if you are not planning on an academic career, though, you still need to go somewhere that you will see a ton of material and have access to a lot of the ancillary stuff too (molecular, cytogenetics, etc). Cleveland Clinic, Michigan, Duke, Wash U, Utah, MDA, Hopkins and many others also have outstanding hemepath training and would prepare you well no matter what career path you choose.

 

[Gene_]

You need to hurry up. Some programs out there have already selected who they are going to interview for their 2011-2012 positions.

 

[pcadvt]

Is it too late to apply now? Do programs send a second round of invitations?
How is the scene for other fellowships: surg path in particular?

 

[2121115]

Is it too late to apply now? Do programs send a second round of invitations?
How is the scene for other fellowships: surg path in particular?

Surgical pathology fellowships, in general, are less competitive and there is a good chance you can still find one. Although, depending on what program it is they also may have already filled by now. Try pathoutlines to see who has spots available.

 

[lipomas]

Sadly enough, we're closer to the timeline for fellowships for the 2011-12 academic year. Some of those are probably already filled.

 

[raspberry009]

Well, while I don't agree completely with pathstudents post he/she has a good point. Are you going into academics or private practice? The fact that you are looking for a one year fellowship means you are probably looking at community practice. If you are planning on academics then it is going to be important to train with someone who has a big name. Even if you are not planning on an academic career, though, you still need to go somewhere that you will see a ton of material and have access to a lot of the ancillary stuff too (molecular, cytogenetics, etc). Cleveland Clinic, Michigan, Duke, Wash U, Utah, MDA, Hopkins and many others also have outstanding hemepath training and would prepare you well no matter what career path you choose.

Why is it that everyone thinks of Cleveland Clinic before Mayo or Mayo even gets left off the list? (no one has to answer this question, its just an observation - I'm biased of course) We have a very strong heme path fellowship, however, it is 2 years.

 

[2121115]

Why is it that everyone thinks of Cleveland Clinic before Mayo or Mayo even gets left off the list? (no one has to answer this question, its just an observation - I'm biased of course) We have a very strong heme path fellowship, however, it is 2 years.

Hey, sorry man. I wasn't attempting to name every strong hemepath program. Just giving a list of the ones that I'm familiar with off the top of my head that have strong clinical training. People generally know hemepath at Cleveland Clinic because of Eric Hsi and his excellent book. Mayo is also a great program, however the 2 year thing might not be a popular idea with someone going into community practice.

 

[superkeith]

Why is it that everyone thinks of Cleveland Clinic before Mayo or Mayo even gets left off the list? (no one has to answer this question, its just an observation - I'm biased of course) We have a very strong heme path fellowship, however, it is 2 years.

when did mayo become exclusively a 2-year fellowship? btw i hear the lego elite choose to pursue residency training at the cleveland clinic and hematopathology fellowship training at mayo.

 

[yaah]

lego elite?

 

[Path2009]

There are only rumblings about making it a 2 year program with an emphasis on a research part. It is only a 1-year program.

And it is true that the lego elite reside at Mayo. Truly a marvel.

 

[LADoc00]

Hmm what is this magical Lego Elite you speak of?

Btw- you would have to be a total sucker to spend 2 years at fellow pay getting a hemepath credential. Is the 2nd year of training at $100,000+? If not, Mayo be finding many a fool.

 

[2121115]

Hmm what is this magical Lego Elite you speak of?

Btw- you would have to be a total sucker to spend 2 years at fellow pay getting a hemepath credential. Is the 2nd year of training at $100,000+? If not, Mayo be finding many a fool.

Not to mention, why do you need to do a 2nd year of fellowship to "do research". LOL. Do research as a faculty member.

 

[lipomas]

Lots of programs do that, as best as I can tell it's a way for:

1) You to increase your credentials so that you can get a better (academic) job when you finish. It is unlikely to help your credentials for a private job unless there is significant signout exposure, in which case you are wasting the year anyway.
2) Them to use you to sign out a few weeks during your research year or even better, to cover call.
3) Them to weed out people who are claiming they want to do academics but don't actually want to do academics and being forced to do a second year would make them pick a different program.
4) You to get a free year (albeit low paid) of trying to start up research without worrying too much about funding or publishing or whatever other academic pressure is involved.

The best scams in this two-year "fellowship" thing are in dermpath. There aren't many, but there are some. I suppose some people like doing the second year because they are not on their own and are still learning, so it is a chance to get comfortable signout out on your own with less pressure. But no matter when you start your first real job it is going to be a gut check.

I too am curious about this "Lego Elite." What does that mean? Is it a typo or did you actually mean Lego Elite? I used to be a pretty elite Lego builder when I was 12. Threw the directions away and built myself a space ship.

 

[malchik]

I am Lego Elite, although I am not at Mayo. Only "expert builder" sets with completely original engineering.

 

[Entgegen]

Is that the same sort of attitude toward neuropath, seeing as how it's usually 2 years? Or is neuropath itself just so complex that you really need 2 years worth of dedicated neuro training to become proficient? Or do neuropath programs tend groom their fellows more for academics and therefore have some sort of mandatory "research year" thrown in there?

 

[yaah]

Is that the same sort of attitude toward neuropath, seeing as how it's usually 2 years? Or is neuropath itself just so complex that you really need 2 years worth of dedicated neuro training to become proficient? Or do neuropath programs tend groom their fellows more for academics and therefore have some sort of mandatory "research year" thrown in there?

I think neuropath has always been a two-year fellowship, partly because of the research focus and I think in part because specimen volume is never that large and two years is almost necessary to get enough experience. The fact that almost all neuropath fellowship-trained individuals go into academics doesn't hurt.

There are also programs where you can match into a combined AP/NP residency/fellowship right out of med school, which cuts down the training by one year because it combines with your residency.