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Ok, I figured Texas people could help me with this. Recently we plan on moving to Texas from Jersey. Now.. my bro wants to apply to med school and be a doctor. First, however, he wants to get a science degree from a decent school in Texas. So what are good science schools in Texas (aside from the obvious Rice University)? How's UT-Houston? UT-Austing? etc..

i'd appreciate it if sumone helped me out.. its his god damn future on the line here.. :eek:
 

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dentwannabe said:
Ok, I figured Texas people could help me with this. Recently we plan on moving to Texas from Jersey. Now.. my bro wants to apply to med school and be a doctor. First, however, he wants to get a science degree from a decent school in Texas. So what are good science schools in Texas (aside from the obvious Rice University)? How's UT-Houston? UT-Austing? etc..

i'd appreciate it if sumone helped me out.. its his god damn future on the line here.. :eek:

I would say UT Austin's the best bet, although it doesn't really compare to Rice.
 

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I second Rice.

There's also Baylor, UT-Austin, and Texas A&M.

However, I think it really depends on what your brother wants to study. Some schools have better programs than others. Be warned though, like everything else in Texas, the state schools get pretty big.

Welcome, ya'll.
 

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UT Houston doesn't have an undergrad campus. In Houston your best bet is the University of Houston.

UT Austin of course rocks!

Texas A&M is an excellent school (and their undergraduate bio program is >>>>>> UT) with a low cost of living. I might have been happy there.
 

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I would say UT Austin's the best bet, although it doesn't really compare to Rice.
UT-Austin doesn't compare to Rice? :confused: It may not be ranked as high in the US News as an undergraduate campus due to its large class size, poor alumni donation rates and lower average (like all other public schools), but it sure beats the pants outta Rice when you look at the quality of its graduate programs. It's in the top 15 of just about every field of study, whereas Rice is not. In terms of quality of faculty and research and student group possibilities, UT-Austin beats the snot out of Rice. Plus, Rice is in Houston, where Austin is in, well, Austin. The nice thing about Rice is that you have 30 kids in your classes as opposed to 600, and that does make class a lot more interesting.
 

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Angelo State is a great option if you aren't into huge universities. Regional university, good scholarship program (Carr Scholarships), pretty inexpensive.

The biology department is top notch for giving you a solid foundation in biology. Chemistry and physics depts. are good, too, but I'm biased. ;)
 

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Texas A&M is a great school, but (as I think someone said earlier) the classes are HUGE. It would be very easy to get "lost" in the masses. However, for someone who is self-motivated and does a good job of getting involved, A&M is fantastic. The Office of Professional School Advising is great and does a very good job of preparing you for the application process and the interviews for any type of professional school.

but alas, I am also biased...
 

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I echo what others are saying, Rice is the obvious choice, UT Austin, Baylor, and A&M are all perfectly fine schools. It all depends what his grades/SAT are. There are some liberal arts colleges that aren't too bad (St. Edwards, etc) but they wouldn't be high on my list. I would say your brother should be able to get into Baylor with reasonable grades/SAT, and that is his best bet. If he has decent grades, I recommend UT. Of course, he should just apply to all of them and see what happens. Good Luck! Oh, and come on AJ, you know Rice whips UT, expecially when talking undergrad quality and medical school acceptance rates. Not to mention that we have an equally high overall faculty quality and great research opportunities, and we have the largest medical center in the world right accross the street! ;) :p
 
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dentwannabe said:
Ok, I figured Texas people could help me with this. Recently we plan on moving to Texas from Jersey. Now.. my bro wants to apply to med school and be a doctor. First, however, he wants to get a science degree from a decent school in Texas. So what are good science schools in Texas (aside from the obvious Rice University)? How's UT-Houston? UT-Austing? etc..

i'd appreciate it if sumone helped me out.. its his god damn future on the line here.. :eek:

I know Texas A&M has a great pre-med program--Biomedical Science (BIMS). The classes are big but the university is very close knit so you never feel like your in a big class. They also have a great pre-med adivsory team that works hard to get their students accepted. I graduated from the program at TAMU in '03 so I am partial. Other schools to consider would be UT Austin or Rice. Good luck in Texas-your going to love it here.
 

