Good residency programs for REI prep

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.

OBGirlie

Full Member
10+ Year Member
5+ Year Member
15+ Year Member
Joined
Sep 19, 2007
Messages
163
Reaction score
0
I am interested in REI (though that could change, who knows), but would like to go to a program that would help me to become a competitive applicant for a REI fellowship.

Is academic the way to go or would I still have a change if I attended a blended community/academic program?

Can you name some institutions that place residents into REI or is there a site where I can find this information? I have visited the REI website, but didn't find much.

Thanks!
 
My wife is an IVF specialist, Eva Littman at nfcares.com

Her fellowship was a major pain in the ass. Besides that important fact, most REI fellowships are academically oriented. It is a 3 year program. One year of clinical and two years of research (serious research, not chart reviews or other junk).

If you went to a community program and did not do any basic science research, it will be hard to convince REI programs that you are interested in research. There are probably a few REI programs that are not so academically oriented, but most seem to be. The people there are academic. If they were not, they would be out in private practice making money, not trying to see how many different ways there are to get a sprague-dawley rat pregnant.

I would say to go to an academic program and do some research. At the same time, things are changing in REI, many fellows were not that happy with the job market this year. It is a small field and a little crowded. With the OB Laborist becoming more common, that may be a better way to go if you want a life, or do a MFM fellowship instead.
 
I think EVMS has a solid REI program, and they seem to take from within the ranks of the residency program
 
So are you thinking that there won't be a job market for IVF in the future? I certainly don't want to select a field that's unstable, kind of why I shyed away from anesthesia. . .
 
So are you thinking that there won't be a job market for IVF in the future? I certainly don't want to select a field that's unstable, kind of why I shyed away from anesthesia. . .

Those kind of predictions always make me shake my head. There is no way to predict what kind of "market" there will be for a certain specialty. Just do whatever you like and the rest will take care of itself. You will never be unemployed whatever you decide to do. Also IVF is not the only thing REI does remember they are supposed to be Endocrinologists not just IVF specialists.
 
Those kind of predictions always make me shake my head. There is no way to predict what kind of "market" there will be for a certain specialty. Just do whatever you like and the rest will take care of itself. You will never be unemployed whatever you decide to do. Also IVF is not the only thing REI does remember they are supposed to be Endocrinologists not just IVF specialists.

True true. Its so hard to know right now what I'll end up doing in ten years. I guess I''m just getting overwhelmed.
 
The field of REI is changing somewhat. There is some significant corporate consolidation happening, which is also happening in medicine in general. Take a look at Integramed.com They manage/own about 32 IVF centers across the country. There is also the Sher institutes...haveababy.com. They have about 10 or 11 centers across the country and will probably be opening more. Then, there is Fempartners, who manage about 7 centers. It used to be that an IVF doc finished their fellowship and opened their own clinic. The cost of opening a clinic has become somewhat prohibitive, mainly due to the fact that staff overhead and equipment costs have gone up significantly, while the cost of an IVF cycle has remained the same over the last 10 years, about $9000-$10,000. If you factor in inflation, it has actually gone down. That has created narrower profit margins and the need for better business practices, which most doctors don't have...hence companies like Integramed stepping in. It has decreased autonomy, but helped to somewhat maintain income.

Most of the people Eva knows are starting out around $200k, sometimes $175 with a small production bonus. The money is not what it used to be, nor is the autonomy. It is rather disappointing. Nonetheless, it is a rewarding field. Most people who work for Integramed make around $350 or so. You can make more if you own your own practice/lab, but that is extra time at work as well.

Nonetheless, the original question for the post was about programs to prepare for REI and I've met most of the last 3 years of IVF fellows at Stanford and numerous other programs, and only one went to a community program. It's an academic fellowship, despite the fact that most people go into private practice. In addition, none of the practices Eva interviewed at even mentioned treating pediatric/adult endocrine disorders, other than PCOS patients as part of their fertility workup. You might do that at an academic center, probably not in private practice.
 
I've heard that it's pretty important to do residency at a place that has an REI fellowship if you are deadset on REI. It is still somewhat of a "who you know" to get your foot in the door. With the REI's leaving the academic settings in droves (it pays so much more in private practice), it's going to be tougher to do. I've also been told that if you want to do it, get your research done early in your residency so that you've been published prior to applying. San Antonio has a fairly laid back REI fellowship - they all seemed pretty happy.
 
It is definitely a small group of people, only about 30 fellows per year. I asked my wife what she thought the best fellowship program. She said Vermont. This is because they do not get much competition from private groups. At Stanford, the attendings did a lot of the procedures because they were on production. If they let the fellows do everything, patients may not have come back and gone to one of the many groups in the Bay Area. Competition was pretty intense among the practices there.

At Vermont, there are very few, if any, private groups, so the fellow gets to do much more. The people at Stanford did not even let her do a single embryo transfer, because it was such a critical part of the process. It was sort of voodoo. Not that she is in practice for 2 years, she doesn't see what the big deal was, but it was frustrating to go thru a 3 year fellowship and not do a single embryo transfer. I thought it was completely ridiculous.

Nonetheless, it is nice to sleep in your bed every night. She is getting ready to open her own IVF practice, so I may start a blog on that. I have a couple interviews of IVF people on my site if you are interested. Look at the signature thing below.
 
Top