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  1. bossman1818

    bossman1818 Junior Member

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    Well, I'm breathin easier and harder at the same time...

    Just got my acceptance letter from UCD (University College Dublin), however, I'm excited and scared at the same time. For one, I'm Canadian, so I'm really worried about landing a residency in the States right now (Canada is off limits, I know!). Thinking about general surgery right now, but who knows right. Anyways, has anyone had any experience with this. Whats the word on UCD. (I was trying to decide between TCD and UCD, any advice, if TCD acceptance comes). Oh, by the way, I have one week to decide.
     
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  3. leorl

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    YAYAYAYYYYYAYA!!! CONGRATS!!!! UCD is a fine school, fun people. There's a lot of ribbing between UCD and TCD students but both have a lot of friends in the other school and the rivalry is friendly. I can't really say much because my experience wasn't with UCD, but with Trinity...but also because there isn't that much of a difference in terms of proficiency and quality of education.

    On the other hand, Trinity might be a better bet. It has a greater reputation in general because of the famous people who have graduated from there (Yeats, Beckett) and the famous people who visit there. Thus, it enjoys a very well-respected name worldwide. UCD's science isn't all that well known...it's better for things like economics and business. However, Trinity has a really strong science base. While I'm sure UCD is similar, it's not as known. Also, for regular students there, it takes more points on their leaving cert to place in to science/medicine at TCD than UCD, which could kind of be synonymous to SAT ranking and acceptance based on SAT scores (except theirs are subject and not aptitude based).

    They only give you a week? That blows. See if you can extend that some how?
     
  4. dbiddy

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    General Surgery is wide open right now. You should have no problems at all if you get decent board scores and grades in med school.

    Good luck.
     
  5. roo

    roo Voice From The Wilderness

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    Some extra bits:

    isn't that much of a difference in terms of proficiency and quality of education.

    Nor can or will there be. All Irish medical schools are responsible to the Irish government for quality of training. The same specific external examiners go through all the medical schools in the country to make sure all students are at the same level for pass/fail and honours.

    On the other hand, Trinity might be a better bet. It has a greater reputation in general because of the famous people who have graduated from there (Yeats, Beckett)

    Trinity is the best for literature and classics, and especially because of the author alumni. This isn't really of much help in medicine, though does help that some doctors like to engage in the study of the fine arts to show their worldliness (and it can get pretty thick for some of them laying it on, especially in the Dublin hospitals).

    UCD's science isn't all that well known...it's better for things like economics and business. However, Trinity has a really strong science base. While I'm sure UCD is similar, it's not as known.

    I disagree with you there. For the past 30 years UCD has been the science, IT, and business powerhouse for Ireland. The biggest investments in new centers continue to go to UCD. RCSI and Trinity will be working out of UCD in the newest science center of excellence announced this month (this makes sense anyways, RCSI and Trinity don't have any more physical property downtown). I don't know why that UCD got its bigger share of the investments/funding to grow faster than the others, my best guess is that it is due to the fact that UCD is the Catholic university for Dublin in a 95% Catholic country during the last 50 years, and the Catholic school is where the public wanted to put their money--giving it the largest and more complete of the high-tech services. RCSI was always a private school, depending on only a minority of Irish, and taking the rest from oil state countries, so had its funding from there and its alumni. For UCD/Trinity funding nowadays, catholic/protestant doesn't matter much at all in the allocation of resources, but over the last century, UCD ended up the better in the regards of what kinds of facilities and programs they can put on.

    I would agree however, that more famous people come to Trinity (or rather, are paid for their appearance, usu. around 50-100,000 E a pop). Gorby was there last month. I had exams or would have gone in to hear him present.

    Also, for regular students there, it takes more points on their leaving cert to place in to science/medicine at TCD than UCD, which could kind of be synonymous to SAT ranking and acceptance based on SAT scores (except theirs are subject and not aptitude based).

    Trinity in the years that I checked edged out UCD by about 5 points on the leaving cert. However, this is quite a misleading statistic to consider on its own, since the class sizes are so different: Trinity has been hovering around 70 Irish and UCD takes about 125 Irish. The top 70 of UCD are more likely to be higher than the top 70 of Trinity in points, overall, but UCD has more spots so they can continue to keep going on the list. RCSI usually ranks third place in points needed, but this is again a misleading stat to quote against RCSI, since (a) the number one selection criteria for medstudents now is how close is the school or hospital to home (so they don't have to pay a Dublin rent of about 10000E/yr for an apt to get their entitled free education) and (b) medical school in Dublin is more common among the upper class (unfortunate, but true--even though the cert is fair, kids in lower s/e classes need to work, there is no correction factor for that like there is in the UK), and (c) most of the upper class doesn't live by RCSI, they are out in D4 or D8.