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dentwannabe said:
Ok, I figured Texas people could help me with this. Recently we plan on moving to Texas from Jersey. Now.. my bro wants to apply to med school and be a doctor. First, however, he wants to get a science degree from a decent school in Texas. So what are good science schools in Texas (aside from the obvious Rice University)? How's UT-Houston? UT-Austing? etc..

i'd appreciate it if sumone helped me out.. its his god damn future on the line here.. :eek:

The very best schools in Texas to prepare you for medical school are (in this order):

1. Baylor (highest medical school acceptance rate per applicant of all Texas schools; small classes; cheapest private school in Texas)

2. Rice (very challenging program; small classes)

3. Texas Tech (good pre-med program, but fairly large classes)

4. Texas (many opportunities, but huge classes)

5. Texas A&M (many opportunities, but huge classes)

I extensively researched this very question when I was applying to undergraduate schools, and I ended up going to Baylor. This is not only my opinion, but the consensus of many.
 

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OSUdoc08 said:
The very best schools in Texas to prepare you for medical school are (in this order):

1. Baylor (highest medical school acceptance rate per applicant of all Texas schools)

2. Rice (very challenging program)

3. Texas Tech

4. Texas

5. Texas A&M

I extensively researched this very question when I was applying to undergraduate schools, and I ended up going to Baylor. This is not only my opinion, but the consensus of many.
If you are into smaller lib arts schools, I would seriously consider Austin College up in Sherman. I know 2 people that went there for undergrad and then Baylor med. Excellent program, lots of flexibility, and just an all-around supportive atmosphere. Price tag is pretty low for a private school as well. I really think it is a hidden gem.
 

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i was waiting to hear Austin College. I am a senior here and its a great school for the health sciences. If you want more information I would e-mail our pre med advisor Dr. Pierce at [email protected] or you could always pm me. I am a senior here and will be going to Southwestern this next fall. Most of my friends also got into medical school. Best of luck in your college search
 

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UT-Austin doesn't compare to Rice? :confused: It may not be ranked as high in the US News as an undergraduate campus due to its large class size, poor alumni donation rates and lower average (like all other public schools), but it sure beats the pants outta Rice when you look at the quality of its graduate programs. It's in the top 15 of just about every field of study, whereas Rice is not. In terms of quality of faculty and research and student group possibilities, UT-Austin beats the snot out of Rice. Plus, Rice is in Houston, where Austin is in, well, Austin. The nice thing about Rice is that you have 30 kids in your classes as opposed to 600, and that does make class a lot more interesting.
Hey there, AJ watch it now...
You're right, Rice really doesn't have the best grad programs (except in Bioengineering and Nanotechology), but the OP was asking about undergraduate quality. I think either UT-Austin or Rice would be a good fit,, depending on what his brother is looking for.
Anyhow, if your brother is interested in applying to Rice I would recommend applying to the Rice/Baylor program. The catch is, he would have to apply early or interim decision, and NOT regular decision. In retrospect, I wish I had done this, but I was too lazy to get my application completed in time.
 

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Mahi said:
i was waiting to hear Austin College. I am a senior here and its a great school for the health sciences. If you want more information I would e-mail our pre med advisor Dr. Pierce at [email protected] or you could always pm me. I am a senior here and will be going to Southwestern this next fall. Most of my friends also got into medical school. Best of luck in your college search
Congrats, and great to hear that at least someone on this board agrees with my opinion that liberal arts schools can provide a wonderful pre-med experience, dare I say perhaps even surpassing that of a research uni.

To avoid pimping Austin College too hard (heck, I've only visited the place twice), I'll also throw Trinity and Southwestern into the mix as good choices.
 

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I think the acceptance rates into med school for an undergrad is (somewhat) irrelevant, like board pass rates for med schools. If you work hard you'll be ok, no matter where you go.
 

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The very best schools in Texas to prepare you for medical school are (in this order):

1. Baylor (highest medical school acceptance rate per applicant of all Texas schools; small classes; cheapest private school in Texas)

2. Rice (very challenging program; small classes)

3. Texas Tech (good pre-med program, but fairly large classes)

4. Texas (many opportunities, but huge classes)

5. Texas A&M (many opportunities, but huge classes)

I extensively researched this very question when I was applying to undergraduate schools, and I ended up going to Baylor. This is not only my opinion, but the consensus of many.

BAYLOR????? Maybe it has high acceptance rates to osteopathic schools and lower end public medical schools in Texas... but if his brother wants to get into a top medical program... Rice wins hands down.
 

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Read the thread title before posting. Best UNDERGRAD schools in Texas. Rice. Obviously.

ajnak182 said:
UT-Austin doesn't compare to Rice? :confused: It may not be ranked as high in the US News as an undergraduate campus due to its large class size, poor alumni donation rates and lower average (like all other public schools), but it sure beats the pants outta Rice when you look at the quality of its graduate programs. It's in the top 15 of just about every field of study, whereas Rice is not. In terms of quality of faculty and research and student group possibilities, UT-Austin beats the snot out of Rice. Plus, Rice is in Houston, where Austin is in, well, Austin. The nice thing about Rice is that you have 30 kids in your classes as opposed to 600, and that does make class a lot more interesting.
 

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Martel is a family. So hey...........You. =p

(I hate that cheer.)
This part must be new...I dont remember that.
 

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What time is it???
HAHAHA...haven't heard that since O-week


As far as the post regarding Baylor is concerned, the numbers might actually be correct. The acceptance rate is probably high simply because there are so few pre-meds (in comparison to Rice) and most of the students at Baylor are Texas residents, which give them the chance to apply to the TMDSAS. It's like hearing the statistics that the major that has the highest acceptance rate is Music. (true fact btw).
 

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UT-Austin hands down...Rice is highly overrated and quite expensive...you can pay out of state for UT-Austin and it'll still be cheaper than Rice. Plus the undergrad experience is exponentially better.

Do the right thing, come to Texas.
 

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A couple of overlooked schools that are strong but do not usually attract the typical pre-med are Texas Christian and Southern Methodist. Rice, UT-Austin and Texas A&M are the three Texas schools that usually attract pre-meds, (the latter two may be an artifact of the large enrollment), and all three are great schools.
 

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UT-Austin hands down...Rice is highly overrated and quite expensive...you can pay out of state for UT-Austin and it'll still be cheaper than Rice.
Eight years ago when I was applying to undergrad (Jesus, I'm old), Rice offered some of the best financial aid in the country, making it one of the cheapest private schools in the nation. Is this still true? At any rate, it is still usually cheaper to go to UT-Austin because the tuition is so well subsidized.
 

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UT-Austin hands down...Rice is highly overrated and quite expensive...you can pay out of state for UT-Austin and it'll still be cheaper than Rice. Plus the undergrad experience is exponentially better.

Do the right thing, come to Texas.
Rice is not expensive at all when compared to its peer institutions...it is really one of the best values around. Not to mention that they guarentee to cover 100% of financial need, so our financial aid blows UT out of the water. UT undergrad experience is good because it is in Austin (my hometown, and my favorite city), but having a school with 50,000 people can be a major downside. Our campus is very small and close knit. Rice is not overrated, don't be a hater :thumbdown:
 

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Angelo State is a great option if you aren't into huge universities. Regional university, good scholarship program (Carr Scholarships), pretty inexpensive.

The biology department is top notch for giving you a solid foundation in biology. Chemistry and physics depts. are good, too, but I'm biased. ;)
I second this.

Angelo State is small, challenging, respected, and very cheap.
 