    Something that may help answer the original question:
    There is a single Canadian in the graduating class of UCD this year. She signed her residency deal privately before the match started, (a USA hospital), so she can just concentrate on her studies for final year instead of doing the interviews/applications/letters/stress. To do that approach, one does an elective at the place (in the summer before final year) where one wants to work and this works both ways: they can see if you are good, and you can see if you would like to be there for another 3-4 years to train. (As an aside, notice the inherent bias possible by presenting incomplete data to sway an argument: one could either say "100% of all Canadians at UCD matched, and did so ahead of time without even having to go through the match" or "It is pretty rough, out of all the Canadians at UCD only one of them managed to successfully sign outside the match.") But I digress, I have studied too much public health / bias in research during the last few weeks.

    That said, the original poster should go to Dublin and decide firsthand whether Dublin would be a place that would fit well for the next half-decade, and if so what school fits the desired learning environment best. Flights into Dublin are cheap from now until the St. Patrick's day rush, when they will start to cost more.

    By the way, there is a band of young people quite gifted with the violin, that play often on Grafton street nowadays. They look like this, only happier:
    <img border="0" alt="[Pity]" title="" src="graemlins/pity.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Pity]" title="" src="graemlins/pity.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Pity]" title="" src="graemlins/pity.gif" />
    Worth a listen if you come by.

    Best wishes,
    roo
     
  6. cp00739

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    hey..i'm a canadian interested in studying in ireland as well....how hard is it to go to the states and obtain residency after getting your md from ireland???? i've heard that if u do your electives in the states you have a good chance at residency in the states....does anyone have any information about the track record of canadians studying in ireland and their chances of obtaining residency in the states..

    another question to any north americans attending ireland...what are your stats like???..i'm reallly interested but have no idea how my numbers stack up...maybe if some of u could post your stats it would really help

    thanks
     
  7. omniatlas

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    I found this while surfing the net...it might help answer your questions:

    <a href="http://www.geocities.com/grahammcmahon/matching.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/grahammcmahon/matching.html</a>

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by cp00739:
    <strong>hey..i'm a canadian interested in studying in ireland as well....how hard is it to go to the states and obtain residency after getting your md from ireland???? i've heard that if u do your electives in the states you have a good chance at residency in the states....does anyone have any information about the track record of canadians studying in ireland and their chances of obtaining residency in the states..

    another question to any north americans attending ireland...what are your stats like???..i'm reallly interested but have no idea how my numbers stack up...maybe if some of u could post your stats it would really help

    thanks</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
     
  8. jimjones

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    Bossman: Wow that's early, didn't expect anyone to hear 'till April! Congrats. how did you hear, was in snail mail, email, call or what? Has anyone else been accepted yet??
     
  9. leorl

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    roo, thanks for the insight on UCD. You know, I actually think I know that sole Canadian graduating from RCSI. She should be a final year this year. (I don't like her much :) but that's besides the point).
     
  10. bossman1818

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    Hello jimjones, everyone....

    I actually recieved a package from Atlantic bridge that had all the needed information (so I guess thats through snail mail). Yes, I was surprised to hear from them so early, hense my conflict. You see, I was trying to decide between TCD and UCD, if accepted to both. However, I have to acknowledge whether I will accept the offered place or not by March 1, therefore, I will not no whether I will even be accepted to TCD or RCSI for that matter. Right now I am really considering taking the place, it seems that it is an excellent school with good facilities. My main concern with UCD was whether or not it would not be as accepted in the States come residency time. (I'm a Canadian, so everything helps, including reputation). However, from these posts and speaking with others, it seems that UCD does have a good reputation as well!
     
  11. bossman1818

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    Hello

    Should have listed my stats:

    High school average: 93% (they looked at these because I didn't have a degree)
    GPA: 3.65 - as well, have extensive volunteer experience including two medical missions trips, as well, had good rec's.

    Good luck to all those applying or thinking of applying.
     

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