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Read the thread title before posting. Best UNDERGRAD schools in Texas. Rice. Obviously.
Thanks for pointing that out to me, you're a real gem :rolleyes: Let me guess where you went for your undergrad... I tried to edit my post to make it more clear, but SDN was having a hissy fit. My point was that strength of graduate programs are a good indicator of the faculty and TAs teaching undergrads. Thus, good grad programs=strong faculty and good research possibilities. Ok, I will admit that I personally think that Rice has an edge on UT due to the caliber of students and the fact that you get your hand held through your four years while being taught by excellent faculty. However, I think that UT is a very strong school that is a lot more comparable to Rice than people on this thread give it credit for being.
 

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Tell that to the six Rice kids at Wash U c/o '08 or the four who are first years at Harvard this year. (not bad for a school that has 10-20 times fewer students than UT). When it comes to name recognition in undergrad schools, med school admissions committees won't bat an eyelash for UT-Austin. Rice definitely has a leg up in that regard.



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Rice is highly overrated.
 

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see my post above.

ajnak182 said:
Thanks for pointing that out to me, you're a real gem :rolleyes: Let me guess where you went for your undergrad... I tried to edit my post to make it more clear, but SDN was having a hissy fit. My point was that strength of graduate programs are a good indicator of the faculty and TAs teaching undergrads. Thus, good grad programs=strong faculty and good research possibilities. Ok, I will admit that I personally think that Rice has an edge on UT due to the caliber of students and the fact that you get your hand held through your four years while being taught by excellent faculty. However, I think that UT is a very strong school that is a lot more comparable to Rice than people on this thread give it credit for being.
 

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Eight years ago when I was applying to undergrad (Jesus, I'm old), Rice offered some of the best financial aid in the country, making it one of the cheapest private schools in the nation. Is this still true? At any rate, it is still usually cheaper to go to UT-Austin because the tuition is so well subsidized.
Definitely has some wonderful financial aid (scholarships and grants) -- I haven't paid a dime to come here and even if I had paid full price, I wouldn't regret it for a moment. Comparing Rice's program with some of my friends' pre-med education at UT-Austin, Rice clearly offers a more challenging, more personal, and more dynamic education than UT could ever have (due mainly to its size and the fact that it is a public university in a state that habitually underfunds its schools).
 

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I would say UT Austin's the best bet, although it doesn't really compare to Rice.
Ouch! You make UT Austin sound somehow inadequate. I am biased of course, but I think UT Austin is an excellent school. Somewhere where you can really stand out if you got the grades (read: not as much competition as at Rice - this is why I graduated top 3%). And I would like to clear up the myth of large classes. In O-Chem, Physics, G-Chem, you will be in a large auditorium-style class (300 maybe, NOT 600!). But does this really matter? Do you really want a professor calling on you during these classes? I don't. The majority of my other biology classes however had less than 80 students per class (1 had 16, 1 had 15). So in the classes that really matter, you do get individualized attention. Because UT Austin is so large you have a WIDE variety of classes to choose from, research opportunities in almost any field you can think of and prestigious faculty.

I don't know much about Rice except that there is a girl that I don't like who goes there. She has since adopted an elitist attitude.

I was also under the impression that Baylor was not a very diificult school. I'm not sure where I got this from so I very well may be wrong.

I don't like A&M because they're A&M. I think they're a good school though.

OP: If you have ANY questions about UT Austin (esp biology classes - I took 45 hours worth), PM me.
 

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I don't know much about Rice except that there is a girl that I don't like who goes there. She has since adopted an elitist attitude.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with Rice...it's just her attitude.

Anyhow, most of these arguments are silly. One can do well at ANY school in TX, given the appropriate motivation. Most will provide a solid foundation for med school..

To the OP: tell your brother to check out all the schools that the posters have suggested.
 

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I'm sure this has nothing to do with Rice...it's just her attitude.

Anyhow, most of these arguments are silly. One can do well at ANY school in TX, given the appropriate motivation. Most will provide a solid foundation for med school..

To the OP: tell your brother to check out all the schools that the posters have suggested.
I was being facetious.
 

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econo lodge...pubic lice
i guess wiess isn't referred by these names anymore since its destruction...
 

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I don't know much about Rice except that there is a girl that I don't like who goes there. She has since adopted an elitist attitude.

You should meet more people from Rice.
 

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i guess wiess isn't referred by these names anymore since its destruction...
Ha, it is by some! (esp. those who were around to see the old buildling.
 

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It doesn't matter, Hanszen still sucks! :smuggrin:
Shutup B!tch. Harry F'in Hanzen

I just rememebered the comeback...kinda sad..i guess it gets lost in all the shouting that goes on come beer bike or O-week
 

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If you're a Texas resident, good luck getting into Rice. I was a National Merit Scholar from the Houston area, and couldn't get accepted. They really really like out-of-state students - so your brother is in luck. Rice is an outstanding school in a really cool city. Hands down the best and most rigorous undergrad institution. There's also a huge endownment, so students actually pay very little after financial aid/scholarship packages.

Obviously, I'm a little biased, but Baylor provided me with a great education in the both sciences and liberal arts. A brand new $103 million science building opened in this fall; the faculty members are great; the classes are small. The largest class I had was about 120 people - and it was a freshmen level chem lab. The smallest class I had was three students, and classes overall probably averaged about 20. The campus is beautiful and the people are friendly.

Someone earlier said they got the impression that Baylor is not a difficult school - that may be because state schools in Texas, by law, must accept anyone that graduates in the top 10% of their high school class and UT and TAMU aren't able to take many more students than the 10%ers. So alot of people end up going to smaller state schools or private schools. That's fine - but I cannot count how many of my acquaintances at Baylor were NM Scholars, valedictorians, salutatorians, 10%ers, and other intelligent people. So I don't think that assessment holds water. ;-) Honestly, I think it is easier to get into Baylor than some of the state schools, but I also think it's alot harder to stay there.

*sales pitch over*

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I have no doubt that Baylor gives a decent education, though I'd be a little hesitant to head to a place like Waco and go to a school that so readily discriminates against gay and lesbian students. The heavy Baptist influence at the school is a major, major turn off in terms of both academic freedom and diversity.



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If you're a Texas resident, good luck getting into Rice. I was a National Merit Scholar from the Houston area, and couldn't get accepted. They really really like out-of-state students - so your brother is in luck. Rice is an outstanding school in a really cool city. Hands down the best and most rigorous undergrad institution. There's also a huge endownment, so students actually pay very little after financial aid/scholarship packages.

Obviously, I'm a little biased, but Baylor provided me with a great education in the both sciences and liberal arts. A brand new $103 million science building opened in this fall; the faculty members are great; the classes are small. The largest class I had was about 120 people - and it was a freshmen level chem lab. The smallest class I had was three students, and classes overall probably averaged about 20. The campus is beautiful and the people are friendly.

Someone earlier said they got the impression that Baylor is not a difficult school - that may be because state schools in Texas, by law, must accept anyone that graduates in the top 10% of their high school class and UT and TAMU aren't able to take many more students than the 10%ers. So alot of people end up going to smaller state schools or private schools. That's fine - but I cannot count how many of my acquaintances at Baylor were NM Scholars, valedictorians, salutatorians, 10%ers, and other intelligent people. So I don't think that assessment holds water. ;-) Honestly, I think it is easier to get into Baylor than some of the state schools, but I also think it's alot harder to stay there.

*sales pitch over*

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If you're a Texas resident, good luck getting into Rice. I was a National Merit Scholar from the Houston area, and couldn't get accepted. They really really like out-of-state students - so your brother is in luck.
I don't think your assessment is correct as Rice is partial to TX residents. When I was a student, 50% of each incoming class was from TX.
 

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unless your'e not gay

(like most of us)

yeah, most non-bigots probably wouldn't be too excited to go to a homophobic school.


As for you, you should probably stay up there at your osteopathic school in Oklahoma :)